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#1 Feb 25 2010 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hello everyone,

I'd like to start out by saying that I've personally went through both paths and to me, I have found mining more of a money maker than fishing. However, I always hear my ls mates talking about fishing being faster than mining. So I'm wondering if maybe I am missing something about fishing?

My fishing skill is around 80'ish I believe and was what I had tried a while back, what I had tried for money at the time was Talacca Cove. About half a day there I was able to get about 60k to 100k if I can recall.

After getting bored with fishing I tried mining. I've noticed that khroma ores are pretty rare but I seemed to be able to pull at least 2 up a week with the same time I used fishing. 2 Khroma ore's already bypassed my income as far as fishing went.

So really my question is, Was I fishing wrong?? Wrong location? Wrong target? Or perhaps did it just seem that for me the mining path was just better suited?

Thanks!
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#2 Feb 25 2010 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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If you know what you are doing and can do it well, Mining will make you more money. Fishing is more consistant (i.e. Even if you have an 'unlucky' night, yo still take home a decent amount of Gil.)

I dont really enjoy mining so I fish.
I have no doubt that I could make more money (over the corse of a week/month) if I spent that time mining instead of fishing.
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#3 Feb 26 2010 at 2:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have found mining more of a money maker than fishing.
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So really my question is, Was I fishing wrong?? Wrong location? Wrong target?

I'm pretty sure you didn't do anything wrong. I have walked both paths as well, although on a quite different way: my fishing is only at 40ish now and I never went into the 'dangerous' places to mine or fish (read, places where a level 75 can get killed if not careful).

There are a few points I have against mining which make me like fishing more.

1) You can easily fish (for money) in places that don't get you killed, even at lower job levels. This opens up fishing for more people than mining does (or at least this was the case a few years ago when I was more active in both mining and fishing events and when not about every player had several lvl75 jobs available).

2) If you are unlucky, a day of mining will only yield you a full inventory of low value products but no big money item. Fishing (as was said by the previous poster) is more constant and will almost always yield you some gil.

3) There is no way to skill up in mining. I like the fact that, next to fishing up items I can sell for gil or craft into something useful, I occasionally also get a skill up. This highly breaks the monotony of fishing, but is totally lacking in mining.

4) There is no competition with fishing. You can have a dozen fisherman standing next to each other in the same spot, yet your performance and gain isn't influenced by it at all. With mining, if you have two or more people competing, it can become very frustrating fast. With decreasing server population, this is less of a problem now, but it used to be a huge issue a few years ago.

5) Efficient mining requires leveling two crafts at least: Smithing and Goldsmithing (unless you want to throw away a ton of relatively useful ores if you can't turn them into ingots). Being two full fletched crafts, you can only level both to 60 (with an additional 40 points to spare). With fishing the only logical choice of craft is Cooking, both of which (cooking and fishing) can be leveled independently to 100 (which is why my main character is a level 100 cook).

6) Both fishing and mining require you to bring a lot of consumables to the working field (be it life bait or pickaxes). Fishing, however, does offer a lot of spots you can get away with lures instead of stacks of bait and if you have cooking leveled, you can craft your own bait on the spot in a gil friendly way (i.e. lower cost to make it yourself than to buy from AH). Sure you can craft your own pickaxes, but that would be a waste of gil and time (and inventory slots tbh). Back in the time where no satchels were available and 50 inventory space was about all you could look at, this was a big issue.

7) Fishing is a static activity. You just stand on the same spot and do your thing. Mining requires a lot of running around. This means that while fishing, you still have the opportunity to participate in LS chat. I never could do so with mining (unless I would just stand idle somewhere to type).

From the arguments above, it should be clear that I never fished or mined for the money. So, purely from the monetary aspect of it, mining could be more efficient than fishing, I don't know (never went after the big gil mining items). I mined because I needed the ores to skill up Smithing and Goldsmithing (and because I liked it more to go after them myself than to just buy them from NPC or AH unless they were dirt cheap and otherwise difficult to get, like tin ore Smiley: grin).

Likewise I fished for fun, for skill ups and to obtain items to skill up in Cooking and Alchemy (unless again it was a waste of time to fish and not buy the items, like e.g. jellyfish). I rather enjoyed catching my own Gugru Tuna to make my own Tuna Sushi when I was leveling BST.

I know... I'm weird... Smiley: sly

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#4 Feb 26 2010 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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I've never tried fishing in Talacca Cove, but from the looks of it I guess you just NPC all the fish.

I started fishing in Sea Serpent Grotto right after I finished Lu Shangs quest and capped fishing at 55 on gold carps. I go for Grimmonites and Nebimonites in SSG with Shrimp Lure but have a cooking mule to turn the Grimmonites into tav taco. Just in value of fish I get around 50k/hr. You should have no problem selling the fish on AH. Nebimonites sell very fast and Grimmonites is listed as selling fast, but I think that it is limited by the supply. They would probably sell as soon as they are up. Otherwise try and find someone with cooking and make a deal with him. Even with skill 65 now I still need to use albatros ring to catch the Grimmonites.

I can also recomment a controller for fishing (if you don't already use that). At least it's less strainfull for my fingers than using the numpad on the keyboard.

I have also done mining while I skilled up smithing and goldsmithing. And also did try for Khroma Ore, but after a 6 hour session with 0 ore I never tried it again.
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#5 Mar 01 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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There is no competition with fishing. You can have a dozen fisherman standing next to each other in the same spot, yet your performance and gain isn't influenced by it at all. With mining, if you have two or more people competing, it can become very frustrating fast. With decreasing server population, this is less of a problem now, but it used to be a huge issue a few years ago


Not to nitpick, but this is incorrect. Bodies of water contain a certain amount of fish, when those fish are gone you must wait for them to respawn. Some bodies of water / fish have a greater capacity than others. It is a lot like choco digging really ^^

As for the OP: I've noticed people tend to claim good fishing nights as the average. Cove is a popular target for profit fishing and I cannot tell you if you were fishing the wrong thing because you didn't list your bait.
#6 Mar 11 2010 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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I personally find fishing less profitable than other forms of making money, many of which take a lot less (if any) time to become proficient at. The Talacca Cove profit method, if it's the one I'm thinking of (shrimp lure > vendor everything you catch), that you mentioned is an extremely consistent, steady source of gil, but it doesn't add up to anything I'd call spectacular.

I find it more profitable to fish for crafting ingredients (cooking being my craft of choice). While some will tell you to either focus on one or the other and remove whichever is the "weaker link", I find that fishing and crafting compliment each other well, and I can make more overall doing both than I could doing either one alone.

But I rarely even do that any more. Other methods tend to average much higher profit for me than fishing, so if I'm purely farming for profit, I tend to go with those methods instead. I still fish mainly because it's a hobby of mine. It's relaxing, doesn't require much effort or preparation (just keep my rod and a few lures handy in satchel). I think it's especially nice for people who play "on and off" for short periods of time. But if someone were to ask me if it's the "best" way to make gil or even close to it, I can't speak for everyone, but from my own personal experience I'd have to say that it isn't.
#7 Apr 07 2010 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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4) There is no competition with fishing. You can have a dozen fisherman standing next to each other in the same spot, yet your performance and gain isn't influenced by it at all. With mining, if you have two or more people competing, it can become very frustrating fast. With decreasing server population, this is less of a problem now, but it used to be a huge issue a few years ago.


Unfortunatley there is. A zone has only a limited amount of specific fish. Once they are all fished up the zone needs to "re-fill" just like chocobo digging zones.

I can get 2 stacks of trumpet shells in an hour if i am alone. If there are 1-2 other fishers at my spot my rate goes down to 1 stack/h depending on their skill.

The very same happens in SSG. If there are 3-4 people fishing your chance of reeling in a grimmonite are very small. You get maybe 6/h if you are lucky. If you go there during a time no one else is there you be reeling them in like crazy going well over 12/h easy.
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