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#402 Apr 07 2014 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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Catjeet is really fun so far. He might win the highest level alt race soon.


Plus they're hilarious.


Smiley: lol

Also my DW thundercat is just breezing through stuff that gave my bosmer trouble. Part of it is knowing what I am doing better now, but man that DPS.
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#403 Apr 08 2014 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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Man seems like they really improved from beta, seems like those of you playing really like the gameplay and what not. And the launch is going well? except that falling in the world incident. Starting to think about picking it up we shall see.
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#404 Apr 08 2014 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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It's still got some other problems. Even though I am enjoying it.

The quest flow on starter islands seems really solid. But once you get to your main faction city it really slows down. I know that their is an emphasis on exploration and I do dig randomly finding quests and such while cruising around but I think the XP rate needs to be adjusted some. (Up) This is for PvE I have not tried PvP yet.

But I have covered every inch of certain areas of the map and am still behind the curve for quest and mob level most of the time. I don't mind grinding some but it feels even slower. It's not game breaking for me yet but I feel like it should be looked into. The topic gets a lot of debate on the forums between people saying I'm behind and people saying I'm ahead. The ahead crowd says: "Your not doing it right". But the behind crowd seems to be attempting everything the ahead crowd is doing with different results.

One part of me says, it's all good leveling too fast just makes you bored with the game sooner. But I also think a certain sense of pacing and progress keeps that investment from turning into a slog.

My highest toon is only 11 though so I probably need to play higher before I decide. If going from 9-11 is indicative of the games pace though and the curve scales up it's going to be a long ride for PvE. (I've heard PvP zergers can level faster but I'm not ready to go there yet.)
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#405 Apr 08 2014 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
From talking with some other folks who are playing it, if you love the Elder Scrolls series for its story, you'll enjoy the game despite its flaws. (And if you love PVP you are in a happy place.)
#406 Apr 08 2014 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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From talking with some other folks who are playing it, if you love the Elder Scrolls series for its story, you'll enjoy the game despite its flaws. (And if you love PVP you are in a happy place.)


Wait, what?

The entire concept of the game is a massive retcon to the ES lore. I wasn't invested enough in the ES story to make that a serious issue for me (and I'm all about the story), but fans of the ES story have been pretty vocal about their displeasure there...

Unless you just meant "play ES games for atmospheric story" and not the actual plot structures of the universe.
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#407 Apr 08 2014 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I thought every ES game was a massive retcon to the ES story?
#408 Apr 08 2014 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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Catwho wrote:
From talking with some other folks who are playing it, if you love the Elder Scrolls series for its story, you'll enjoy the game despite its flaws. (And if you love PVP you are in a happy place.)


Wait, what?

The entire concept of the game is a massive retcon to the ES lore. I wasn't invested enough in the ES story to make that a serious issue for me (and I'm all about the story), but fans of the ES story have been pretty vocal about their displeasure there...

Unless you just meant "play ES games for atmospheric story" and not the actual plot structures of the universe.


Maybe ESO "type" stories is what they mean? At least two friends have said they looooooove the story so far in ESO.

I dunno, I never got too involved in the games, which is why I have no pie in the ESO fight, more curiosity as to how things turn out.
#409 Apr 08 2014 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lore-wise, it's like I always say about the Peter Jackson films: I think you have to look at it as a separate creative act from the source material. Smiley: wink But differences from other ES games aside, it is a very story-driven style of game. The quests are all about story, and stories that build on each other as they go. There's a lot of continuity within a given zone in terms of all the quests being part of a larger story. The choices you make, people you meet, and things you do will actually change your environment, although often in small ways. NPC dialogue, for example, will change based on your fantastic feats. Or a village you liberated will then become a friendly place where you can use vendors and so forth instead of being full of bandits.

Because story and choices matter, skipping the quest text will sometimes make things harder for you, so for people who like to blow through such things and progress as quickly and efficiently as possible, this may not be the game for them.

As far as the behind or ahead question, I've been finding myself a little low for my quests at some times and too high for them at others. I'm only level 15. When I'm underleveled, I think part of the reason is that I'm expected to be going into Cyrodil at this point but I'm too cowardly. Smiley: lol
#410 Apr 08 2014 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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Not really, they mostly just move the timeline forward far enough that they can more-or-less do what they want with impunity, as long as they don't directly contradict past events.

Some examples:

In the time when ESO takes place, Cyrodil is supposed to be a massive jungle. When Talos becomes a god, he remakes Cyrodil into the landscape we see in later games. That's significant, as this game takes place 300 years before Talos is born. It's his really big "OH FRICK YEAH I'M A GOD" moment, and this completely erases that from the game.

Imagine Christian mythos in the same context as this. Now imagine that someone just decided the Resurrection didn't happen. It's pretty much that.

This is the change that has a lot of the kinder fans, people actively trying to forgive/ignore every other inconsistency, really pausing. Because it's a huge event in the ES timeline that they just retconned away.

They're trying to excuse a lot of their retcons by the fact that this is a dark age where little written history survived (which is actually because a god merged alternate timelines into one, if I understand correctly, IDK - ES lore gets confusing). But what a lot of fans are taking serious issue with is the fact that:

1. It's being really sloppily done. Everything about this war makes very, very little lore sense in the context of literally anything else in the timeline. So even if it's a dark age and it "could" have happened, it happening would be really weird. The alliances they've set up just make no sense. But they were made because it's all gameplay related. The factions are split by landmass, which is so much less interesting than most ES conflicts, where different races ally and it's very often not about neighbors banding together. Add in the fact that many of these relationships strain credulity...

2. They're being really insensitive about it. Essentially, Zenimax is acting like a little boy. They've been generally really degrading to the longtime fans of the series; people who really invested in the world and its EU. They are really dismissive of peoples' issues with the inconsistencies, and their reactions typically range from "whatever" to "that's stupid anyway."

The EU is a product, and these fans are people who are a big part of providing the revenue for the product (both directly and through brand awareness). It's a shame that Bethesda is the one who is going to take a hit for this, but they made the choice to license the product. /shrug.
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#411 Apr 08 2014 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not huge on ES lore. I usually don't actually read the books unless I am in a special kind of mood or it's titled "The Lusty Argonian maid". I'm more of a hey look at that cool outcrop of rocks. I'm going to climb that and see what happens type of player. I am able to follow the story fairly well so far as it relates to the zone without reading all of the dialogue. Evil guy in the cave summoning something evil, Check will stab/shoot. Also I'm kinda a big deal with the Queen. Besties.

I dig the scenery in the AD zone so far because it's forested, cherry blossom, upbeat looking. I get burned out on death metal album cover zones.
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#412 Apr 08 2014 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm only level 15.

You made it! You didn't delete! Congrats!

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Not really, they

They explained all this, and it makes a whole lot of sense (if you're stoned). When Talos did his thing, because he was so godly, he was able to not only change the appearance going forward, but going back also!

Please pay attention from now on or you will miss other big explanations.

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#413 Apr 08 2014 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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You made it! You didn't delete! Congrats!


I KNOW RIGHT? And now I've got weapon swapping, so there's no looking back. If she's got features she's unhappy with, she's just going to have to live with them like the rest of us.

But I'm still eagerly awaiting any word of a barber shop.
#414 Apr 08 2014 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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Rolled a 2H + Ardent Flame DK Nord. Mostly just wanted to see the Ebonheart area since it was the only one I have not played yet.

It bums me a little bit that I can't join a thieves guild or DB on my NB characters yet. I've never been much for playing every guild on a single character in ES games. Call me a RP softie but I just like to stick to my theme for the character.
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#415 Apr 08 2014 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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I think my biggest problem in terms of finding a build and sticking with it is that the bonuses from Medium armor are too great for melee characters, but it's hard to gather materials to level, and it isn't as aesthetically pleasing as heavy armor.

The min/maxer in me says "Medium all the way", but the pragmatist says "iron ore is easy to find" and the romantic says "plate armor sexy".
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#416 Apr 08 2014 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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They explained all this, and it makes a whole lot of sense (if you're stoned). When Talos did his thing, because he was so godly, he was able to not only change the appearance going forward, but going back also!

Please pay attention from now on or you will miss other big explanations.


I have literally no clue if this is a joke or not. Either way, I'm convulsing.
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#417 Apr 09 2014 at 4:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Demea wrote:

The min/maxer in me says "Medium all the way", but the pragmatist says "iron ore is easy to find" and the romantic says "plate armor sexy".


Well, it seems like most people are doing a 5/2 split on their armor sets, so even if you wanted to go mostly medium, making heavy your chest piece and something else prominent will still achieve the sexy. Smiley: smile

I agree leather is definitely the hardest to find. I kill every wolf I see and it helps. If you have/can find a guildmate crafting something you're not and vice versa, so you exchange all your cloth or wood for their leather, so much the better. My guild is just a small family thing, but we've divvied up all the professions among us for this very reason, and we're leveling our professions much faster for it.
#418 Apr 09 2014 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
I think my biggest problem in terms of finding a build and sticking with it is that the bonuses from Medium armor are too great for melee characters, but it's hard to gather materials to level, and it isn't as aesthetically pleasing as heavy armor.

The min/maxer in me says "Medium all the way", but the pragmatist says "iron ore is easy to find" and the romantic says "plate armor sexy".

There're no appearance slot for clothes?
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#419 Apr 09 2014 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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Level 9, leveling has already gotten tedious, and I seem to be out of quests.
#420 Apr 09 2014 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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They explained all this, and it makes a whole lot of sense (if you're stoned). When Talos did his thing, because he was so godly, he was able to not only change the appearance going forward, but going back also!

Please pay attention from now on or you will miss other big explanations.


I have literally no clue if this is a joke or not. Either way, I'm convulsing.

I feel bad now because I knew that would not sit right with you. Yet, I wish I were clever enough to have thought of that on my own. I read it somewhere.

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#421 Apr 09 2014 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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Level 14.3 on my Bosmer NB archer now. So close to weapon swap! Feeling pretty solid. Got a good workable set of skills. Did several of the level 15 quests while still level 12 earlier. Then after I dinged 13 I went back to an area where there were no NPC's to give out a quest last time I went there and tonight 3 NPC's with quests. Probably a bug last time. Also completed a couple public dungeons for some XP and generally wandered about shooting stuff.

I did have to log out and get a fresh instance/phase for two bugged quests today but was able to complete them after that.
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#422 Apr 10 2014 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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That said, my WoW blood DK called from 2010, and she said soloing a tank is totally fun. Smiley: cool



soloing arena teams was even more fun.
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#423 Apr 10 2014 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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15. Aww yeah.

Edit: also second set is now DW. In this case dual axes because I had a blue and a green one waiting. And axes look sexy on a horned Bosmer. Revenge of the Trees! Also they are good for butchering before eating my enemies. Elf it's whats for dinner.






Edited, Apr 10th 2014 7:25pm by Shojindo
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#424 Apr 10 2014 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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Quick few corrections:

idiggory the Fussy wrote:
Not really, they mostly just move the timeline forward far enough that they can more-or-less do what they want with impunity, as long as they don't directly contradict past events.

Some examples:

In the time when ESO takes place, Cyrodil is supposed to be a massive jungle. When Talos becomes a god, he remakes Cyrodil into the landscape we see in later games. That's significant, as this game takes place 300 years before Talos is born. It's his really big "OH FRICK YEAH I'M A GOD" moment, and this completely erases that from the game.

Imagine Christian mythos in the same context as this. Now imagine that someone just decided the Resurrection didn't happen. It's pretty much that.

This is the change that has a lot of the kinder fans, people actively trying to forgive/ignore every other inconsistency, really pausing. Because it's a huge event in the ES timeline that they just retconned away.


The change might have been retroactive. There are a lot of fan theories on this, like you said. But it's really not cut-and-dry, nothing in the Elder Scrolls lore is.

idiggory the Fussy wrote:
(which is actually because a god merged alternate timelines into one, if I understand correctly, IDK - ES lore gets confusing)


Nah, the Dragon Break you're referring to was a pretty localized section of time. The Warp in the West caused a lot of weird timeline issues, but it's constrained to the three days it happened. The timeline before and after is as intact as you can be when time itself is a literal schizophrenic dragon god.

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But what a lot of fans are taking serious issue with is the fact that:

1. It's being really sloppily done. Everything about this war makes very, very little lore sense in the context of literally anything else in the timeline. So even if it's a dark age and it "could" have happened, it happening would be really weird. The alliances they've set up just make no sense. But they were made because it's all gameplay related. The factions are split by landmass, which is so much less interesting than most ES conflicts, where different races ally and it's very often not about neighbors banding together. Add in the fact that many of these relationships strain credulity...

2. They're being really insensitive about it. Essentially, Zenimax is acting like a little boy. They've been generally really degrading to the longtime fans of the series; people who really invested in the world and its EU. They are really dismissive of peoples' issues with the inconsistencies, and their reactions typically range from "whatever" to "that's stupid anyway."

The EU is a product, and these fans are people who are a big part of providing the revenue for the product (both directly and through brand awareness). It's a shame that Bethesda is the one who is going to take a hit for this, but they made the choice to license the product. /shrug.


Yeah, pretty much agree with this.

Edit: Also, I'm wondering what the hell ALMSIVI, the Tribunal of Morrowind, the three living breathing gods actually on Tamriel are doing during this whole war. Anyone know what Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil are up to? Google is returning zilch.

Edited, Apr 11th 2014 1:17am by IDrownFish
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#425 Apr 11 2014 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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The sad thing is that, while I have little desire to play this game, specifically, as of yet... I can't help but want to buy it so I can use it to show off my new rig. Smiley: frown
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#426 Apr 11 2014 at 6:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's worth it for that alone, Dig - the graphics are really nice. Or maybe I'm just so used to WoW that everything else looks nice. Smiley: wink

I think it's time for me to start over again. I really like the Imperial racials.
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