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#1 May 29 2012 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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I rolled my first Republic alt over the weekend. Seeing as I have a 50 assassin, I'm not sure why I decided to roll a Consular, but I did. I chose a female Miraluka (mask option 1, they remind me of Morpheus' sunglasses from The Matrix) and got into the story. I decided to go sage with this character and think I have decided on a Telekenetics spec. I'm actually having some fun healing so far and I love blowing people up in WZs. I manage to get to level 21 so far and am about 1/4 of the way through Taris.

Some thoughts so far on Empire vs Republic and other things. I am really enjoying the Consular story. I thought the Inquisitor story was great as well, but I've never really enjoyed playing the power hungry megalomaniac, so I think the Consular story fits me better. Having played a tank specced asassin to 50, this sage to 21, and a marauder to 29, I have to say that tank specced characters have a distinct advantage, especially once they get their healing companion. I hardly ever had to stop and regenerate on my assassin. On the sage it feels like any fight against a gold star mob and I'm forced to Meditate afterwards, moreso for Force regen than health regen.

The only starting planets I've done so far are Tython, Korriban, and half of Hutta, but man Tython blows the other two away. Maybe it's just the redness of Korriban getting to me after taking two characters through it, but I'm already ready to roll a Jedi Knight alt just to get to see Tython again. I am also looking forward to seeing if Ord Mantell is as much better than Hutta.

Finally, the Republic gets MUCH better looking gear. I was very thankful to see that a lot of the Jedi gear actually makes them look like Jedi. I realize the Sith aren't Jedi, but there really wasn't that much difference in their appearance in the movies. I guess they had to do something to differentiate them, especially for PVP, but the Empire gear just looks horrible. With the exception of the Consular's War Hero gear, I like every set I've seen. My consular is currently wearing the Robe on Insight (from Athiss) and the rest of her gear is the female formal wear with the colors unified and I have had more than one group member tell me my character looks cool. I can't help but agree.
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#2 May 29 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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The gear in TOR looks like crap, to be brutally honest. I get that the entire story is set some three millenia (screw you, Chrome dictionary, it's the correct pluralization of millennium) before the story in the movies, but it's not that they're wearing robes and bathrobes, it's just awful design. I mean, who came up with the idea that Jedi Knights were samurai, or that Sith Assassins have to wear branches and sh*t on their outfit?

They need to make the design team watch the movies and play through Knights of the Old Republic. If Bounty Hunter and Trooper gear doesn't change over three thousand years, neither should the Jedi and Sith robes. After all, Jedi are wearing robes and using lightsabers because it was the traditional outfit of the Jedi Order, right? Why would a Jedi Shadow and a Sith Assassin be wearing uncomfortably large, multi-layered robes? It would only restrict movement. Why would a Jedi Guardian be wearing durosteel armor?

It just looks horrible and the Star Wars atmosphere goes out the window. It looks like they took the Warrior/Paladin/Mage fantasy template, gave the characters glow sticks and called it sci-fi. My Jedi is taking down "elite" bad guys by the dozens in the first few levels wearing nothing but pants and a t-shirt. By the time he gets the heavily plated crap, he can't even take down a single "elite" bad guy without getting beat up.

Put heavy plating on the Bounty Hunters and the Troopers, but seriously, Jedi/Sith "tanking" is all about avoidance, not mitigating hits. That's what the enhanced reflexes are for. They're supposed to be parrying the blows, not soaking them up through heavy armor and "Force bubbles."

Ugh.

Edit: I'd like to point to the various trailers (if not the movies) for evidence. None of the Jedi/Sith in the trailers mitigate the damage. Darth Malgus gets his face blown off by a thermal detonator and Van Whatshisface gets stabbity right through his durosteel armor by Malgus at the temple. Get hit by a lightsaber and it'll cut right through whatever's in the way. It's superheated gas encased in a force field. It doesn't brake for anyone, no matter what the Expanded Universe claims.

Edited, May 30th 2012 12:01am by Mazra
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#3 May 29 2012 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think the Consular gear is terrible. They end up wearing robes a lot like what Obi-wan wore in the movies. I think they just had to do some embellishing because people would have **** a brick if your gear choices were a plain robe with the only choice being whether it was light brown, dark brown, or gray.

The Sith gear is just absolutely terrible. Every set has some weird things sticking off of it in completely random places. I don't remember Darth Maul dressing that differently from a Jedi other than his robes were darker colors.

I think they should have gone with the hooded robe look for light armor. Then they could have used the robed with the "hooded duster" as medium armor.. And that would have left the Darth Vader look for heavy armor. The sets could have been different colors and with different embellishments for Empire and Republic. The Empire sets could have been blacks and grays and reds and the Republic sets could have been browns and greens and blues.

Also, any Jedi robe has to have a hood and there should totally be an interface option to have the hood be up or down.
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#4 May 29 2012 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
I don't think the Consular gear is terrible. They end up wearing robes a lot like what Obi-wan wore in the movies.


Now, I've seen all six movies about a half dozen times, being a Star Wars fan and all, but I don't recall Obi-Wan Kenobi ever wearing anything similar to this:
http://www.oldrepublic.net/content/attachments/1649d1332163188-male-bm-stalkers.jpg/

or this:

http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2012/pollyrak.jpg

Granted, the Consular Black Hole gear looks better...

http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2012/pollybh.jpg

Bigdaddyjug wrote:
I think they just had to do some embellishing because people would have sh*t a brick if your gear choices were a plain robe with the only choice being whether it was light brown, dark brown, or gray.


People are currently **** bricks because they were expecting brown and gray robes and instead got this.

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Also, any Jedi robe has to have a hood and there should totally be an interface option to have the hood be up or down.


They're working on the hood toggle. It was in the beta, but was removed due to whatever. Not sure it'll come out with 1.3, but they've said they're working on implementing it along with a helmet on/off toggle for companions. I went with a light headband for Vette because her helmets hide by default due to the lekku, making her bald.

And to add to my earlier comment on Jedi wearing heavy armor, I don't think this looks bad. In fact, that's the look I'm going for on my Jedi Knight. But this... what the **** is that?
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#5 May 30 2012 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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Again, some of those you linked are just the traditional robes with...embellishments.

I still stand by this:

Light armor = single robe
Medium armor = layered robe
Heavy armor = Darth Vader look or that one you said you were shooting for for the Republic side

I'm glad they didn't just go with a plain robe for all of the Jedis and just change the armor value because then everybody would look alike and it would be **** tough to tell the classes apart just by looking at them.
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#6 May 30 2012 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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D'oh! Double post!

Edited, May 30th 2012 7:07am by Bigdaddyjug
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#7 May 30 2012 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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The devs have spoken a lot about gear design, and have said they'll be trying to stay closer to the simple aesthetics, in response to public feedback.

That said, I hated the Consular gear on my male character, though I've never minded it that much on Kira. It's definitely better on the slimmer frames of female characters. The last craftable robe is pretty great though. As a general rule, I'm finding I don't like the mid-level Jedi gear. Early level Esseles/Coruscant simple hooded robe is usually what I wear for a long while. I kinda hate what my Guardian is wearing now, in his 40s, but that robe just looks weird with armored greaves. I do like the simple robe over body armor look, though.

Word of warning Big, helms are glitched right now on Miraluka and anything that isn't full-face won't show at all.

As for story, I liked the Consular arc a lot. I can see why it's criticized, though, after seeing how much work went into the Knight story. I actually still like the Consular story more, though. I'm not going to say more, lest I spoil things.
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#8 May 30 2012 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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I'm currently wearing the Robe of Insight from Athiss and the rest of my slots are filled by the female formal gear. For some reason the hat isn't showing up on my Miraluka, even though other people have told me hats show up on theirs. Yes, I checked to make sure I didn't have the hide head slot option checked in the interface options.

The whole set looks pretty badass on a body type 2 female Miraluka (or human I would suppose).

One thing I think they need to do is to make different sets for shadows/assassins and sages/sorcerers. A melee (or even tank type) shadow/assassin is going to need a different type of armor than a ranged caster type sage/sorcerer.
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#9 May 30 2012 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Any head that doesn't prompt the game to remove the mask (which basically limits it to full-head coverings, like masks) currently does not show, and this has been the case since 1.2. They had previously had a glitch where hair/masks clipped through hoods (and head pieces showed even when hoods were up, causing a lot of clipping), so this might be a bug relating to a fix.

It's also possible it is working as intended, but I hope not. I like Miraluka, but I want options. What they really need to add is a way to change your mask after charater creation, so you can switch to one that doesn't clip your current helm.
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I bought the moddable medium armor chest piece (the shirt with the hood down) for my Guardian because all other moddable armor pieces feature a helmet up and ugly designs. I lose a bit of armor rating, but I preserve the aesthetics. Fair trade.
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1.3 makes all social gear into adaptable gear, so it'll scale to your armor proficiency. That might not help you feel like a Jedi, but it does give you far more options. As for guardian gear, I really don't mind the basic kind of armored robe--it makes sense to me that, in a period rife with the various defensive needs from both lightsaber and blaster attacks, that they'd need to add more passive defenses. Hard enough to train a knight to be effective against just one of those attack types, let alone both. Then you consider environmental and kinetic damage that a battlefield could cause?

The ridiculously flamboyant stuff I don't like, but I have no problems with them making gear look more like armor than basic robes.
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#12 May 31 2012 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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I don't mind the simple durosteel and robe design, but the huge shoulder pads, the samurai helmets and the stuff that looks like it belongs on a Trooper/Bounty Hunter is just icky.
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Yeah, but you're talking about the PVP gear. PVP gear is always ridiculous. The only thing the normal gear has are the shoulder pads.

I'll probably just be using the Jedi Battlelord set.

Really, though, most gear is fine.
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The jedi gear may not look great, but it at least looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the Sith gear. And if anybody wants to argue with that I've got a lightsaber they can sit on and rotate.
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#15 May 31 2012 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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At the end of the day, I like the simplistic gear for just about every class.

What I find absurd is that the Inq gear gets ridiculously flamboyant, but the emperor is just wearing a simple mask and robes. You think he'd be the one with all the feathers and junk. Then again, I suppose he doesn't really need anything to make him more intimidating--being faceless to the enemy is already terrifying.

Anyway, the level 20 and 40 pvp sets for Inq are fine. 40 are actually pleasant. Part of me actually likes the 50 pvp set, at least for a Sorcerer (I rationalize it as being an aesthetic form of Dun Moch). The Columni set is just ugly.
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#16 May 31 2012 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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At what point in the Inquisitor questline do you get to meet the person in your spoiler? I have a 50 tankassin and soooo do not remember getting to meet him.
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#17 May 31 2012 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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I met the spoiler during the Jedi Knight storyline, but not during the Consular one.
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#18 Jun 01 2012 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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Weird, I thought I posted this already. I need to stop multitasking quick replies here. I tend to leave them hanging for a while as I look up stuff, or check grammar, which is why sometimes I make replies to a post 30 minutes ago, without quotes or anything. And sometimes I apparently just close the browser tab without posting what I spent 30 minutes writing. Smiley: lol

Anyway, I don't think you have to put the Emperor behind spoiler tags. It's pretty commonly known that the Empire has an Emperor. The name sort of gives it away. Smiley: tongue Of course, if you were to post anything from the Jedi storyline involving the Emperor, I'd suggest spoilers, so as to not ruin it like this guy I grouped with on Coruscant did. He was in a group with three Knights (he was a Scoundrel) and he started talking about mechanics. Suddenly he's like "I stopped playing my Knight after I killed the Emperor," followed by the longest, most awkward, silence and then a "Oh sh*t, I forgot you were Knights! I'm so sorry!"

Smiley: lol

I didn't care. I'd already read about the ending several times on the official class forum, but he just ruined it all for two others with four words. Good times. Well, for me at least. I laughed and I laughed, not at their misfortune, but at Scoundrel spamming apologies and the two other Knights groaning out loud.

Edit: I put spoilers around the person here because you revealed that you encountered that person during the Knight storyline, which is a spoiler if I reveal what was behind the spoiler tag. Smiley: um

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Yeah, that was the only reason I spoiler'd it. I didn't know you actually could kill him--I figured the story arc would end just with you stopping the immortality ritual. I'm still hoping I can turn him to the light side...
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