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#1 Aug 29 2013 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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This horrible, horrible monstrosity.

I mean... wtf, Nintendo?

But this made me burst out laughing.

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I might as well just go ahead and give a big "Huh?" to the name. Isn't Nintendo actively dumping millions into marketing and ad campaigns just to get people to understand that the Wii U is not a Wii peripheral? So they thought renaming their handheld console within the same generation was a good idea?

It's not like all those games are going to have "Nintendo 3DS" on their bindings, or anything...

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I don't see the problem. It looks like a modestly priced handheld that plays current generation games and would be suitable for budget-minded people or those with kids. Within its niche, the lack of 3D could be a boon; people who feel that they're overplaying for gimmicks they don't want or parents uneasy about the effects of the 3D on their kids' eyes, headaches, etc. The idea behind it doesn't strike me as significantly different than the stripped down Xbox and PS3 models that get released for the budget conscious.

While the name seems a step back, it immediately conveys that you're not getting the 3D effect and I can't think of a better name that would sound more advanced and yet let you know right out of the box what its capabilities are. Doesn't Nintendo have a pretty tight grasp on game publication? I'd expect newer printings of cartridges would say 3DS/2DS or something similar. After all, people want to sell their cartridges to the widest available audience.

The lack of folding doesn't strike me as outrageous in a world where people regularly let their kids play on their tablets and smart phones. Maybe you should get ahead of the curve and design a sleeve for it with a flip top for protection, tablet style. I'll accept 5% of your pull for giving you the idea.

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I mostly agree with Joph here. Although my first reaction was similar to iDiggory's, when I stopped to think about it for a second I realized that this is probably exactly what a lot of people who have avoided the 3DS want. The lack of folding is offputting to me, sure, but I imagine most of the people this is appealing to won't care as much. I expect Nintendo will see a good number of sales of these for the holiday season, as long as they can advertise it well (which they have been pretty bad at with this latest generation tbh...)
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It looks like a handheld I had in the 80s. Beyond that it's just a 3ds that doesn't play in 3d. Personally I don't really play my 3ds in 3d anyway.
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I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.
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Maybe. Although the Wii U suffered (I believe) because the name didn't suggest that it was a significant upgrade from the Wii. So people weren't excited by it since everyone and their duck owns a Wii these days and didn't know why they'd buy the same product twice.

The 2DS isn't an upgrade from the 3DS, it's a somewhat stripped down variant model of the same product. If you own a 3DS you wouldn't want one of these. But if you don't, this might entice you.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.


It worked well enough for the Wii.
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GodDAMMIT would they just friggin' put a right thumbstick on there by default already?

Also, I never use the 3D on my 3DS. If I didn't have one already, this might interest me, though I don't like the button positioning with relation to the screens, and not being able to fold it is annoying as well.

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I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.


It worked well enough for the Wii.


I think you missed the point of my post?

This isn't about its name being weird, its about the name being confusing product-wise.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.


It worked well enough for the Wii.


I think you missed the point of my post?

This isn't about its name being weird, its about the name being confusing product-wise.


I don't think it'll make a difference. They're marketing to parents with young children who will likely break the thing, so price point is the biggest factor.
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I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.


It worked well enough for the Wii.


I think you missed the point of my post?

This isn't about its name being weird, its about the name being confusing product-wise.


I don't think it'll make a difference. They're marketing to parents with young children who will likely break the thing, so price point is the biggest factor.


Yes, but they need those customers to understand what the device is. Meaning, that it is simply a 3DS without a 3D option. But it PLAYS 3DS games. But it's called the 2DS.

Considering a year (or whatever) past launch, Nintendo is still doing everything it can to make people understand that their new console is not a Wii peripheral, and does not play Wii games, I definitely would not be downplaying that aspect from a marketing perspective.

And it's not like this is simple. You have DS games, DS XL games (or whatever that thing was called), 3DS games, and now 3DS/2DS games...
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But this made me burst out laughing.
It's a valid question.

And it has a stylus thingy, oh joy. That works well for the first day, until someone loses it under the couch and then it's back to using the fingers and stuff.
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Good concept, bad execution.

Many people don't use the 3D anyway so a significantly cheaper system without the gimmick is a great idea. The problem is that it looks huge, and incredibly uncomfortable to hold and play.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:


Considering a year (or whatever) past launch, Nintendo is still doing everything it can to make people understand that their new console is not a Wii peripheral, and does not play Wii games.


Off topic, but this just isn't true. Yes, there is a huge perception issue on what exactly the WII U is, but they aren't doing sh*t about. I haven't seen a single commercial for the Wii U, ever. Not even back when it was released. Hell, I haven't even seen an ad for a single Wii U game. For some reason Nintendo just isn't advertising the thing, which is one of the major reasons why nobody is buying it.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.


It worked well enough for the Wii.


I think you missed the point of my post?

This isn't about its name being weird, its about the name being confusing product-wise.


I don't think it'll make a difference. They're marketing to parents with young children who will likely break the thing, so price point is the biggest factor.


Yes, but they need those customers to understand what the device is. Meaning, that it is simply a 3DS without a 3D option. But it PLAYS 3DS games. But it's called the 2DS.

Considering a year (or whatever) past launch, Nintendo is still doing everything it can to make people understand that their new console is not a Wii peripheral, and does not play Wii games, I definitely would not be downplaying that aspect from a marketing perspective.

And it's not like this is simple. You have DS games, DS XL games (or whatever that thing was called), 3DS games, and now 3DS/2DS games...


This is a different situation. The Wii U was made to replace the Wii. The 2DS is meant to supplement the 3DS.
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And it's not like this is simple. You have DS games, DS XL games (or whatever that thing was called), 3DS games, and now 3DS/2DS games...

I don't think it's that complex. You have "DS" games playable by the DS/DS XL and 3DS games playable by the 3DS & 2DS. That's only two tiers of games.

Even if the 3DS can play older DS games (I have no idea) it's still not complicated. You still have two tiers of games and the high end handhelds can play both tiers.
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I have never been able to use my 3DS in 3D. It makes me sick every single time.
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When I first saw this thing, I saw "cheaper 3DS without the 3D" and was all over it.

Then I saw the picture of it.

Honestly, I don't care how it looks so much (though it's pretty freakin' ugly). I care more that it's not compactable at all. I can't fold it up and stick it in a pocket or a backpack - something that's pretty important to me as a university student.
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I'm trying to get past how ugly it is, and failing.

I'd be all over a cheap 3DS without 3D... if it looked like a 3DS with 3D.
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Couldn't tell you about the 3DS but I never met a school-age kid with a DS that had its hinges intact. A solid body sounds attractive to me.
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Really? I've never seen a broken one in person.
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Weird. Not that I'm dealing with a statistically significant sample size but the ones I've seen all got dropped at some point, landed on a corner and the hinge cracks/pops out. My son's was repaired with a shaved down Lego, a little glue and one of those padded Nerf cases to keep it all together.
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Weird. Not that I'm dealing with a statistically significant sample size but the ones I've seen all got dropped at some point, landed on a corner and the hinge cracks/pops out. My son's was repaired with a shaved down Lego, a little glue and one of those padded Nerf cases to keep it all together.


Smiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lol

To be fair, I don't think I've seen anyone younger than 9, minimum, with one.

Then again, the number of those kids who have iphones is absurd, and I can only imagine the importance of not throwing around delicate electronics has been drilled into them. Or at least hope...
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Then again, the number of those kids who have iphones is absurd, and I can only imagine the importance of not throwing around delicate electronics has been drilled into them. Or at least hope...
If I ever have kids, they'll have cellphones, but they'll be Nokia bricks, and they'll like it. They can play Snake.
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I'm solving that problem by never having kids. Smiley: schooled
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Then again, the number of those kids who have iphones is absurd, and I can only imagine the importance of not throwing around delicate electronics has been drilled into them.
My new cell phone is the first electronic product I've ever bought the little warranty that they're always pimping out.
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Then again, the number of those kids who have iphones is absurd, and I can only imagine the importance of not throwing around delicate electronics has been drilled into them.
My new cell phone is the first electronic product I've ever bought the little warranty that they're always pimping out.


Ditto on that. A year ago, actually.

At the same time, I'm really careful with my devices. This June I got the first scratch on my phone's screen protector. I'm still using the first one, and it's still clear, and it has been on since last August...
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I've had phones and game systems survive warzones, man. But a four year old? They're doomed. Doooooooomed.
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My niece pulled a good seven+ keys off of my parents' laptop. I shuddered when I saw it.

And from that moment on, I was careful to never have it anywhere even remotely in reach of her ever again...
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Then again, the number of those kids who have iphones is absurd, and I can only imagine the importance of not throwing around delicate electronics has been drilled into them. Or at least hope...
If I ever have kids, they'll have cellphones, but they'll be Nokia bricks, and they'll like it. They can play Snake.
How well do those do against falling in toilets? Because Kyocera makes one that's waterproof up to a certain depth(a couple feet, iirc).
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Re; Broken DS's.

My brother (39) has had his DS hinges break 2 times and had a modder swap cases for him twice! So yeah. Common problem if there's modders that will fix the problem for a price.

As for me, I just got a 3DS not too long ago. Very happy with that, I think the 2DS is ugly and even harder to carry than the 3DS, so I'll keep it..not to mention I'm catching up on old DS games I missed by being broke since it plays both (Don't laugh. I'm pausing due to having to save for Christmas which is a big deal, but I own 2 3DS games and 1 DS game now (I won't count Personal Trainer Walking as a game))

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Couldn't tell you about the 3DS but I never met a school-age kid with a DS that had its hinges intact. A solid body sounds attractive to me.

My experience is the opposite. I've only ever seen one break once, and it still worked afterward even with the broken hinge. IMO you're more likely to break a screen than the hinge. Nintendo hardware is rock solid.
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Oh, the broken hinge ones I've seen worked. They just had to be carefully opened so the top wouldn't flop off (hanging on by the ribbon cable) and you couldn't open them 3/4s or anything. Either it was closed or flipped 180 degrees. Like I said, putting it into a 3rd party case helped hold it together since the case had its own hinges.

We'll have to differ on our definitions of "rock solid" although, again, I'm just giving anecdote. I'm not basing this off service records or anything.
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We'll have to differ on our definitions of "rock solid" although, again, I'm just giving anecdote.

My assessment comes from seeing systems hit pavement, get chewed on by dogs, dropped in toilets, etc, and keep going with nothing more than a few scratches on the casing.
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when i first saw a meme about that thing i thought i was a @#%^ing idiot for calling it a ds all this time.
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I'm mostly worried about the naming issue. Because, if the Wii U has proved anything, it's that marketing to a primarily casual, non-gamer population with really confusing naming conventions is really, really not going to work well.


Yeah. Also, I am not sure this will sell. I don't know, recently I was hanging out with a 5 year old and they really wanted to be able to play my 3DS but they were so used to touch screens they kept trying to touch the top screen and they could not deal with the buttons at all (they play games on a phone with no problem at all)

They had heard of mario and really wanted to be able to play a mario game but it just confused the heck out of him.

Anyway, I just feel like parents are going to be looking for something that can play angry birds this Christmas season.

Also on the whole rock solid thing, my girlfriend broke my fat DS (that I got as part of a 30 dollar box of semi working, hideously engraved gameboys) when she stretched her arm out to embrace me once... which is to say... yeah ok "rock solid"

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Honestly, I just wish this was a 3DS that looked like a 3DS and cut costs by cutting out the awful 3D.

I don't need to look like I'm playing with a LeapFrog tablet...

With the price cut in the Vita, Nintendo finally has some competition in the mobile department. I feel like they released a new console to appeal to the target demographic they didn't need to worry about, when they could have released the same concept in the normal flip design to really challenge the Vita's price drop.
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I don't need to look like I'm playing with a LeapFrog tablet...

People judging you for playing Super Pokemon Kart on the bus are going to do so whether you're playing on a LeapFrog or a 3DS. No one's ever said "Look at that dork playing kiddie video gam--- oh, wait.. he has a super mature PS Vita. Never mind then!" Smiley: laugh
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According to Sankaku the 2DS is a single screen and weighs more than a 3DS.
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I don't need to look like I'm playing with a LeapFrog tablet...

People judging you for playing Super Pokemon Kart on the bus are going to do so whether you're playing on a LeapFrog or a 3DS. No one's ever said "Look at that dork playing kiddie video gam--- oh, wait.. he has a super mature PS Vita. Never mind then!" Smiley: laugh


I care more about judging myself. Smiley: lol
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I actually plan to buy one. I'm a budget minded individual with kids who felt Nintendo was overplaying their gimmicks I didn't want.

Honestly though, my wife and I need a platform to play Pokemon X/Y on and the idea of giving myself a headache with "3D" put me off enough to never want to get a 3DS. I don't care how ugly it is. Who actually takes their portable handhelds out in public anyway?
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I don't care how ugly it is, but the orientation of the buttons and the lack of ability to tilt the top screen from the bottom make it a no-go for me.
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I actually plan to buy one. I'm a budget minded individual with kids who felt Nintendo was overplaying their gimmicks I didn't want.

Honestly though, my wife and I need a platform to play Pokemon X/Y on and the idea of giving myself a headache with "3D" put me off enough to never want to get a 3DS. I don't care how ugly it is. Who actually takes their portable handhelds out in public anyway?


You can turn the 3D off. I pretty much never use it.
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Who actually takes their portable handhelds out in public anyway?
I've been totally hoodwinked. I was led to believe that the main purpose of the handheld was so you play games away from home without having to drag your console/tv/controllers out in public with you.

Why else would they make it so small?
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Who actually takes their portable handhelds out in public anyway?

Why wouldn't you? I pull out my 3DS on trains, in cafes, etc all the time. Playing anywhere is the entire point of a handheld system.
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Standing in line trying to get into a venue at a music festival? Great time to play. Sitting on a bus? Great time to play. Having a quick lunch break at work? Great time to play. This is the whole point of portable gaming systems.
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#47 Sep 04 2013 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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Karlina wrote:
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Who actually takes their portable handhelds out in public anyway?

Why wouldn't you? I pull out my 3DS on trains, in cafes, etc all the time. Playing anywhere is the entire point of a handheld system.


I don't know. Typically when I go somewhere I do not find myself idle long enough to have time to play games with. I suppose I could buy a 2DS and go hang out at the laundry mat for an evening and hope I'm not in anyone's way.
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#48 Sep 04 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Kuwoobie wrote:
Karlina wrote:
Kuwoobie wrote:
Who actually takes their portable handhelds out in public anyway?

Why wouldn't you? I pull out my 3DS on trains, in cafes, etc all the time. Playing anywhere is the entire point of a handheld system.


I don't know. Typically when I go somewhere I do not find myself idle long enough to have time to play games with.


Pretty much this.
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