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#352 Apr 05 2014 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I got both of my first two toons off of the starter areas. Now I cannot decide to try a mage, play my nightblade again or keep going with my DK...

I should probably stick to something eventually right?
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#353 Apr 05 2014 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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People aren't pleased about the stupid pre-authorization thing.
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#354 Apr 05 2014 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you only have $12 dollars in your account maybe buying day 1 expensive video games is not really your best financial choice...

In other news I decided to play my Bosmer NB again and crafted her full armor. I really like the crafting so far. Not being handed a full set of gear made me motivated to wander around and collect stuff and I found quests I would never have found otherwise.
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#355 Apr 05 2014 at 3:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Master Shojindo wrote:
If you only have $12 dollars in your account maybe buying day 1 expensive video games is not really your best financial choice...
Maybe they preordered it a month or so ago, before financial woes hit.
#356 Apr 05 2014 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't the game in early access? So that means they preordered. Might not have paid now.
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#357 Apr 05 2014 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Spoonless wrote:
Master Shojindo wrote:
If you only have $12 dollars in your account maybe buying day 1 expensive video games is not really your best financial choice...
Maybe they preordered it a month or so ago, before financial woes hit.


That could happen. I'm not trying to be a Richard here, I think pre charging the full amount is totally weird/shady. But I also think that you should not be buying day 1 games if you are living on the edge of your finances in general.

idiggory the Fussy wrote:
Isn't the game in early access? So that means they preordered. Might not have paid now.


It's no longer early access after the 4th, it's live. Also I think they extended the grace period for activating your subscription for preorders.

Honestly I don't want to become this games fanboi. I'll most likely play it a month or so like all new MMO's I play. But so far it's been really enjoyable. Surprisingly so after so much bad press. For some reason when I see classic stuff like a dwemer spider pet or a ghostly revisit to a moth priest elder scroll it gives me some weird sense of nostalgia. Even though It was only a few months since my last foray into Skyrim.

/shrug
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#358 Apr 05 2014 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Master Shojindo wrote:

Also the AD starter zone has tons of butterflies. And you can totally catch them ;)

I came back here to say just that. Rolled a mage and took him out and about. Found two chests, a bunch of nirnroot, and something called "The Lady" that I interacted with but have no idea what it did. Maybe tomorrow I'll log in and my guy will be bleary-eyed with a crying baby on his shoulder.

Anyway, yeah I found the butterflies. I'm sad though that they give me bug parts instead of pretty wings. And thanks to both of you, now I have to log out of the mage and roll a DK. I want to thank you so much for putting that into my head. Oh well, that's only four alts. Not bad really, for me. I mean, it's my second day already . . .

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#359 Apr 05 2014 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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cynyck wrote:
Master Shojindo wrote:

Also the AD starter zone has tons of butterflies. And you can totally catch them ;)

I came back here to say just that. Rolled a mage and took him out and about. Found two chests, a bunch of nirnroot, and something called "The Lady" that I interacted with but have no idea what it did. Maybe tomorrow I'll log in and my guy will be bleary-eyed with a crying baby on his shoulder.

Anyway, yeah I found the butterflies. I'm sad though that they give me bug parts instead of pretty wings. And thanks to both of you, now I have to log out of the mage and roll a DK. I want to thank you so much for putting that into my head. Oh well, that's only four alts. Not bad really, for me. I mean, it's my second day already . . .



Smiley: laugh

Yeah DK's are pretty sexy. A lot of ways you can go with them.
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#360 Apr 06 2014 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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Master Shojindo wrote:
That could happen. I'm not trying to be a Richard here, I think pre charging the full amount is totally weird/shady. But I also think that you should not be buying day 1 games if you are living on the edge of your finances in general.

Not such a big deal for the 16 year old living with his parents and paying for the game with their allowance or something.
#361 Apr 06 2014 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Master Shojindo wrote:
If you only have $12 dollars in your account maybe buying day 1 expensive video games is not really your best financial choice...


What difference does that make? Every single MMO I have played that asked me to provide CC or payment information prior to joining has charged me 1-3 dollars to verify the CC. In fact I think pretty much every CC verification I have ever done gaming or otherwise has only charged a few bucks. I think the most was a ~$4 on Paypal when I set it up to connect to my CC.

The trouble is, if I have 12 bucks in my account because I am paid next wednesday, and I fill this out on a Friday, I get dinged for an NSF charge if I don't have over limit allowance (which typically costs extra on an account). So now I get a nice $20 (for me, varies depending on your banks rates) charge that doesn't get reimbursed because for whatever reason Zeni/Bethesda decided to do a full charge verification instead of the $1 charge pretty much every other game/system does.

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FFXI, WOW, Aion, SWTOR, LOTR, EVE, PayPal, Ebay, Rift, and another half dozen games I signed up for but left after the free trial because they were **** and I can't be assed to recall every **** title ive put money into that collects dust as fragments of data on my hard drive.

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#362 Apr 06 2014 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand why they're forcing you to set up a sub before you can access the trial period in the first place.

Or, rather, I do. It's just a sketchy business practice.
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#363 Apr 06 2014 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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I validate your feelings, and will swallow my shame spiral.

Also here is me playing a flute:

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And creeping on a lute playing Alicia Keys:

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#364 Apr 06 2014 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nice horns.
#365 Apr 06 2014 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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Nice horns.


I think there is a joke there somewhere. Smiley: nod


Edited, Apr 6th 2014 1:03pm by Shojindo
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#366 Apr 06 2014 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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idiggory the Fussy wrote:
I don't understand why they're forcing you to set up a sub before you can access the trial period in the first place.

Or, rather, I do. It's just a sketchy business practice.


Most MMOs online services do that. It's nothing new.
#367 Apr 06 2014 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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I know it's not something new to online services in general, but it IS something that's atypical of MMOs.
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#368 Apr 06 2014 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory the Fussy wrote:
I know it's not something new to online services in general, but it IS something that's atypical of MMOs.


It's totally weird and it was a heated topic today in zone chat. I got no dog in this fight, i just play video games. Hopefully they don't continue to make such bad PR choices.

In other news man leveling is slow. Getting to level 10 on my NB was like a big thing, still having fun though. :)
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#369 Apr 06 2014 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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What have you guys been seeing as far as healing builds go? Templar with resto staff?
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#370 Apr 06 2014 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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What have you guys been seeing as far as healing builds go? Templar with resto staff?


I've been playing mostly solo but a person whispered me about how sweet morphed siphoning was on NB. Seems to work great solo. YMMV in groups though.
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#371 Apr 07 2014 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Templar is the obvious choice for a healer because of the skill line, but I'm seeing a lot of discussions that are moving away from that - it's always going to be a solid choice, but the other classes have a lot to offer as well. Earthen heart line for DK's, siphoning line for nightblades... I'm sure something for the sorcerer... everyone's got some support capabilities to customize your healer with. You can only have five skills on your bar at a time, and the resto staff will take care of most of your healing skill needs, so you've got a lot of freedom with class choice assuming you're using the staff. If you don't want to use the staff, then yeah, templar is it.

I haven't tried healing yet despite having played a healer for a long time elsewhere. It's going to be very different in this game, particularly with the addon API decisions they've made - you won't be able to have your interface tell you when your HoT or buff on an ally has expired. You haven't got targeted heals (they're all smart heals or AOE's), and because resource management is very different here, you won't be able to spam spells period, so you can't have a hundred percent uptime on healing. People have to get used to dodging, blocking, and getting out of the bad, and not expect to be able to ignore their health bar and assume you're taking care of it. Healers will also have to get used to healing not being the only thing they do, and have more awareness of the overall fight and how they can contribute to it besides keeping health bars up. I think it'll be a lot of fun, but frankly, I think it'll be a pain in the bum until the population gets educated enough for pugs not to be all OMG HEALZ U SUX Y U NO SAV ME. I'm waiting until the learning curve has a chance to do its thing a bit. Smiley: wink
#372 Apr 07 2014 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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Healing in this game was reminding me of healing in GW2, and I did not like that at all. I really, REALLY hope it doesn't turn out like that.
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#373 Apr 07 2014 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Someone on Reddit made a thread asking how ESO is. Responses are not positive.

Here's the top post in that thread for those who can't be bothered to click a link, it's spoilered because it's Gbaji sized.
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The game is interesting, but is drowning in bugs. There's also quite a lot of inconsistency with story, NPC dialogue, and events that the player takes place in. To give a little insight as to why. Before the last 3 beta events, ESO placed you in a starting zone like any other MMORPG. This depended on your faction choice. Stros M'kai, Bleakrock, etc.

You would follow through the quests there and eventually end up in the mainland, where the actual game took place. About a few weeks before the game released, they completely scrapped this idea and made the player START in the main land, by passing the starter zones completely. Of course, this broke all the dialogue and new dialogue had to be written and recorded in less than 2 weeks before the full release.

By the time the game released, the Prophet (Voiced by Michael Gambon), had some of his dialogue changed to reflect the new decision to allow the player the ability to optionally return to the starting zone rather than start there. Unfortunately, he was given a new voice actor instead of Michael Gambon and sounds completely awkward and out of place. After his initial dialogue explaining your return to tamriel with the new actor, he goes back to Michael Gambon. It reeks of a shoddy job, but it doesn't get better until after you've progressed past all the starting areas.

If the player adventures into how they were saved, they'll meet a new NPC that was added a week before release. This NPC helps you get back to the original starting zones. If you return to the starting zones; however.. The player will find out that the NPC dialogues and quests have not be fixed. The result is the player is in a "Time Bubble" where NPCs recognize the player as being saved as if the Starting zones were still mandatory. Dialogue and quests are performed with the player being told their origin story is completely wrong from how it truly happened, leaving the player feeling as if they aren't part of the world.

Should you choose to never return to the starting zones at all (And miss Skyshards, a form of permanent character advacement), you still get dialogue proclaiming yourself as a savior to the starting zones you have never even visited.

The dialogue is a total mess in ESO, and for story-driven players like myself you'll find yourself sick to your stomach each time you hear a NPC proclaim you a hero for something you've never even done yet.

But let's bullet point some of the problems.

- Dungeons aren't instanced and are heavily camped by bots and players. You can walk through the entire dungeon never fighting a single enemy. In fact, the vast majority of dungeons are this way. Most times you'll wait with at least 10+ other people in hopes of damaging the boss enough to get loot, or to update your quest progress. EDIT: This only applies to Public Dungeons

- Some quests are beyond bugged, requiring you to logout to get another "Phase" area. All you can do is hope you get a new server area that isn't bugged.

- The FOV is locked at a sickeningly low amount that even I get nauseated and I have never ever gotten nauseated in a First-person game in my entire life.

- Story and Dialogue events are completely inconsistent with actual events taking place.

- Bank space and inventory management are completely and utterly a nightmare. There's more items than there is room and even the most stringent of players will find themselves discarding the most precious of items to make room for what is needed.

- Deleting your character will remove all rewards and pre-order bonuses like treasure maps and pets. (They are in the process of fixing this, I understand).

- Bugs will cause your bank to reset any upgrades you've added to it and you can sometimes lose all your items without warning. You can read more about this bug in the subreddit.

- You will constantly fall through the world, or get stuck in permanent loading screens. For instance, logging out in Cyrodiil (An open World PvP area) can prevent you from logging in again if the area is full. The only way is to contact a GM to have yourself moved.

- As with all faction based games, one faction dominates the PvP portion of the game. This may even out later since race is locked to faction for people who did not pre-order, but for now it's pretty obvious the game is unbalanced in that regard.

- Upgrading armor "tiers" is completely RNG. You get stones for which to change your gear's tier color. "White > Green > Blue > Purple > Orange". If you use only one stone, your chance to upgrade is abyssmal. It's 5% per orange stone, meaning you'd need 20 stones to 100% upgrade an item. What happens if you fail? the item is destroyed. That's something I'd expect from a F2P game, honestly. The great thing about it is you can upgrade any item to legendary quality (the highest quality) so if you're rich, or lucky, or persistent, you can upgrade your gear as you see fit.

- To be honest, I wouldn't recommend ESO until after they make changes. Sure, the game has its moments. The fact you can just do whatever you want without chain quests dragging you from continent to continent is pretty nice, and what quests there are have some interesting bits to them, but unless they fix the dialogue problems, the bugs with banking, the inventory game, and the broken quests and events, then I would wait on ESO. If you do choose to play ESO, you will find that the later parts of the game the the dialogue between NPCs and the player, etc are more consistent. You'll also find a ton of easter eggs and delightful things to hunt down. Even becoming a werewolf or Vampire is something fun and exciting to do and completely changes the way you view your character. Also, you can find powerful motifs that let you craft some really cool looking armor. Of course, the ability to upgrade armor is a pain in the butt..
#374 Apr 07 2014 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory the Fussy wrote:
Healing in this game was reminding me of healing in GW2, and I did not like that at all. I really, REALLY hope it doesn't turn out like that.


I've played both games and although I haven't healed in ESO yet, I don't see them as the same at all. GW2 really didn't have proper healing, or a healer role. ESO hasn't got traditional heal-spam whack-a-mole and it hasn't got a lot of complicated healing mechanics, so it may fall short of what some healers would hope for, but it's still healing done by healers. The trinity works a bit differently, but it's still very much there and I get the sense it's quite necessary for success on the harder content.

And Aeth, they hate everything at r/games. Smiley: nod There are some people who are determined to hate ESO, as there always are with any new title. Some of them have actually played it and have valid points. Some of them are just mouth-frothing fanboys of some other game and caught up in that weird competitive MMO thing where if you love your game it means you have to hate all others. Some are just complainers because they're grouchy and need a nice shot of bourbon.

Half the fun of a new launch is watching the passion with which people will either attack or defend it. Personally, I like ESO a lot, at the moment, and I'll read forums and discuss it the way I'll discuss pretty much anything during business hours to avoid, you know, doing my actual job, but it's not like I have stock in the company.
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And Aeth, they hate everything at r/games. Smiley: nod There are some people who are determined to hate ESO, as there always are with any new title. Some of them have actually played it and have valid points. Some of them are just mouth-frothing fanboys of some other game and caught up in that weird competitive MMO thing where if you love your game it means you have to hate all others. Some are just complainers because they're grouchy and need a nice shot of bourbon.
It's almost like MMO's are a religion and yours being right means everyone else's has to be wrong.

That said, ESO does make the impression on me that it's been released too soon. I think they would've been better off waiting a month or two to iron out as many bugs as possible and use the time to build up some hype for the game. Right now there's still plenty of bugs and the myriad of bugs from the beta are still fresh in everyone's mind.
#376 Apr 07 2014 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's almost like MMO's are a religion and yours being right means everyone else's has to be wrong.


That's actually not far from the truth. MMOs need a large subscriber base to remain viable. Anyone who is playing an MMO that isn't your pet pony is a lost customer. So it's better to denigrate and debase new games while singing the praises of your own older game.

Personally, though, I'm hoping that ESO will clean out some of the jerks from XIV. Smiley: lol
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