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#1 Mar 16 2010 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to be getting into fishing soon and was hoping someone could direct me to a few good resources.

Alot of the links in the stickies are old and outdated. I'm not sure how to describe what kind of links I'm looking for, except to say that I need a resource that will give me fish levels, areas, etc where to go to fish at certain levels.

Are there any current guides post WoTG for fishing skill, leveling while fishing for Lu Shang, profit fishing, etc.?
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#2 Mar 16 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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Most people will say the usual stuff:

0-56 fish moat carp and gold carp to level skill.
NPC the gold carp which caps at lvl 56 and trade in your moat carp to get your lu shangs.

I could go on all day but the link I've posted below pretty much gives you all the info you could ever need.
(Even tells you if the fish your targeting will break the rod your using or cause line snaps.)

Anyway enjoy

http://www.finalfishing.info/ShowAllFish.aspx
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#3 Mar 16 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I like that one. Thank you!

It has been a long time since I have picked up a fishing pole, but is there certain fish that NPC for decent gil? Don't mean to give away any secrets just have read that some people target fish to sell to NPCs?
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#4 Mar 16 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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lol no worries, I always like to help out fellow fishermen!

The thing is about using NPC's to sell fish as a means of making income is that it's instant gil and totally by-passes AH so no worry about other people undercutting you!
(So it's a great way to make gil while you may already have all your AH slots filled up with other stuff.)

Targeting junk fish in towns can be an advantage since you will never catch a monster as they don't bite on your line there.

A lot of high lvl fishermen go to places like Nashmau and target Pterygotus (lvl 99 large fish), Ahtapot ( lvl 90 large fish ~ eastern cousin of the gimmonite), Mercanbaligi (eastern cousin of the bastore bream), Istiridye (lvl 53 ~ eastern cousin of the shall shell) and Istakoz(lvl 46 ~ eastern version of the gold lobster.)

You will find that these fish can be used in the same cooking recipes as their western rivals but people know too little about them and do not buy them from AH.
They are also no more difficult to reel in as they are the same level as their counter parts.

Also if that previous site doesn't help you enough, type in any fish name in to wiki and it gives you fishing maps too.
Example for Nashmau:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Nashmau
(I still do go back there and make gil when I am really broke. My HP is currantly set there!)

Some other fishermen may also target fish off the docklands of whitegate to target junk fish for skill. (The highest skill level there you can obtain is 48 and you will be probably fishing up jellyfish and cone colamary ~ eastern versions of course.)

I don't think this will make much money for you and my skill was way beyond this area when ToA came out.




When you start off fishing, there's always a tricky dilema of what your going to do with the moat carps.

1) Sell to AH and make some gil there and then.
2) Trade every last carp to the Lu shangs NPC's in port sandy.
3) Find some other way of making gil and buy all the carps you can!
4) Use a mixture of 3 and 4 to get your Lu Shangs.

That more or less depends on you really.
If your serious about getting high lvl fishing, do not sell any of your moat carps and also if you are able to get lucky on some BCNMs to make more gil from there, buy more carps to get the quest completed sooner.

It is possible to get to 100 without a Lu Shangs but it's a lot harder because it will seriously limit your ability to target specific fish.

If your wondering why Lu Shangs is so good, it's because you can carry around just one fishing rod and it targets pretty much everything, everywhere.

Otherwise you will have to deal with agonising line snaps, loss of lures and rod breaks.
Just trying to reel in nebs at sea serpants grotto is a pain while using a halcyon fishing rod and a shrimp lure because it targets bastore breams which can snap your rod and lose your lure.

Hmm sorry about the wall-of-text but I love talking about fishing.
I've only recently hit 100 a few weeks ago and I realized it had been 5 years ago since I unlocked my Lu Shangs so it was quite a feat for me to finish it off.





Edited, Mar 19th 2010 2:34pm by Janeash
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Ebisu Fishing Rod Obtained: Sunday 8th August 2010
#5 Mar 16 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I visit FF wiki alot. I never knew they had fishing maps!

That was a wealth of info, thank you! So, in your expert opinion, what level, technically, could one start fishing in Nashmau?
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#6 Mar 17 2010 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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My pleasure :)

Hmmm first off, I would quest your Lu shangs because I wouldn't go anywhere without it.

Once you got that, you could pretty much set off there right away but the problem is with lower fishing skill is the the fish will be that much harder to reel in.

This is why people suggest you target fish that are a little closer to your level but this doesn't mean you cannot catch them or gain skill from them. ;)

As your skill builds you will find that you won't have to wear down your targets HP to zero completely and hit your enter key to reel in your catch.
(It can have like 5% HP left or so.)

Don't ever try this when the fish you are catching is much higher then your currant skill because it will cause you to lose your lure or bait.

Also if your interested in gaining skill at a faster rate but not yet high enough to quest some fishing rings, try going to an area that has multiple fish in a body of water that can be caught by the same bait which is higher then your currant skill.

Bastok markets:
Insect paste (bait)
Fishing spot ~ The moat outside the Goldsmithing guild.
Fish that can be caught here: Moat carp, tricolored carp and gold carp.
Moat carp cap: lvl 11
Tricolored carp cap: 27
Gold carp cap: 56 (They fight like **** when you first get a catch with low skill.)

I think if you use little worms, they will also target crayfish on top of the list I have typed out above.
They tend to cap around 7 so if you have no skill at all, you now have 4 different types of fish that can give you a chance to gain skill ups from.
Obviously the higher you go, the less fish you will gain skill ups from as you go past their caps.

Northern Sandy:
Insect paste (bait)
Fishing spot ~ The moat outside the Woodworking Guild.
Fish that can be caught here: Moat carp, tricolored carp and gold carp.
Moat carp cap: lvl 11
Tricolored carp cap: 27
Gold carp cap: 56

Windy waters/Windy woods: (anywhere on the map)
Insect paste (bait)
Moat carp cap: lvl 11
Gold carp cap: 56

Again if you use little worm, it should target crayfish too.
Using insect paste, removes the chance of crayfish tugging at your line if you really don't want to catch them.

Alternatively if your skill goes beyond these fish and don't want to move far from town, you can also try your hand at fishing for bastore breams outside the fisherman's guild in Port Windy.
(The problem is that your only targetting one fish for skill so it's going to be dull.)

I know I've said this before but Halcyon rods will target this fish and can reel breams in but they can (and will) break your rod occasionally so you got two choices here.
Have your lu shangs to hand or have the ability to repair your broken rod using lvl 72 alchemy skill.
Although most people do not have this and if your going to be a serious fisherman, you would be more likely to go for Woodworking skill later on if you wish to quest your ebisu fishing rod.

Also a lot of people do tend to say that sea serpant's grotto is a great place to fish and I do agree!
Some people come here to target Nebs, Grimmonites and Bastore Breams.
Low level fisherman can easily catch nebs here too but beware of the !!! because you can catch monsters here.
They are often too weak to a level 75 character but some are easy prey and the pugal mobs you fish up can hit pretty hard.
My whm has been killed by it a few times and I've had to sleep it before swiftly logging out in the past so take care here.
Halcyon fishing rod is not a bad choice for SSG but beware when your targetting nebs, the same lure (shrimp lure) will also target bastore breams and grimmonites too!
Release your catch if you find your rod is moving too rapidly and generally being hard to reel in.
If you don't, there's a chance of either a line snap (loss of lure) or even breaking your rod. (Loss of fishing rod and lure.)

There are a few fishing rings that can help you either reel in the fish faster or increase the chance of gaining fishing skill so you will level faster.

Albatross ring isn't something I used till I was levelling my skill from 99-100 actually and I did have a few rings from questing a pirates chart.
Some people swear by them but I never found the need to use it really.

Pelican ring! Omg this ring is so godly that it increases fishing skill.
You get this from winning the fishing contest in the selbina fishing guild.
Well you got to hit the top 20 on the score board after the results are announced.
They ask for a fish of a particular size and weight, then you toddle off and bring it back to the NPC.
From the start of the competition, you get roughly two weeks to get a fish that matches what they ask for before it closes.
Then they display the results for two weeks before it starts all over again.
So you can win one ring a month if you are lucky enough to bring back the fish which matches what they asked for the most.

There are other ways to obtain these rings as well as new ones from MMM but I have no experience of those so I can't tell you much about that.









Edited, Mar 17th 2010 2:47pm by Janeash
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Ebisu Fishing Rod Obtained: Sunday 8th August 2010
#7 Mar 17 2010 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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Janeash is spot on about the Lu Shang's. If you are serious about a long term career in fishing this rod needs to be your first goal. Earning it (through catching/buying) is a great test of your comittment to fishing.

Once you get to level 50 fishing or so, you'll hit the wall of what you can catch and where you can fish without a Lu Shang.

I hit up Windy Walls for moat and gold carp, getting to fishing 54 or so. At that point I spent a couple weeks fishing to fatigue (200 fish a day) in Ronfuare (Knightwell Pond).

Once you have your Lu's you can bounce between SSG (AH-able fish + frequent bite rate) vs Nashmau (more skill ups + sporadic bite rate).

Good luck!
#8 Mar 17 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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OK, so from what I read on this thread and from the database Janeash gave me.

It appears I can fish for moat, either in a town (Wind Woods) or at the Knightwell pond in Ronfaure. Which would you suggest is best? I am fairly low level and reside in Windy, so if there are no cons to fishing in Windy, that is where I may start.
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#9 Mar 17 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Grand Blue is a good database :) You can input bait and area to see what fish will bite or look up all the places a particular fish is at

http://www.grand-blue.com/

Knightswell is my favorite spot just for moats, but Windy Woods is fine as well. Just get some little worms and a halcyon rod. If the rod doesn't move around much then it is a rusty, so you can just release it.
#10 Mar 18 2010 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
Janeash wrote:
Hmmm first off, I would quest your Lu shangs because I wouldn't go anywhere without it.


pinchzorz wrote:
Janeash is spot on about the Lu Shang's. If you are serious about a long term career in fishing this rod needs to be your first goal. Earning it (through catching/buying) is a great test of your comittment to fishing.

Smiley: dubious I agree and disagree with the both of you. I confirm the fact that nobody who is serious about fishing should level beyond 50 without the Lu Shang, at least not if he's not prepared the agonizing ordeal of the frequent "too small to catch" failure message. The Lu definitely is a serious advantage over other rods.

I don't quite agree with the fact you should quest it though. If you can find a way to gather the about 3 mil a Lu is sold on AH, do yourself a favor and buy the rod as soon as you can. Sell all moat carp you might catch while leveling to the AH. Even if you take into account AH taxes and the cost of an AH Lu, selling the same amount of carp you need to quest your Lu, will still net you about 1 Mil in profit on top of your Lu Shang's rod.

The advantage, however, is that you can use the Lu even at the low levels of fishing (and take advantage of it's unique properties), that you don't necessarily have to limit your options on a skill up path that provides moat carp (the Buburimu Shall Shell is too nice a place to miss, for instance) and that you don't take the risk of getting a 'burn out' after handing over the 9536th carp to the Elvaan and end up totally empty handed. Smiley: grin

I followed this road (bought my Lu Shang at fishing level 20ish) and never for one second regretted spending the 2.9 mil buying it from AH.

Just a suggestion.
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#11 Mar 18 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, if you can afford to buy a LU, do so.

When I got serious about my Lu I had already turned in 2000+ fish, so buying the rod just to fish more moats was not the best use of my limited funds. But everyone's situation is different. Plus for me, I set catching/buying the fish as a goal. Not because it wade the rod better or was the more economical choice, but just for the challenge.

If I was just starting out seeking a Lu I would fish nebs and use the profits to buy a Lu.

As for being based in Windy, I found moats and gold carp was a great may to earn your Lu. Windy Walls right by the center of town (the stream around the tree). Halcyon + Insect Paste gets moats and gold only. And you can skill up all the way to 56 there.

Good luck to anyone fishing/buying moats to finish the quest.
#12 Mar 18 2010 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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The thing is that new people who turn to fishing, do so because they need a way to make money that isn't expensive.
This usually means they have no crafts or other way of making 3 mil gil to buy their Lu Shangs which is why most people would suggest questing it, rather then buying it outright.
Also a Lu Shangs is not something you would commonly find on AH too so you would probably have to camp it to see if one pops up.
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Ebisu Fishing Rod Obtained: Sunday 8th August 2010
#13 Mar 19 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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This site lists the daily guild items, including Fish of the Day. Todays for me happens to be PHANAUET NEWT raaaaaaaaagggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeee!

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:25am by Almantia
#14 Mar 19 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Almantia wrote:
This site lists the daily guild items, including Fish of the Day. Todays for me happens to be PHANAUET NEWT raaaaaaaaagggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeee!

Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:25am by Almantia


That seems like a very good site indeed!

I used to use one just like it a few years ago when I was doing my cooking and fishing guild points.
I think it was called mysterytour (I'm not sure though) but it no longer running.
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Lu Shangs Fishing Rod obtained: Feb 2005
Maat's cap Obtained: Saturday 31st July 2010
Ebisu Fishing Rod Obtained: Sunday 8th August 2010
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