Gladiator - Other Classes to levelFollow

I was wondering what other people have experienced with Gladiator cross-over skills. Which are worth it and which aren't? Here are some of my experiences/thoughts. I am focusing on the lower levels now but I plan on extending this as I go. I plan on testing the untested things ASAP.

 
Pugilist 
 Second Wind(6) - Use 250TP to restore HP.  
   - Rrequires almost half a Stamina bar to use. 
   + Heals approximately 183. (Rank 10 - 13) 
   + Very low cast time. 
 Taunt(10) - An extra provoke! 
   + Does not share cooldown with Provoke. 
   + Great for pulling adds off Mages. 
 Featherfoot*(12) - Increases evasion. Might prevent more guard(and therefore phallanx). 
 
Conjurer 
 - Gladiator's cannot cast spells as AoE. 
 Cure¹(6) - Paladin!    
   + Heals approximately 150. (Rank 10 - 13) 
   + Requires very little stamina. 
   + Seems to generate decent enmity. 
   - Has a cast time. 
 Stoneskin¹ᶳ(8) - Blocks damage. 
 Shock Spikes¹ᶳ(8) - Returns damages and stuns when attacked. 
   + I have found it returns around 50 Damage.  
   + Stun seems to be about 10-25% of the time with my 16 INT Gladiator 
 Radianceᶳ(10) - Grants MP back based on dmg done. 
   + (100dmg @ 5% = 5MP for 1000TP) 
   + Can prevent the need for returning to distant Aether's while grinding. 
 
Thaumaturge  
 - Gladiator's cannot cast spells as AoE. 
 Sacrifice¹(4) - Decent heal over time. 
   - Even though sell description says AoE it is not when used by a Gladiator. 
 Punishing Barbs(10) - Returns 100% of the damage taken 
   + Great spell for difficult leves 
   + Lasts 50 seconds 
   - Has a 3:40 cooldown 
 Stygian Spikes¹ᶳ(16): Gives MP for damage taken. 
   + Best ability to return mana as Gladiator 
 Absorb DEF¹(18): Takes targets defense and gives it to you! 
  - 60 second recast 
 
Marauder 
 - Gladiator's cannot see when they gain steadfast but can get the effects. 
 Defender(10) - Reduces damage taken 
  + Considerably reduces damage taken. 
  - It reduces the damage dealt. This may cause enmity problems. 
  - Steadfast means you have to stand still 
   
 
Lancer 
 Ferocity(4) - Makes next attack or weapon skill more damaging. 
  + Increase damage on next attack by 60%. 
  + The skill itself adds generate a reasonable amount of enmity. 
  - Does not work with Radiance. 
 
* Theory only untested. 
** Read but untested. 
¹ Requires Mana 
ᶳ Better for solo play.(Use is negated or lessened in party environment) 
Strongly Recommended 

I have finally raised every War/Magic job to Rank10(except Archer)!

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Sounds good I will add it to the list. So far Cure/Second Wind is working wonders with my Glad. I am able to Breeze through the ~10 Leves on 3 stars.

I have used Conjurer heal with some pretty good success. It has saved me several times on leves. Cure isn't that great for grinding but I have found its a pretty effective hate generator and tanking skill(Guard/Phallanx and Cure holds aggro pretty well). I heal for about 150. I have read Punishing Barbs works even on Disciples of War but I haven't tested it for myself yet. The problem with using Defender with Gladiator is we don't get access to Steadfast. It still may be effective for the defense bonus though.

Also I have yet to run out of mana on a leve yet, they tend to be very short. Even while grinding I keep Cure on to save myself in dire situations, I just use it more sparingly.

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 6:31pm by Brentmeister

Do people consider lvl 10 Pugilist to be required? I really don't want to go level up a Pugilist to 10 right now. I know it doesn't take all that long, but I spent most of my time in beta as a Pugilist and didn't find it all that fun.

I have found Marauder and Conjurer to be the best combo to use with Gladitor, while I do see the merits of pugilists and thaumat but one gets to the point of having to many abitilies spaced out to chose from. It seems better to focus on con, mar, and gla/as main.
Right now 15gla/10mar/10con and here is what i use
1. Light Swing
2. Guard
3. Phalanx
4. Trunksplitter (like better the Red Lotus cause no mp consum)
5. Red Lotus
6. Circle Slash
7. Provoke
8. Cure
9. Stoneskin
0. Shockspike

I do change things up every now and then but currently this works for me, but open to new ideas.

Some of the main reason i decided not to play pugilist is provoke and taunt work similar enough, cure work just as good a second wind plus lower refresh.

Radiance works well for restoring mana in the field. It's not very good for tough and higher mobs because you don't do enough damage with it to get much MP back, but I was running around tonight thumping dodoes and when my MP started to dip I'd just go punk a few rats. 5% of 120-140 damage is 6-7mp. It doesn't sound like a lot, but we don't use a ton of MP unless we're in over our heads. I never use cure between fights, only in the midst of them if my HP hits yellow and Second Wind is on CD. With the right abilities equipped from other jobs, any class can become relatively powerful. I can handle virtually any mob up to 4-5 levels above me. I had to run from a dodo at rank 7 because it was hitting me for more than I could cure through, but I came back at rank 8 with a bit better chance to hit and Phalanx and curbstomped him.

Defender is a huge part of Glad, i got Marauder to rank 10 asap for that ability. We don't get the enmity boost but honestly.... do you have problems holding the mob to you? I don't. Defender is a must.

I have been able to both block and counter. I'll try to get a screencap next time I play and post it.




I'll add it to the list and will try to test this ASAP. Hopefully I can get to it tonight after Thau.

@Aurelis: my thoughts on radiance exactly.

Does anyone else can offer a confirmation of this, I have been trying to pay close attention to my log but so far have never seen "partially block" and "you counter" on the same attack.

I appreciate any additional info on the matter.

Ken

Sacrifice is AoE on Gladiator/Lancer. Cure is not? Not sure what the HP differential is though will test when I get back to leveling. Currently I am grinding Weaver. BORING!

Well I have been doing some testing with the steadfast ability on gladiator;

Here is what I Did;
Marauder skills:
Lv10 - Defender
Tighten your guard, increasing defense and reducing attack power. Increases enmity generation while under the effect of steadfast.
Cast time 0
Recast time 30


Lv8 - Skull Sunder
Strike an enemy in the head, dealing slashing damage and additional damage over time. Attacks enemies in a cone before you while under the effect of steadfast.
Cast time 0
Recast time 10
Tp cost 500

I grouped with some LS mates and i found that if i just spammed Light Slash i would easier hold aggro when i stood still for a few seconds as it says in the describtion on defender this is an added effect, though you might say this is just teories what really made me sure that glads do gain the steadfast when stading still is this
Attacks enemies in a cone before you while under the effect of steadfast.
after standing still for around 5 secs my Skull Sunder actually hit mobs in a cone infront of me turning Skull Sunder into an AOE.

So my conclussion is this we do infact gain "Steadfast" I do not believe that we gain the benefits of said ability but we gain the added effects of other abilities that are tied to it aslong as we stand still to get the "buff"

Sacrifice takes some HP to cast, and has lower burst healing potential. Cure shines more as a cross-class heal.

I'd have to agree that Marauder and Pugilist are 2 great classes to level. Both of their level 30s abilities will be crucial for tanking Gladiators.

Edited, Oct 6th 2010 9:35pm by leojreimroc

Sacrifice 2 is great and recovers alot of HP.

I didn't add bloodbath because I feel it isn't that useful for a gladiator. Perhaps in some solo situations but skills like Second Wind and Cure are my preferred way of healing mid fight.

EDIT: and Aegis Boon.

Edited, Oct 26th 2010 8:24pm by Brentmeister

This is correct. Spikes deal a portion of the damage taken back to the enemy. Punishing Barbs is 100% for instance but shock spikes is some other percentage(that I believe fluctuates).

I don't see any use for "other classes" abilities at all so far. Sure it's nice versatility...but mandatory for anything? Probably not.

What sure WILL be mandatory later on are the passive Ability Traits you get for Guild Marks on Rank 20 though...these are the ones you should look out as a Gladiator Tank.

For example Pugilist Trait Rank 20. Gives 10% additional Heal on all Healing effects on you(works with Aegis Boon as well)
And Marauder Rank 20 Trait gives additional +10 Enmity on all your actions you perform.
Lancer Rank 20 Trait gives you 20% +moving speed while in active mode.

These are the ones I'm going for and these are the only ones IMO really worth getting...stuff like Stygian Spikes, Punishing Barbs, Defender...all nice to have but no real need for them at all except for some solo activities.

PS: The only real ability worth somehow would be Taunt I guess, although only if you need to tank more than 1 mob...which shouldn't happen at all. If there are any endgame situations to come, where you need to tank several mobs, its prolly be done by several tanks instead of just one, as "multiple target tanking" is pretty much not possible right now.

I'm only using stoneskin for solo. I only do duo with a friend and my Stoneskin stop only 1 hit so I dont imagine when you fight mob in a party (more tough)...

Agree to what most ppl said.

Been looking at other class abilities and not mentioned that seemed they might be useful is disorient and accomplice. Has anyone tried these on their glad yet? I havent got either pug or mar that high. But I will once i get glad to 50, hopefully by this week.

As soon as the patch drops I plan on rushing Marauder and Pugilist to 20 for the traits. 10% more healing and +10 enmity is something you can't pass up.

About your note on Featherfoot, Haymaker should be a must-have anyway. I always equip Phalanx, Haymaker and Feint. That way the only time I don't get a hit on the mob is if it outright misses me. Featherfoot is just a way to ensure you can sneak a Haymaker in.