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#1 Jun 09 2013 at 10:42 PM Rating: Excellent
Just under twelve hours now until the first big conference of E3 (Microsoft).

Here's a link to countdowns to the conferences, complete with live stream links.

Microsoft goes first, followed by EA and Ubisoft, then Sony. Nintendo goes the next morning. The schedule is thus:

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9:30AM PT, June 10: Microsoft
1PM PT, June 10: EA
3PM PT, June 10: Ubisoft
6PM PT, June 10: Sony
7AM PT, June 11: Nintendo


Here is leaked info mostly about Microsoft's presentation, with a spattering of PS4:

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1. Confirmed Microsoft is actively attempting to get developers to not mention PS4 versions. If they don't say "OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR XBONE" expect a PS4 version. #truthfact

2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.

3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.

4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.

5. Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.

6. Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.

7. Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks

8. Live paywall still there.

9. Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference.

10. No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed.

11. No DRM info for PS4.


Here is the source.

This poster is extremely reliable, if he says it, it's usually true.

Bean made that early release trailer thread, but at least the big conferences and stuff I felt should get their own thread. I have class in the morning, but I'll be updating as I can.

Edited, Jun 10th 2013 1:17am by IDrownFish
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#2 Jun 09 2013 at 10:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Predictions, Xbone messes up more, Nintendo still has nothing to show, Sony runs away with all the glory.
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I'm not convinced Microsoft is the one behind the DRM. They have the most to lose and the least to gain from a heavy handed DRM scheme. And if Sony doesn't follow suit with a similar/identical DRM scheme, Microsoft would be killing their own console before it ever hit the shelves.
#4 Jun 09 2013 at 10:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Predictions, Xbone messes up more, Nintendo still has nothing to show, Sony runs away with all the glory.


My money's on this happening too. The internet seems determined to hate the Xbox One and I've seen people claiming to want to buy a PS4 and Wii U simply out of spite for Microsoft. If their DRM is really worse than what we've seen so far, I don't think they will do very well.

Nintendo still looks like they aren't even playing the same game as Sony and Microsoft. Other than new entries in their staple series for the Wii U (I predict Zelda, maybe a new Super Smash Bros, and very distantly possible is a new Metroid), I don't see anything big coming from their court.

All Sony really has to do is show off some solid launch titles and give some info on a light DRM (if any), and they win E3. Bonus points for free online.

Edited, Jun 10th 2013 12:48am by IDrownFish
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/nod, Completely agree. Its not that I want to hate the Xbone (Which I fine a funny nick name Xbone could be Cross bones which is a sign of pirates which this system completely destroys) If MS did something worth wowing me but honestly their system looks like a souped up 360 with a Bluray player and a ton of DRM. At this moment Microsoft has the most to make up , Nintendo has to just do something worth mentioning other than lousy sales, and PS4 just needt to look pretty + decent price + Light DRM like you said.
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Am I the only one who is reading this as "X-Bone" and then sitting there, stunned, that this name made it all the way?

And yeah, Microsoft is really **** themselves, hard.

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I'm not convinced Microsoft is the one behind the DRM. They have the most to lose and the least to gain from a heavy handed DRM scheme. And if Sony doesn't follow suit with a similar/identical DRM scheme, Microsoft would be killing their own console before it ever hit the shelves


That's a perspective that, imo, isn't really taking the corporate culture into account at all. This isn't Microsoft's first forays into DRM for their own products - they're like any other major corporation looking to better the bottom line.

Gamers tend to see the logical path, where you earn gamer loyalty by trusting them, and sell products that way. But that's a really, really hard sell to a corporate executive who doesn't even play games. And with gamers historically not taking hard stances against games with harsh DRM, at worst it keeps their sales even, and at best it increases them.

From Microsoft's perspective, the way to win the console war is to have the most exclusive titles for their system. If one way they do that is to offer publishers a way to ensure zero used games piracy on their investment, they're going to. It's one of their tactics to get people choosing them over cross-platform releases (which already have a more limited audience, so you need to cover a wider swath of the group to make the same kind of cash).

It's also worth pointing out that Microsoft IS a game publisher. They announced they had a big franchise in the works last year, and are promising 15 XBox One titles (8 original franchsises) this year, which will theoretically make them the primary publisher for the system for quite some time. And it seems like they want to grow that studio, by restricting self-publishing for indie games and requiring them to go through a studio.
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Apparently so. Shame it isn't free to play on the xbox.
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#10 Jun 10 2013 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ryse looks pretty cool, but I love QTE combat. :)
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KI is back, but still not worth buying a new console for it.
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#13 Jun 10 2013 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
No more MS points any more. Officially switching to real money, instead of Monopoly cash
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It's not enough to please me, but I am happy that M$ is starting to treat gold customers better (free games, no more points).
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The price is what I'd expect to pay, but still not planning to buy one.
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For those of us just waking up, what is the price etc? I see new KI and that makes me sad its going to bomb because no one will by an Xbone. KI was a genuinely fun game. Also Treating gold better while treating silver poorly still isnt all that much better. "Hey were finally going to give you alil something back for paying us and watching all those ads.
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Xbone Price:
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Metal Gear Solid V looks awesome....
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Metal Gear Solid V looks awesome....


Agreed. I'm happy it isn't an XBone exclusive.
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Did no one, at any stage of development, see the title "X-Box One," and not figure out XBone would be the go-to name everyone in the world was going to go to? Not a single hardware neckbeard beta tester looked at it?
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Agreed. I'm happy it isn't an XBone exclusive.



Lol why would it be an Xbone exclusive? No metal gear title has ever been. In fact they've all been PS exclusives up until recently.
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Ok Well i went over the talking points on Forbes website. MS did good focusing 100% on games, but they still havent discussed exactly WHAT this resale drm thing is, and this always online issue. If they want college kids to buy this they need to drop that, think about it College kids move 2 times year and might go with out net for a week while they wait to be installed.

I'm stoked but bummed by KI, Its weird seeing MGS V, Insomniac on Xbox.

The Price is going to kill them though, with all the bs of always online etc,. Predictions put the PS4 at 400-450 if it is PS4 has a HUGE lead, as long as they also have a light non intrusive DRM system. Otherwise MS did decent with everything overall. Lets see what Sony does.
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Microsoft really needed to allay the fears about the features of their device that aren't palatable though. And they didn't. Showing games is obviously important (something they should have remembered for the reveal), but after the PR **** they created, and their inability to address it at all, they needed to do serious damage control.

And with a $500 price tag, they needed it badly. I didn't expect the price to be nearly so high, particularly not after the PS3 launch.

What I imagine can hurt them in the European markets is that plenty of the major talking points about the non-gaming capabilities of the box aren't even going to be available for EU players, due to their various streaming/television laws. So they have to pay way, way more (500 Euro being about $660), and not even get all the goodies.

The thing that kills me is the ridiculous ineptitude. E3 was the venue they should have been seriously plugging their new features at, because it's not gaming specific. The console reveal needed to impress its current audience WAY more. Why the **** would you put all the gaming focus on E3, none on the reveal, and ensure reduced reach overall for your content?

It should have been at least 50/50 at the reveal, so they wouldn't have HAD to use so much time for games at the expo.
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Agreed although the $500 pricetag is reasonable to me. That's what PS3, Xbox 360 launched at. I was honestly thinking that this gen the prices were going to go up yet again....to like $750 or something crazy. The fact that they managed to keep it around the same launch price as last time is a good thing.
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looks like that random forum poster linked in the OP was not correct about much at all.
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Well 2 of those points are Sony only and 5 more weren't even mentioned...

So of the 4 that were covered, he got 2 of them right.

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Agreed although the $500 pricetag is reasonable to me. That's what PS3, Xbox 360 launched at. I was honestly thinking that this gen the prices were going to go up yet again....to like $750 or something crazy. The fact that they managed to keep it around the same launch price as last time is a good thing.


THe problem is this Next gen isnt really "Next Gen" Theres no huge leap in graphics, Its more of a up/sidegrade. If you added up all their parts for a consumer you'ld be looking at around 400. That doesnt take into account the huge discounts they get from buying bulk etc. Thats the problem, You may feel comfortable at that price but for 200 bucks more Ill buy a laptop with better graphics* and is mobile


Edit: And I forgot to mention the Kinect is driving the price up too, and its a feature no one really wants. Its a tacked on gimmick, that's raising the price.

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too bad we gotta wait till 6 for the ps4 presentation.

Ryse and Titanfall were both pretty awesome console exclusives, I'll give em that.
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You may feel comfortable at that price but for 200 bucks more Ill buy a laptop with better graphics*


I bet not.
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I haven't watched any trailers yet. I usually like to wait until all the shows are complete, and look at all the games together. I feel like it's easier for me to gauge what I feel about each console if I don't have a lot of time to ruminate separately.
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And I forgot to mention the Kinect is driving the price up too, and its a feature no one really wants. Its a tacked on gimmick, that's raising the price.
Remember when Nintendo came to the conclusion that CD media wasn't what everyone wanted and decided to continue cartridges? Wanting it or not is irrelevant, it is the next generation of gaming whether you like it or not. Welcome to the "Get Off My Lawn" generation.
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You may feel comfortable at that price but for 200 bucks more Ill buy a laptop with better graphics*


I bet not.


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730M is a Class 2 card, It will play most games at medium to high settings. Most consoles play games at or around PC medium High.
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I'm a little surprised about the price (and suggestions I've heard that PS4 may retail higher due to the DDR5 memory) mainly because "Oh, PCs are so expensive" is such a stock pro-console point. A good PC for gaming ain't that much more expensive, especially if you're not counting display (no one adds in the cost of a TV to a console).
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BeanX the Irrelevant wrote:
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You may feel comfortable at that price but for 200 bucks more Ill buy a laptop with better graphics*


I bet not.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314004
Acer Aspire V3-771G-6485 Notebook Intel Core i5 3230M(2.60GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory 750GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-730M.84681.0.html

730M is a Class 2 card, It will play most games at medium to high settings. Most consoles play games at or around PC medium High.


http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html according to that a 730m is ~ HD6670 or GTX295. Thats not very good and certainly wont offer "better graphics*" than the consoles.

and according to http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html the cpu is on par with an amd x4 955, also likely to be far inferior to the consoles.



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I would love to argue with you about it but that site i linked shows most games run on medium/high settings at 30+ FPS, which is current console numbers, In 6 months when the new consoles come out the 760m laptops and such will have come down around to around the 700 mark. The consoles coming out in a few months may have a slight advantage out of the gate but given the speed of PC growth will be quickly left in the dust. My point was its not a huge leap to get a comparable laptop for to much more. Also that was just a super quick search, Im sure if I did more research I could find a much better system. (Possibly) Im in the market for a laptop atm because my wife just broke hers last night by dropping hers a short distance.
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With regards to the CBOAT leaks.

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1. Confirmed Microsoft is actively attempting to get developers to not mention PS4 versions. If they don't say "OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR XBONE" expect a PS4 version. #truthfact

2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.

3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.

4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.


These were not mentioned, nor were they going to be. Neither confirms nor disputes CBOAT.

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7. Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks

8. Live paywall still there.

9. Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference.


He called all three of these. The "Secret Phil Spencer" part was in regards to this comment.

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10. No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed.

11. No DRM info for PS4.


Obviously have not shown the Sony presentation yet.

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5. Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.

6. Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.


These were the only direct claims he made which have not come true. There were however some flight delays (I'll dig up a source when NeoGAF comes back up from maintenance), so possible some extenuating circumstances? This guy has a good track record, I'd wait until after the Ubisoft and EA conferences are over before judging.
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#37 Jun 10 2013 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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ah well the way you titled it to begin with gave me the impression it was about the E3 presentation, so w/e. I'm just not big on these "sources" being forum posters, but hey with how much the reputable sources get their stuff wrong maybe its not so bad. Smiley: lol
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Yeah, I was really suspicious about this guy too at first, and I usually don't believe this kind of thing. However, pretty much all of reddit and NeoGAF is convinced this guy is some kind of prophet, so I'm willing to give him a chance.
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Agreed. I'm happy it isn't an XBone exclusive.



Lol why would it be an Xbone exclusive? No metal gear title has ever been. In fact they've all been PS exclusives up until recently.


Because Microsoft could pay them big bucks to make it an exclusive? Thanks for the history lesson though.
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Got an email from IGN to preorder Watch Dogs. $60 on PS3/360, $100 on X1/PS4.

I definitely won't be buying a new console if games are going to make that jump to $100.

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Mirror's Edge 2.

Edit: Holy hell, $100? That's just unreasonable.

You sure that wasn't the Australia email?

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I would love to argue with you about it but that site i linked shows most games run on medium/high settings at 30+ FPS, which is current console numbers, In 6 months when the new consoles come out the 760m laptops and such will have come down around to around the 700 mark. The consoles coming out in a few months may have a slight advantage out of the gate but given the speed of PC growth will be quickly left in the dust. My point was its not a huge leap to get a comparable laptop for to much more. Also that was just a super quick search, Im sure if I did more research I could find a much better system. (Possibly) Im in the market for a laptop atm because my wife just broke hers last night by dropping hers a short distance.


Meh, I'd say you need a laptop with an i7-3630qm and a 780m to get up to the level of the new consoles. Those are expensive specs.

Laptops make a terrible example for cost-effective gaming, who knew. Smiley: tongue
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Before today, the Xbone/PS4 had been listed at $600 because they were uncertain of their list prices.

I'm guessing the $100 is the same thing. I know publishers are trying to push to higher priced games, but there's no way they're going to jump to $100 just like that.

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Before today, Amazon priced Xbone/PS4 at $600 because they were uncertain of their list prices.

I'm guessing the $100 is the same thing. I know publishers are trying to push to higher priced games, but there's no way they're going to jump to $100 just like that.
I dunno. It'd be the way to do it. A release that is still on the older consoles, so you keep the price at $60 on those. I'd do it. Set the price at $100 and see how many preorders come in at that price. Use it to gauge what the market will bear. You can always reduce the price before release if there's too much backlash.
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I do not love the new art direction for the DA series. I do not love it at all. I hope it'll grow on me.

Also, I'm really bummed that they seem to have changed Morrigan's voice actress. Though, I guess the fact that this is taking place 15? years after DAO justifies her having a deeper voice. It could just be the same actress using a new inflection. You were never told Morrigan's age, but Alistair was about 20 in DAO, so it seems fair for Morrigan to be around the same at the time.

That said... Open world DA? And your choices will actively change the game environment? Hells to the f***ing yes.

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I do not love the new art direction for the DA series. I do not love it at all. I hope it'll grow on me.

Also, I'm really bummed that they seem to have changed Morrigan's voice actress. Though, I guess the fact that this is taking place 15? years after DAO justifies her having a deeper voice. It could just be the same actress using a new inflection. You were never told Morrigan's age, but Alistair was about 20 in DAO, so it seems fair for Morrigan to be around the same at the time.

That said... Open world DA? And your choices will actively change the game environment? Hells to the f***ing yes.

Don't **** me this time, BioWare...


This news makes me want to fire up DA2 again, which I only played about an hour.
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No, that's definitely Claudia Black, same as last time. She used pretty much the same voice in Diablo 3 for spiderwhore boss.

I dunno, I kind of like the new art style. I certainly like it better than 2's.
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To be honest, I liked DA2. A lot. I loved the characters. The combat, environments, and plot weren't nearly as good as DAO, true. But I really, really love the characters.

And the art style is already growing on me, oddly enough. I think it was probably just an adverse reaction to how different it was.

And Morrigan coming back <3

Though people are already wondering if due to the deeper voice that sounds more like Flemeth, the Flemeth-esque grin, etc., if it actually IS Flemeth in Morrigan's body. Though people who have read the Stolen Grove comics are justifiably dubious.

Yeah, I'm really, really excited right now. I have no idea why this was such a delayed reaction, but I'm positively giddy.

I was planning a new DAO run-through... I'm staying at my sister's for the next week and a half to cat-sit. I know what I'm doing now.
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#51 Jun 10 2013 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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So uh...

Where's the television coverage of E3? I thought G4 and SpikeTV always aired coverage of the events. So far I see nothing on the guides. I'll be bummed out if I have to watch live streams on my computer to get all this information, and being unable to DVR them for when I get home and can watch recordings without having to find out where I can view things online.

Edited, Jun 10th 2013 6:30pm by TirithRR
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