Strength or Dexterity based Damage?Follow

DEX was for accuracy, AGI was for evasion. Dex may be a stat for both ACC and EVA this time. They did get rid of AGI after Alpha stage. I would think a tanking PUG would want to focus on VIT and STR more. I never played a tank and I plan on making my PuG a thrifty little THF. But who knows what each stat is going to modify.

I didn't realize their defense was based on evasion. If Dex modified evasion you would want to cap it first and then work on VIT. Your gonna want high defense when you don't evade a hit. I never played a tank class, but I would go for whatever gave me EVA followed by VIT and STR.

One of Pugs skills adds damage based on half your DEX while attacking from behind(Blindside)

Also in an interview I believe they said that they had eliminated AGI, along with luck and something else I can't remember, as a stat.

My question wasn't if Dex will increase Evasion, and if that was the basis of Pug tanking. It is apparent to me that if Pug tanks in a native build will be dex based, if in fact dex increases evasion. I'm sure there are plenty of viable hybrid builds that can tank in a Vit/Str build using other classes abilities.


My question was, Do you think Pug damage will be dex based,or str based?

Or in other words, do you think we'll be able to tank with the same stat build we DD with, or do you think we'll have to move stat points depending on the situation?







This is one of the reasons I'm thinking they might have dex based damage. Unless that skill is specifically designed for tanking.

I read that STR is basically dmg determined against an enemy's vitality, Dex will be accuracy and crit (possibly dodge since agility was removed in beta), and vitality will be the amount of damage negated from an attacker's strength.

So i'ma guess most will make DEX the priority like everyone has been sayin =P.

I think it would seem really strange to think the regular attacks won't be based heavily off strength. However, if that ability/ws is any indication, dex could be they heavy contributing stat in everything else not related to auto-attack base damage. Still, if XI is any indication, even WSs based off dex/vit/mnd/int/chr still showed more favorable results when str was added into the equation if all others stats were untouched.

I speculate that dex to pug is as dex is to thf. There was no combat stat more important to a thf in a full party. However, if a thf couldn't fit more dex into a particular slot, then they pursued str in many cases not related to solo or trick attack.

Tank or DD: If we all think back to NA release, and imagine pre-NA release, Warrior was a main, no "the" main tank. Due to the appearances of classes like PLD and NIN they were replaced as tanks, but luckily for them, SE did allow WAR to become very viable damage dealers. I don't believe SE intended WAR to become only a DD, just as they didn't originally intend NIN to become only a tank (with a few exceptions in end-game merit burns). Based on what PUG is described to be so far. I'm predicting PUG becomes similar to WAR in how it was intended to be both DD and tank depending on the situation, and they're throwing in some survival/thf-like abilities in for good measure to make sure the class doesn't end up jack of all trades/master of nothing.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 7:40pm by TraceKoldKut

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 7:41pm by TraceKoldKut

I agree with you, if the Pug is only intented to be damage only class, then having abilities of a tank-like class (ie. provoke and defensive stance) is pretty pointless.

Well the DEX stat build in a tank maybe similar to that of a DD as long as we naturally assume it affects acc. Although the way I see it a DD would have a much desired want of DEX through some of pugs ability (blindside) and as well as the factoring in of acc cap.

Although, It does make sense that a Tank build would want DEX into stats because you can't keep hate if you don't hit and whether or not it increases evasion. Now, what I've been thinking, is that being no AGI, accuracy may be a form of evasion, where as in games, sometimes your lack of vision allows more enemy attacks to land making you more vulnerable.

Also this is where the defensive and offensive stances may come into play, and logically makes sense. (I'm not talking about the passive/active status of characters, I mean the actual stance of the pug) So we can confirm that the one stance is for evade and the other for attack. However, I'm wondering that perhaps the stances aren't just for that, if we assume that the evading is dependent on the actual trait of acc then perhaps the defensive stance is one that increases acc and lowering dmg and the other stance is the Yang to the Ying. Kinda of like war abilities defender and berserk where its atk/acc in stead of atk/def. I'm not sure if this helps in anyway but its just my thoughts on some info i've read, but DEX will probably effect both, where VIT helps with tanking and STR for DD.

Galka in FFXI had a huge HP advantage, but I don't think that'll be the case in FFXIV. The designer already said all races would start with the same (or very similar) base stats. That being said, every race would have the potenial to have high HP, def and eva, it's just depended on how the player distribute the stats points.

There will be no subclasses, your class will be based on what kind of weapon you're using at the moment. However, since you can carry over the Abilities from one class to another, you can also look at this as a new form of subclass.

If you just level up a Pug from level 1 to max level, you'll be able to learn ALL Pug abilities and use them. However, if you check out the abilities from other classes, sometimes you will find some good abilities that may work well with your Pug. For example, the Life Surge from Lancer, when the ability is activated, you'll be able to drain some HP from the mob everytime you land a successful attack. In addition to that, for every successful hit, the mobs' evasion rate will be reduced. I'm not sure how long will this Life Surge ability last everytime you activate it, but if it's a time-based ability and let's say it'll last for 30 seconds, as we all know fist weapon class (Pug) has a fast hitting speed, a Lancer may be able to do 10 attackes in 30 seconds, but a Pug maybe able to do 30. That being said, when a Lancer uses this ability, he can drain HP from the mob 10 times and put a debuff on the mob 10 times (if his hitting rate is 100%), as for a Pug, he can drain the mob 30 times and put a debuff on the mob 30 times. I'm not sure if this will really be the case or not, but it's just an example on how you may want to combine abilities from other classes with your "primary" class (or the class you like the most) and create a strong charactor.

Well now that the base stats for each race have appeared on the general discussion board, it looks like my decision to be a hyur midlander wasn't the best. But hey, I made my choice and i'm sticking to it!

Interesting to see where the highest DEX sits though.

Did a bit of testing earlier today in open beta on my Roegadyn pugilist. First full strength and then full dex, both builds seemed to do equal amounts of damage but I am only physical level 7 right now so the tests are not all that conclusive. As of right now, I am leaning toward DEX being the superior stat mainly because I seemed to miss my TP moves a lot less which really helps in taking down mobs. Once again, I did not spend all that long testing so take everything with a grain of salt.

I can say Vit doesn't affect damage. Str has a significant (IE: 16 points in str upped my damage from 50 to high 80's early on) increase though, and Dex seems to only affect accuracy. Not even evasion. I'm keeping all 3 even at the moment (rank 12 level 14)...neglect Dex and you can't hit. Neglect Str and you hit like a noodle. Neglect Vit and you die.

Come Retail this may change, as (one would hope) better gear will be attainable, but I've found that not raising all three leads to much more death than raising all three.

I've played FF before but I want to know what the max level is going to be and how many points we will get to distribute can someone reply and tell me

STR based, i did some tests today same level and rank, 45 str fighting Dodos hitting range from 15-19, mostly like 16s, and i tried 60 str hitting mostly 20s and 21s, my concussive blow went from 90s to over 130, i think i did some 160