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#1 Jul 06 2011 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
If a certain items says Cooking (29), Woodworking (9) does it actually mean I need to have woodworking up to level 9 to be able to craft it? Today's GP item is:

Cooking (29), Woodworking (9)

Yield: Smoked Salmon x4
Fire Crystal

* 1 x Cheval Salmon
* 1 x Rock Salt
* 1 x Walnut Log

and I don't want to break a bunch just to find out I can't do it because I haven't leveled WW any yet.

Much appreciated!
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#2 Jul 06 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Kind of, it works in the same way as your main craft.

You can still synth the item if you are a little bit below the sub craft cap (And can even get skill ups for it), but like your main craft, the further from the cap you are the harder the synth becomes, until it becomes impossible to synth.
#3 Jul 06 2011 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
Sweet, thanks! Guess I will start leveling up WW a little tonight them while fishing for salmon! Smiley: lol
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#4 Jul 06 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
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You can attempt a synth 10 levels below cap, but expect a lot of breaks. At 5 levels below cap, you can at least skill up on your breaks. CourierBarry is right that this applies to each part of the overall crafting requirement. For your item, which is Cooking (29), Woodworking (9), you can start synthing it at Cooking 19 and Woodworking 0, but you'd be seeing lots of broken salmon, salt, and log bits piling up at your feet. By Cooking 24, Woodworking 4, you'd be breaking a decent bit but getting some skillups for it... and yes, the answer to the next question is that you can skill up all involved subcrafts with one synth. I believe I managed to get a skillup in all three crafts on thief's tools once, which was quite nice. :)

If you have questions about the right range to attempt skillups in, and how to achieve them, let me know.

Good luck!
#5 Jul 07 2011 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
I'm actually level 76 cooking, so I wasn't worried about the cooking skill part, but 0 woodworking. I used one of the wiki guides for leveling up woodworking to level 7, then crafted my salmon and made it to level 8 woodworking by the time I was done with my GPs for the day! It was quite a pleasant surprise!!
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#6 Jul 07 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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The term "subcraft" is a really bad one in my opinion. Just the use of that word seems to suggest there is something special about the required skills that are not the highest. After all, all crafting rules must be satisfied for every skilled involved in a recipe. Even your HQ tiers must be satisfied for all required skills.

What I really wanted to mention though is break rates on recipes requiring multiple skills. Typically, you will have a higher failure rate on those. This is though to be due to both skills requiring checks.

You can attempt a synth 10 levels below cap
Actually, it's 15 levels. This is useful for skilling up by forcing breaks.

Edited, Jul 7th 2011 12:05pm by xypin
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#7 Jul 07 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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I've never actually attempted a synth that's 15 levels above my currant level before (but have done it within 10 levels) but most tend to stick within 5 levels of cap unless there isn't anything that's cheap or easy to get mats for.

As Delsinax said a few posts ahead of me, you get skill ups even on breaks if you do keep within 5 levels of your skill.
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