Synergy thoughts so far.Follow

Ok so synergy is here. Speculation can now be reduced as days pass and more people spread their experiences with synergy.

My thoughts on synergy, others opinions will vary so don't condemn me for my opinion.

I don't think I will be continuing to play with synergy and here's why. I did the first quest and got myself a synergy crucible. The beginning quest will grant you a full supply of elemental fewell (99 of each element). This is an awesome freebie and you'll see why in a second. I talk to an engineer for some recipes. My choices of recipes were ebon gloves, ebon gauntlets, hi-potion, orange juice. Do to accessibility of materials, I picked OJ to start things out.

So I approach the furnace solo and click it. Yay, number one it lets you work it without a party (not sure if good or bad yet), number two there wasn't 100's of people spamming it like I first anticipated--no waiting to use the public furnace. I traded my 4 oranges and started the process. I clicked this and that unknowing what I was doing and didnt get any explosions. So I talked to engineer again and re-read the instructions and went back for some more tries. Things started working and I was spitting out finished orange juices. Now for the skill ups, I got like .5 total from adjusting pressure, fixing furnace, and other random operations, but got non from actual quick successful runs.

So now I check my fewell levels. I'm empty in the water element and in the 70-80's in a couple others like light element. I click refill fewell at the engineer and Bam!! my synergy career stops in its tracks. I find it's 20,000 gil to refill fewell. So far .5 synergy skill = 20,000 and I got a few orange juices to sell to offset the cost lol.

So far this craft appears to be the biggest, most incredible waste of time and money anyone could have ever thought of. Considering the cost of leveling the craft and the possible options of gear you get from it. No other craft costs 40k per level from 0-5. I think I'm going to have to lean in direction of the nay-sayers that spouted off about this being another wasted resource SE adds that no one will ever use. At least until someone dumps multi-millions into and finds some insane, hands down, best gear ever from it. But if all you get is situational pieces of gear to hog more inventory, I don't see a bright future for synergy.

Now granted, I didn't keep leveling to 50 to see it's max potential (honestly I couldn't afford to get to 20). I also didnt have a party all working on the furnace. Perhaps you can get skill-ups faster there? Maybe harder recipes provided faster skill-ups; maybe ebon will give 1.0's?

Anyone else have thoughts experiences with synergy so far?



Edited, Dec 7th 2009 10:01pm by RobbyFaces


New info--

Ok I found the fewell orb recipes from npc.

Orbs stack to 12.
Each orb when added to the furnace during process will replenish 50 of that element to your crucible.

Right now its way more expensive to make your own orbs for replenishing unless you farm all your mats. On lakshmi gougers have slime oil at over 20k per stack, crystals of all kinds are 2500-3k per stack, rocks are bought out on AH(goldsmith guild has them for about 6100 each when I just looked.) Also note the initial quest require you get 1x earth crystal, 1x flint stone, 1x oz mythril sand (from mine gravel->machine in palbourgh mines), 1x brass tank. Brass tanks have went from 1k each to 30k each now. Brass ingots went from 5k stack to 30k per stack. Zinc ore (needed to make brass) 1k each now.

If you have the means, it's a low level goldsmith recipe, much cheaper to farm a little and make your own tank. 1 earth crystal, 1x animal glue, 3x brass sheets= brass tank.

(Novice Alchemy) I only found NQ=3 orbs, I didn't do enough to find HQ=values
Fire fewell orb:
1x fire crystal
1x slime oil
1x red rock
1x catalytic oil

Water fewell orb:
1x water crystal
1x slime oil
1x blue rock
1x catalytic oil


The rest are the same, just switch out the rock color and crystal type to match element your looking for.



Edited, Dec 8th 2009 2:35am by RobbyFaces



LoL, wow I add the "secret recipes" and the rate downs start. Well tough, if you don't want people to know easy recipes, so you can gouge the crap out of them.



Edited, Dec 8th 2009 2:48am by RobbyFaces

bsphil wrote:

So lets say you want to refill your water fewell to 99 and a stack of water crystals is 400 gil. So nine stacks for a total of 3600 gil and you left with 9 singles. And you could also farm the more expensive crystals if you wanted to.

And Equivocator is right. SE made special fewell synths (Alchemists only). No idea if that is worth your time/money.

My thoughts so far: If the gear that comes from this is crap I wont do it (duh). If the gear from this is good I probably ask people to craft the items I want for me. Just like I have done in the past.

SE wrote:


Edited, Dec 8th 2009 5:45am by Breaze

I'll let you figure out the exact costs to synth the alchy version on your own, but I will tell you that each individual orb from alchy restores 50 fewell in your crucible. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying fewell from the NPC.

Making fewells is a lot cheaper. With 60 Alchemy you can HQ them already and if you got 100+ Alchemy you can HQ them 50% of the time easy. With 40 Alchemy you can NQ them (35-36 synth level).

1 Elemental Fewell = 50 Element Power = 5.000 Gil at synergy NPC

Let's assume worst case:

1 colored rock 6000 (guild)
1 slime oil 2000 (AH)
1 crystal 1000 (AH)
1 catalytic Oil ~20-50 (NPC)

Total: 9000

NQ: 3 x Fewell = 3000 each - 2000 gil cheaper
HQ1: 6 x Fewell = 1500 each - 3500 gil cheaper
HQ2: 9 x Fewell = 1000 each - 4000 gil cheaper
HQ3: 12 x Fewell = 750 each - 4250 gil cheaper

Voila, 2k cheaper/50 Element Power for NQ and not even made a big effort farming stuff. It get's even cheaper if you farm or buy the rocks in Mhaura guild instead of Bastok.

Edited, Dec 8th 2009 8:27am by KindjalFerrer

I haven't seen too much information at wiki on Synergy mechanics, so I'll post my observations here:
- Feeding fewell of a particular element will decrease the element that it is strong to. For example, when I add water fewell, fire element inside the furnace decreases. Normally, I see this corresponding element drop by -2. On some occasions, I have seen it drop by only -1, and I have only observed that happen if the fewell I added hit the "sweet spot" for the requirements of the recipe.
- When fewell of a particular element starts leaking, the element that is strong to it increases. For example, when the water element that has been built up in the furnace starts to leak out, the lightning element inside the furnace increases. It seems to be a 1:1 relationship between the two.

Would it be stupid to point out that every 5 levels you can talk to the engineers to improve one of your techniques by one level? The npcs also mention that each technique is linked with a specific crafting skill (i.e. feeding energy = smithing).

I haven't tried this yet and haven't read the wall of texts regarding this new feature, but:

1) What does this have to do with the evoliths?
2) Do you level different types of synergy (alchemy, woodworking, etc) or is it all in one?
3) Are you just using orange juice to level or does it do something different that the regular orange juice doesn't?

Bottome line: Why do I care about synergy?

Took synergy to level 5 last night, so I'll probably do that quest to get the portafurnace today. I'm very interested in making a pair of the goldsmithing gloves...but not sure how successful I would be with my skill at only 5.

I have GS @ 100, so wouldn't that technically push my GS level to reach 107 (100+4+3)? That would make any 96 synths bump up to the first tier HQ level. I assume this is also the case in some other crafts, so long as the gloves do not replace any already existing skill+ hand gear.

I just finished making a pair of the boneworker's gloves. There is no +skill on the gloves. Besides the visual stats, the gloves give me an additional synergy technique: Bonecraft - Dark Affinity. I tried it a few times while skilling up with my bonecraft apron, but it did nothing. I believe that the technique will be used for making slotted weapons/gear.

It's an actual technique that shows up on the list and consumes 5 light energy.

I only tried to use the ability four times:

No energy added, ability gives message "no effect".
Some earth energy added, ability gives message "no effect".
Some dark energy added, ability gives message "no effect".
Light energy added to reach a positive amount, ability gives message "no effect".


I'm going to try to make some slotted items later, if you have any suggestions, I can test them as well.


EDIT:

Ok, so it has nothing to do with slotting weapons either, from what I can tell. The shape and element of the weapons seem to be fixed. I tried a bone pick and only had the option of [upsidedown triangle][fire][1]. The size of [1] seemed to be fixed to the element (I didn't get to choose that), so I'm guessing that higher level equipment will have more choices for elements and shapes. The sizes will vary with elements with one element being the "strong" element. But this is all just speculation.

I tried slotting the weapon, ability had no effect again.


Maybe this is a party technique... I've tried the techniques that consume dark energy a few times now, the cost of using them was not reduced. I could not eyeball any change in the effectiveness of any of these techniques.

Edited, Dec 9th 2009 3:33pm by xypin

If this is true, then finding skill caps in synergy is super easy.

At level 0, making orange juice increases the impurity level by +7% every time you add energy. For apple juice, it's +11%. So as long as you're more than 5 levels from the cap, you can see what synergy level your recipe will cap at.

Btw, the crafting smocks cap at level 41 synergy using this method.

This was confirmed by my friend with 0 synergy skill.

Melon Juice has taken be to 15, still getting skill ups.

Etchable items i found after trading them to the engineer:

Heavy Crossbow, Synergy rank: novice, element: dark 35

Engetsuto, Synergy rank: novice, element: thunder 40

Shigeto bow, Synergy rank: novice, element: light 40

Mage's Robe, Synergy rank: recruit, element: ice 20/wind 20

Solid wand, Synergy rank: recruit, element: fire 20

Anybody found anything else?

Edited, Dec 12th 2009 9:27pm by Razorbach

I'm a Synergist in-game and your science sh*t hurts mine!

Just a note, but the apron synth took me from 29-ish to 43 and now I'm the proud owner of an awesome smock. Just need me some fanciful ruszor leather and I can synth some gloves ^^

So is it safe to assume that some of the ebon/ebur/furia pieces will be higher level synergy recipes?

Even though I'm closing in on 50, I'm not getting any recipes from the synergy engineer other than that which is listed on wiki. A friend keeps asking me about the bliault pieces, but I can't find anything out. I'd guess that SE plans on releasing the cap of 50 and letting us go higher eventually.

Just throw the apron into the furnace, add some energy, and out pops the smock. Of course, to have a decent chance at succeeding (beating the minigame), you'll need 30+ synergy... or a friend with 30+ synergy.

The only skill ups on "thwacks" that I see are from preventing an explosion. [13.1] I've even finished juices with 50%+ still on the furnace so I start "thwacking" away at the furnace and haven't seen skill up unless it prevented an explosion.

Alternating between juices and behemoth knife, haven't really noticed one or the other giving better skill ups.