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#1 Jun 10 2013 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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#2 Jun 11 2013 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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This confused me a bit. Is it FFXV or FF Versus XIII?
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#3 Jun 11 2013 at 7:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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It was Versus XIII, but they decided to get lazy and rename it to XV. Now they don't have to create a new entry in the series till next year.
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Well, if the rumors Kotaku reported months ago are true, what actually happened is that Versus was essentially scrapped, but its assets were imported into the existing FFV project. This allowed them to rebuild the game on their next gen engine, and be free of the brand constraints of the Fabula Crystal whatever line of games. So they can go new places with the story, don't necessarily have to use all the assets they designed for the Fabula line, etc.

And from what I'm seeing, I like it. I was always looking forward to the gritty style of the game.

Plus, anyone who hated the extreme turn towards theology that FFXIII took, this will likely be good news. It seems to be all about political conflicts, first and foremost, and less about divine intervention in human life. I miss the days where a lot of FF games were really about the things that people could do to each other, and for all the varied reasons behind them.

I liked FFXIII. I think it's exploration into humanities response to the conflict of Sisyphus to be really interesting. But at the end of the day, FF games are more interesting to me when mankind is to blame for mankind's woes.
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Neat, thanks for the explanations. I will say that I was impressed with both the graphics and the gameplay so hopefully it can live up to the hype it's building.
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#6 Jun 11 2013 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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That IS all rumor, to be 100% clear about that. But it's a believable rumor, particularly now that FFXV has been announced. I do feel like the art style has taken a slightly new direction (more "real" and less "fantasy," for lack of better words), and it's not surprising they took this opportunity, if the new engine supports larger environments and platforming in ways the old one wouldn't.

Right now, they just need to deal with the fallout from first announcing the game 6 years ago. Smiley: lol They really should have given more background into that process at the event, imo, but maybe SE has their own E3 presentation where they'll be discussing that.
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Anyone I've talked to who is not a long time fan of Final Fantasy can't understand why they keep doing so many titles of the same number in the first place (FFX, X-2, XIII-1,2,3, Versus XIII). So again, I really don't see why people are throwing up such a fuss about them changing the name.
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People can't understand why they're cashing in on their bestselling games to release sequels that are guaranteed profits?

The people you speak with are oblivious.
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The whole series IP in general is of the cash cow nature.
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People can't understand why they're cashing in on their bestselling games to release sequels that are guaranteed profits?
There seems to be this unnatural disconnect with gamers that seem confused as to why a company would favor profits. "Oh my God, I don't get why this game I didn't like but sold hundreds of millions of copies is getting a sequel! Everyone who I talk to (Note: Mostly people with similar opinions; Hence why they talk in the first place) didn't like it either!"
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Actually after 13/14 A lot of people are leery of the brand. 13 sold a ton but fan reviews mostly hated it, we all know about 14. SE needs a good game as the next one. I think they saw what Versus was shaping up to be and said this is good enough to be a main line game lets rebrand it so that people think its going to be really good again.

for the record I bought 13 day 1 beat it and while I didnt find it the best I found it to be good enough. Certainly better than 2

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#12 Jun 11 2013 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The people you speak with are oblivious.
Just as a fun aside the Mrs. hurried that clip over to me last night all excited and everything. We watched and discussed it and what not (It does look pretty cool).

Then she said "I never knew Square was a Japanese company."

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#13 Jun 11 2013 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFXIII sold 6.6 million copies, and people were ******** about it online from the moment came out. FFXIII-2 sold... 3 million? I'd guess that Lightning Returns, which actually is looking pretty cool, will sell at least 2 million.

If you have 2 million people willing to buy THREE games it was a huge success. For comparison, Mass Effect 3 sold 1.5 million copies.

FFXIV is a MMO, and really shouldn't be used as a comparison. No one was thinking about XI when XII was being released.

If FFXV is anywhere near to that level of success, SE is going to be in a really strong position to move forward.

Really loud people ******** on the internet about how it wasn't FFVIII-2 aren't the core demographic anymore. SE is going to design and sell games that will sell now, not games that would sell well in 1998. That's the reality.

The vocal crowd are generally the people who WERE playing FF games in 1998. And SE isn't interested in abandoning them, but they also aren't interested in losing massive profits by serving them exclusively. They'll try to find a happy middle.

Either way, their goal is to sell the most games possible.
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Thing is this is the same company that felt 2.2 Mil for Tomb Raider and 1.7 mil for Sleeping dogs was bad.
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Trailer looks nice. And it inspired me to start playing XIII-2 again. It's time I finished it.

Weren't there some rumors about a HD remake of X a while back?
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Im actually looking forward to that. I liked 10 and the International version has more content (Dark Aoens, Harder Sphere grids, etc.)

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Weren't there some rumors about a HD remake of X a while back?


It's no rumor. They mentioned it in E3, and they showed Auron from FFX in the montage.

FFX/X2 is being remastered and released later this year for the PS3. It's available for preorder now.
Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix, Re:Chain of Memories, and the cutscenes from 358/2 days are being remastered and released for the PS3 later this year as well. Also available for pre-order, and you get a free KH artbook with it if you preorder. Under the name "Kingdom Hearts 1.5". I believe "2.5" is slated for PS3 release as well, KH2 Final Mix, supposedly remastered Birth by Sleep, and Re:Coded movies, similar to the 1.5 setup.
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I haven't played an FF game since VII. If you had to pick one to play what would it be. (preferably current gen if thats even possible).
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#23 Jun 11 2013 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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This looks more like a crappy action adventure game than an RPG, I'll pass. SE hasn't been able to release a decent FF game since 10 and this looks like it'll be the worst attempt yet.
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hah, cool. i could just run that on my tablet.
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This looks more like a crappy action adventure game than an RPG, I'll pass. SE hasn't been able to release a decent FF game since 10 and this looks like it'll be the worst attempt yet.


Looks to me like a Kingdom Hearts gameplay style.
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I haven't played an FF game since VII. If you had to pick one to play what would it be. (preferably current gen if thats even possible).
IX or X

Does Lost Odyssey count?
If you want current-gen... could you wait until FFXV?

I guess, though, if you really want current-gen and not online, then XIII and XIII-2 are your only options.
XIII isn't terrible, but there is a 20 hour tutorial, which is where most of the complaints come from. The reviews were favorable on this one.
XIII-2 is a little better, but tends to go in the opposite direction. It's more open, but this makes things too disconnected as well. It's a sequel, but there is some background, so you're not completely lost if you were to pick this one up.

Usually XII is kind of thrown in there too, but this was for the PS2. It is pretty much offline-FFXI using FFX characters. I found most of the game enjoyable for a while, but I thought the quality dropped significantly near the end.



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This looks more like a crappy action adventure game than an RPG, I'll pass. SE hasn't been able to release a decent FF game since 10 and this looks like it'll be the worst attempt yet.
Looks to me like a Kingdom Hearts gameplay style.
After Versus was announced years ago, all I ever remember hearing was Versus = FF + KH.

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Does Lost Odyssey count?
If you want current-gen... could you wait until FFXV?


Who are you talking to? I don't know how to answer your question "Does Lost Odyssey count?". Lost Odyssey wasn't a Square Enix project. It was Mistwalker, the company that did Blue Dragon.
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Does Lost Odyssey count?
If you want current-gen... could you wait until FFXV?
Who are you talking to? I don't know how to answer your question "Does Lost Odyssey count?". Lost Odyssey wasn't a Square Enix project. It was Mistwalker, the company that did Blue Dragon.
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This very same person produced FFIX, which was suggested to whoever was asking. The game is basically FF in every way but name, hence the question. It's also closer to what could be considered "current-gen" than FFIX.

The idea is that the newer games are probably not the best and this would be a better alternative.

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Suggested to me? Smiley: confused
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Suggested to me? Smiley: confused
I spent far too long editing the first post then ended up with a slow, 8 minute reply Smiley: frown

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I completely missed the question, and the lack of a quote in the first post made me have no idea what the context of the question was.
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FFIX seems to be love-it or loathe-it. I just can't get interested in it, at all.

FFVII has one of the best stories, but it's definitely a dated game.

FFVIII interested me... until it went batsh*t crazy and nothing made sense ever again. Well, it lost me before that, but still. I could never really get into its characters. Squall is vastly more interesting in the KH series than he is in FFVIII, unfortunately.

FFX is still near and dear to my heart. I love the game, I'll always love the game, it's hard for me to find any fault in the game at all. Disclaimer: I'm sure I'm blinded here, so don't take my word for it.

FFXII could have been great, and some people DO hail it as one of the greatest FF games, but IMO it has three major problems. 1, it really should have been a launch title for this generation. The environments are large and beautiful, but there's some odd sound compression issues. 2, you can't quite connect to the characters. Vaan (the lead) is really meant to be a representative of the common man in an otherwise global, political conflict. But it ends up being that he's more a narrator watching the story unfold with the other characters (who are universally more important - except Penelo, I suppose). 3, its pacing isn't well managed. There's far, far more grinding than it has any right to expect of a player.

That said, it also has one of the best combat systems in the entire series (I like FFX-2 and FFXIII's more, but still).

FFXIII might be another love-it or hate-it one. I really enjoyed the game. It's absurdly beautiful, obviously. But I thought the characters were some of the most well-written in any game I've played. But I've gotten into LONG debates in this very forum with people who argue the opposite. All I can tell you is I found that the characters changed and grew over time in a very organic, meaningful way.

The plot is interesting, if you're willing to invest in it, and far more confusing than it should be if you are not. It's also a story of your party getting manipulated by MANY interested players, which keeps it hard to find a firm place to figure things out.

But I thought the combat system was great. It's fast paced, it's difficult. You only play one character, but you generally manage the roles of the other two. That said, the difference between keeping tight control of what roles they're using and not bothering at all is massive.

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Thing is this is the same company that felt 2.2 Mil for Tomb Raider and 1.7 mil for Sleeping dogs was bad.


That's a pretty severe twisting of words and dismissal of core concepts.

The sales expectations are in line with what they expect on the ROI of their expenditures. Tomb Raider's numbers (3.6 mil btw), are awesome for sales. But they're low for the sheer amount of money they dumped into the game with advertising and development.

Meanwhile, the sales expectations for FFXIII were 5 million, and SE sold 1.6 million more than that.

At the end of the day, it's relative. You can sell 4 million games and have it be an ungodly success, you can sell 4 million games and have it be an abysmal failure.

But the thing to remember is that sales goals are actually goals. Failure to meet them doesn't mean failure, it means failure to make the product as profitable as they expected it to be. But since these companies aren't dumping 100 million into a game with sales goals of 10% profits, that's really not an issue. For every dollar they spent on Tomb Raider, they probably made at least $2 in profit.
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Is it one of those unwritten forum rules that any thread mentioning final fantasy has to have a "which one is best debate?" Smiley: rolleyes

Can't go wrong with anything in the PS2 era. If I had to pick one it'd be FFX, but I wouldn't finish it because then I'd be sad. Smiley: frown
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Dirge of Cerberus?
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Ok If were listing FF's

1 Basic Boring Beat it On nintendo and PSP remake

2- I hated this things combat system it just ugh

3- Never played *yet*

4- Fun game overall good, really liked the story and characters.

5- Havent played through it all my save corrupted about half way through

6- One of the best FF's story wise, tons of characters and secrets and pretty open after WoR happens

7- OK First 3D, Awesome music,Memorable characters, Interesting take on the magic/ability system. Overall I liked it and had a ton of fun, but after going back its really easy.

8- GF system was frustrating, Main character was a wall personality wise. THe draw system was grindy as ****. Not terrible but not great

9 Not a bad game but the combat is really slow, I have a hard time getting into this one because of that reason. The characters are pretty predictable but I liked it overall.

10- Great story, great leap in graphics, love the combat system. One of the Best

10-2 Dress spheres, nuff said, Its easy (Dark knight sphere hold x win). The true ending was WAY to hard to get, It was completely Guide dang it!

11- Online game, sucks lives steals souls etc

12- Like Dig said Like FF11 offline the story is pretty meh I dont remember a ton of stuff and i found the game easy if you werent a complete moron at setting up the AI.

13- Was ok but not awesome, The tutorial took way to long, the game felt cramped and corridor-y. Bosses were actually pretty challenging.

13-2 put the disk in and never played the game once


My rating is 6>10>7>9=8>4>12>13>1>2
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When you do, get the DS remake. They change the characters to actually give them backgrounds, rather than four generic characters you have at the beginning of the game. The overall story is pretty much the same, but the characters are integrated into the story much better.
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Lets move on to more important things: Kingdom Hearts 3!
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Well, here's a video of FFXV gameplay. So how about that?
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=LBilT83Uq4A#!]

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Okay, I have no clue how to get that to work.

Also, KH3 is going to be cross-platform with XBone. So there's that.
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Well, here's a video of FFXV gameplay. So how about that?
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=LBilT83Uq4A#!]

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game play does look bad ***.

I'venot played all the way through 13. These characters in 15 ... are linked to 13's? Or Not now?
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Okay, I have no clue how to get that to work.

Also, KH3 is going to be cross-platform with XBone. So there's that.


Meh. Xbox i going to need all it can to get people to buy it. As I watched the trailer above I was talking to my bro...he says "man xbox one look so awesome..or so I was told."
I googled imaged it for him... Looks like the VCR sitting right next to my TV lol

Edit add: @2:41...that looks fun.
Leviathan at the end looks dope.

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I've not played all the way through 13. These characters in 15 ... are linked to 13's? Or Not now?
XV and XIII are not related, so no prior knowledge is required.


After FFX, SE got some grand idea to try and create FF universes which led to FFX-2, all the extra FFVII crap, and FFXII being set in Ivalice from Tactics.
FFXIII was supposed to have a similar setup with Fabula Nova Crystallis or something, but I don't think it made sense to anyone and after everything has sort of fallen apart with FFXIII, it sounds like they're just saying @#%^ it and moving everything from Versus to XV. I guess the title is still part of the series or something? I don't know, SE doesn't really seem to be pushing it, at least in the US, anyway.

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Fabula Nova was supposed to be a sort of conceptual mythology that they'd build different stories off of.

But that doesn't mean they'd have the same myths. They would be concepts that were to be built off of even to create the core mythology.
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Let's just consider FFXV a new title in the series, and a badass looking one at that.
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It looks nice but it looks very Action Rpg, I want turn based, not hack and slash. I think FF may be down after this for me. I dont mind innovation, but Innovation for innovations sake is bad. I want a game where I control 3/4/5 characters selecting if they attack or defend or what abilities to use on each of them. Not this new, I can kind of choose for my character but the other 2 are fully AI.

From looking at this it looks very much that or Hack and slash

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There is a Weapon Bar down in the left, as attacks go off it moved. I don't know if the other 2 are all AI, or if you get to set them up (as Def or Off). The main guy instead of slicing did cast Fire. When that bar moved into a different weapon, one of the other 2's attack went off.

I don't even know the last new FF game that was turned based. The new Action RPG came with X-2 didn't it?
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