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#1 Mar 16 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hello!
I've spent the last two days getting in to levelling synergy skill and I am quite suprised how much fun it really is.

The one thing I have noticed about it is that it seems rather expensive when put next to other crafts.
The gil I've spent from lvl 1-7 so far has cost me 100k.
(Although I did blow a lot of fewell in the first hour of trying synergy because I didn't understand what I was doing.)

Is it me or should the price of fewell be sold cheaper then it is atm?
Other crafts tend to start off pretty cheap and then move on to more expensive stuff.

Also I would like some info on "Smocks" which are the HQ versions of the currant guild aprons.
I am looking to find some people who have actually made one because I would like to upgrade my fisherman's apron to a fisherman's smock.
Also how many people were needed to help in creating one!

Thanks in advance!




Edited, Mar 16th 2010 7:29pm by Janeash
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#2 Mar 17 2010 at 3:28 AM Rating: Good
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You can buy Fewell from the AH, considerable cheaper then what the NPC sells/'recharges' it for.

A route a lot of people took was to trade your Apron then just spam feed Wind Fewell, this will take you to lv~42. Dont worry about it blowing up because you cant lose your Apron. Wind is used because all is does is 'Knock-Back' feeding it other elements can do annoying things (Such as Paralyze from Ice.)

When you get to Level ~35 you could probably be able to make the Smock solo, by the time you cap (42ish for most Aprons) it will be easy to make Solo. Like I said though, just spam Wind (and fail the Synergy) though, until you reach the cap for the Smock. Cheapest way to level.
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#3 Mar 17 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
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I made a party yesterday at Port Jeuno of people I knew who were gathering for Limbus and we attempted to make this smock.

One guy who was in party had lvl 40 synergy skill and at first he said he would give it a try.
Even he had a really hard time keeping up with it feeding the correct fewell and operating the repair menu before we ran out of time and the furnace exploded.

I guess it's because it's the person who's item is being upgraded needs to have the skill too?
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#4 Mar 17 2010 at 9:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Janeash wrote:
I made a party yesterday at Port Jeuno of people I knew who were gathering for Limbus and we attempted to make this smock.

One guy who was in party had lvl 40 synergy skill and at first he said he would give it a try.
Even he had a really hard time keeping up with it feeding the correct fewell and operating the repair menu before we ran out of time and the furnace exploded.

I guess it's because it's the person who's item is being upgraded needs to have the skill too?
That guy just fails at synergy. I've made many smock's and upgraded/slotted ebon gear for people with absolutely no synergy skill, so I'm certain it nothing to do with the person that starts the synergy process.

The person operating the furnace though must have the skill. If I made a party with someone having level 0 synergy and he tried adding fewell, he would quickly allow the process to fail because using a furnace with low skill = bad.

As far as making items solo, I find that once you're within 5 levels of the cap, you'll reach the +5% impurity ratio per fewell feed, and then making an item is really no more difficult than being 40 levels above.

Tips: Ignore Pressure, it's a useless furnace stat, and keep impurity ratio below 30%. Watch for explosions, thwacking does work. Other than that, feed, feed, feed!

Edited, Mar 17th 2010 10:10pm by xypin
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#5 Mar 17 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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If he had anyone else 'Helping' that had low Synergy skill, that probably hurt his chances a lot. If he was just doing it by himself, then he might be doing something wrong.

Initial trader doesn't do anything, aside from provide all the fewell used and claiming the final product.
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#6 Mar 18 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Excellent
Janeash wrote:
Is it me or should the price of fewell be sold cheaper then it is atm?

I hope you didn't buy the fewell from the synergy master... those guys should be shot for overpricing the stuff they sell Smiley: sly

As already stated, you can try to buy the fewell from AH, but (at least on my server) it is in very low offer and usually overpriced as well.

The best and cheapest way is to level alchemy to 35+ and make it yourself. Buy the oil from Nogga in Bastok, buy the slime oil from AH (or farm it yourself in Korrolloka Tunnel) and buy the colored rocks from the guild vendor in Mhaura (usually has a stock selling at 1-2K a rock). Even at low Alchemy skill, creating only NQ synths, you get 3 fewell orbs for around 2-3K. That's 150 fewell to burn. If you have high Alchemy skill (or now a friend that has, willing to craft you some orbs), you can easily HQ and obtain 12 orbs per synth, which makes the price of fewell really dirt cheap.

Janeash wrote:
The one thing I have noticed about it is that it seems rather expensive when put next to other crafts. The gil I've spent from lvl 1-7 so far has cost me 100k.

Personally, I find Synergy very cheap to level, compared to other crafts, and by the looks of it, it will stay cheap from the very first levels all the way up to the higher levels. The trick is to 'fail craft', i.e. deliberately failing your synergy attempts. In this way, you only lose your fewell, all base ingredients are recovered and can be used over and over again.

You can make it even more interesting by combining the fail crafting with etching. My favorite recipe is the Behemoth knife. Just buy a Behemoth knife from AH (or any other augmentable weapon), buy a Mordant and an Revertant from the Synergy master and start etching. Even if you fail the synth, you can still get skill ups, without losing the base ingredients. If you succeed you will get an etched knife and an amount of cinders (which you will need eventually if you want to use synergy anyway). Just use the etched knife with the Revertant and succeed the synth, and you obtain an original knife and more cinder. Rinse and repeat for skill up and cinders. This way you can cheaply build up a cinder supply (up to 10K I believe) and skill up at the same time, just at the cost of the fewell.
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#7 Mar 18 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Equivocator wrote:
If he had anyone else 'Helping' that had low Synergy skill, that probably hurt his chances a lot.


No kidding... I had someone with 0 skill help me on an ebur synth... we hit 99% impurity after 2 feeds both :)

Each feeding apparently increases impurity with MAX(cap-skill,5), which means that someone with 0 skill is adding 50 impurity, while someone with 50 skill adds 5.
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#8 Mar 18 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I did buy fewell from the Synergy Engineer because there was none on AH (on valefor anyway) and at the time I wasn't confident that I could HQ enough to make it cheaper then the NPC could sell it for..

Anyway I managed to craft some wind fewell with my lvl 60 alchemy sub and got the odd HQ here and there.
I've been spamming "feed fewell" for a few hours and it's getting rather dull etching my behemoth knife over and over.

My skill ups are averaging around 1 level an hour and grinding slowly to lvl 20.
Is it me or does this seem incredibly slow next to other crafts of the same lvl?


Trading cinders for mordent 75 and Revertant is so annoying since you can do a single trade each time.
I got capped cinders... why can't I just trade a my cinders for a whole stack??

I spent 10 mins standing there getting a stack of each which there's no need at all.

Janeash :/fume synergy engineer!
Synergy Engineer: Yes can I help you?
Janeash: I WANT A STACK OF REVERTANT AND A STACK OF MORDENT 75 PLEASE!
Synergy Engineer: You can have a single, is this what you want?
Janeash: OH FOR GOD SAKE!!!!! GIMME THE WHOLE STACK, I GOT 10,000 cinders!
Synergy Engineer: You can have a single, is this what you want?
Janeash: AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Synergy Engineer: You can have a single, is this what you want?
Janeash: GIVE... ME... A.. STACKKKKKKK NOWWWWWWWWWWWW
Synergy Engineer: You can have a single, is this what you want?
Janeash: NOooooooooooooooooooo! I want a stack of each..
Synergy Engineer: You can have a single, is this what you want?
Janeash: BRB, I am off to fetch a gun of some description ;)

**WARNING! Your claim over the synergy furnace will be nullified if you venture further away!!**

(Your claim over the synergy furnace has been relinquished)

/sigh





Thanks for the advice so far, it's really appreciated :)




Edited, Mar 18th 2010 4:04pm by Janeash

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 7:37am by Janeash
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#9 Mar 19 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
Janeash wrote:
Trading cinders for mordent 75 and Revertant is so annoying since you can do a single trade each time... why can't I just trade a my cinders for a whole stack??

I agree. This is kinda silly and frustrating. However, I assume this is because SE never intended the etching method to be used to easily skill up in synergy. And as you know, if SE didn't intend it to be used this way... it's not going to happen Smiley: sly


Janeash wrote:
My skill ups are averaging around 1 level an hour and grinding slowly to lvl 20.
Is it me or does this seem incredibly slow next to other crafts of the same lvl?

It's not just you. I have a similar feeling. I guess SE ninja nerfed the skill up rate from etching. The guide I got the information from to 'powerlevel synergy' using the Behemoth knife method, mentioned something about .9 skill ups per synth. So far I'm already happy if I get a level out of every two fewell orbs. It really is slow (unless I'm doing something totally wrong).
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#10 Mar 19 2010 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm I spent a couple hours on my first ty at Synergy, I'm doing the mythril nugget approach to go from 1-50 or so, and so far 5 levels up, to me isn't too bad, I have not even used up a full stack of earth fewell, I've spent about 60k(approx) on materials, and at this rate I should see lvl 20(I hope) before needing more fewell.

With my play schedule I plan on doing a lvl here or there when I get a chance, and truth be told, it is fun, I like trying to prevent the overload(not that I do it very often) oh well, looking forward to adding synergy to my 100 woodworkin ^-^.
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#11 Mar 19 2010 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
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I can sometimes get 0.3 or 0.4 per synth but never 0.9!
Even when I was making orange juice, I could never get an entire level from a single synth.
As for the wiki guide using behemoth knife etching, I'm pretty sure we have been using the same one.

I just got so tired of purchasing singles of Mordent and Revertant that I don't even bother to hit the "End Synergy" option anymore.

All I do is to spam my wind fewell in to the furnace between getting knocked back a few times from overloading.
I do nothing else, not even repair the furnace.
Just buy a single Mordant 75 and purposely fail the synth and reuse the same one over and over.

I have tried to skill up using the fail method on my fisherman's apron but I don't seem to get many skill ups while spamming wind fewell on it.
I'm not sure why but maybe this is because the wrong type of fewell is being used on the synth?

The elemental ballance for a fisherman's smock is ice 34 and water 83.
I am wondering if you can only gain skill if your spamming matching fewell to the item.
The only time I seemed to be getting skill ups while spamming wind fewell on my apron was when I was actually repairing the furnace to prevent it from leaking.

Also I managed to reach lvl 20 synergy skill yesterday and I received some extra training from the synergy engineer to upgrade my "Feed Fewell" to lvl 4.
The wiki guide suggests I should upgrade that five times but I'm not totally sure what that does.
Can anybody enlighten me? :)



Edited, Mar 19th 2010 7:34am by Janeash
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#12 Mar 19 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I leveled synergy to 50 right away and I can say that SE never nerfed the skill up rate for synergy. This guy that got 0.9 per synth is full of it. I've never been that lucky and I was working with 20+ level gaps (maybe a 50 level gap is just that much more skill-up prone?).

Also, while the time difference isn't that significant, clicking "end synergy" will allow you to start the next synth sooner than if you just let the furnace explode on its own.


When learning skills, I suggest maxing the ability to lower the impurity ratio. I find that's the most important skill since it prevents explosions and saves fewell.

Whatever skills you learn though, do not choose the one to lower the pressure level, it's completely pointless. Ok, not completely... but I'd rather PREVENT an explosion than just reduce the damage.

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:56pm by xypin
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#13 Mar 20 2010 at 12:37 AM Rating: Good
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Best I managed in a single synth was like 0.6, but overall I'd say I averaged maybe 5 skills an hour on the way to 50.

Not gonna lie, I don't have a solid grasp on the system just yet. Part of it involves a lack of real incentive to synth much with it right now. I've already bought some gold and plat leaves in anticipation of them being skill synths as well as having a bunch of earth fewell tucked away on a mule, too.

I pretty much see it as SE's "future" for synthing paired with possible magian enhancements, but I'm still kinda sad it doesn't rule out mule exploitation of markets.
#14 Mar 20 2010 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm I got a whole 15 levels yesterday purposely failing etching on my behemoth knife.
So after hitting lvl 35, I've had zero skill from using this method.
The good news is I managed to squeeze another level out of trying to complete my smock!
Why am I getting no more skill ups from etching? :(
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