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#52 May 21 2013 at 8:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, sure. And, just like GMG, saying "You can trade in your games" isn't really a selling point. If I wanted to sell someone on trying GMG, I'd point to their 20-25% vouchers. I wouldn't even bother mentioning "And there's six games you can trade in for $1.20 each".

Likewise, if publishers beyond Microsoft itself don't want to sign on for trading in titles, it won't be much of a marketing point for the Xbox One.
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#53 May 21 2013 at 8:52 PM Rating: Good
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I just don't understand how buying something no longer conveys ownership. If you're going to license games to customers we should paying a minute percentage of current full prices based on usage. If I play Bioshock: Not Nearly 10 hrs ( much less Infinite) then I should only be paying for 10 hours of entertainment which sure as **** isn't worth $60...or maybe $75 once the next generation lands.

Edited, May 21st 2013 7:54pm by LebargeX
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#54 May 21 2013 at 8:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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LebargeX wrote:
I should only be paying for 10 hours of entertainment which sure as **** isn't worth $60

Find a way to quantify the per hour value of entertainment that everyone agrees on and get back to us.
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#55 May 21 2013 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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It's why I don't use prostitutes... no matter how enjoyable that was, it still only lasted a couple minutes.
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#56 May 21 2013 at 9:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's why I don't use prostitutes... no matter how enjoyable that was, it still only lasted a couple minutes.


I wouldn't blame the prostitute for that.
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#57 May 21 2013 at 9:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Iamadam wrote:
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It's why I don't use prostitutes... no matter how enjoyable that was, it still only lasted a couple minutes.


I wouldn't blame the prostitute for that.


Isnt it easier to just blame Joph for everything though? :P



Liberal jokes are hard :s
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#58 May 21 2013 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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BeanX the Irrelevant wrote:
Iamadam wrote:
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It's why I don't use prostitutes... no matter how enjoyable that was, it still only lasted a couple minutes.


I wouldn't blame the prostitute for that.


Isnt it easier to just blame Joph for everything though? :P



Liberal jokes are hard :s


"Sorry baby... it's just... this guy on the internet. He's so... Liberal."
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#59 May 21 2013 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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I should only be paying for 10 hours of entertainment which sure as **** isn't worth $60

Find a way to quantify the per hour value of entertainment that everyone agrees on and get back to us.


Well that's very easy. Netflix is $8 a month and Gamefly is about $18. If MS wants to turn their console into a game licensing/movie streaming service then I guess you could split the difference and say $13 for the basic services. Heck you could even go crazy and add them together and charge $26 a month to get access to top tier titles. With DLC and in game purchases all the rage right now buying games like a serial subscription is probably next.
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#60 May 21 2013 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well that's very easy. Netflix is $8 a month and Gamefly is about $18.

So get all your stuff through them. Problem solved! Smiley: thumbsup
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#61 May 21 2013 at 9:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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Well that's very easy. Netflix is $8 a month and Gamefly is about $18.

So get all your stuff through them. Problem solved! Smiley: thumbsup


Yeah pretty much lol
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#62 May 21 2013 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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Iamadam wrote:
BeanX the Irrelevant wrote:
Iamadam wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
It's why I don't use prostitutes... no matter how enjoyable that was, it still only lasted a couple minutes.


I wouldn't blame the prostitute for that.


Isnt it easier to just blame Joph for everything though? :P



Liberal jokes are hard :s



"Sorry baby... it's just... this guy on the internet. He's so... Liberal."


My point exactly, about the jokes being hard. He was saying dont blame the prostitute (aka Wh0re), and people say joph is so Liberal. So i associated Liberal ***** with Joph. Then you someone said dont blame the prostitute (Wh0re) and I went But its easier to blame the Liberal wh0re (Prostitute) who is Joph.

Hence why I said its easier should blame Joph, the liberal prostitute, for everything.

Told you it was hard to do the joke. Mainly because my head associates things in weird ways.


You assumed you would tell the prostitute it was Jophs fault you were quick.When i ment to imply Joph is a supposed liberal wh0re(prostitute) and its alwasy his fault.

You know what they say about jokes you have to explain, i failed hard, keep the downrates coming.

(this also explains why my posts usually are so ramble-y because my mind jumps from subject to subject by association in my head, and I just keep typing like a noob.)

(Edit: also I dont think the wh0re word should be used in polite conversation, so i had to sit here and force myself to type this all out)


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#63 May 21 2013 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
Either way with this BS. I only got a 360 way long ago to play XI. And started buying games for it solely becuase I didn't own a ps3. Now that I own Both and PS3 has humbled itself to me. If do enter this new standard(Since I don't compare the Wii to xbox or ps anymore. Mines well be in it's own category) It will definitely be with the ps4. Microsoft has completely turned me off with how they handled Live, and killed a certain series with their bullsh*t money grabbing and other stories of their bullsh*t money grabbing.

I usually don't like making all the decision without knowing more facts. But this one was made before they even walked down the run way for me.

Edited, May 22nd 2013 12:23am by Laxedrane
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#64 May 21 2013 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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The required Kinect is enough for me to say that I won't be buying this system. I don't particularly care for the idea of MS having a internet connected camera and microphone in my living room. Sure, I could cover the lens or hide the thing in a corner, but just the fact that MS has the balls to pull a stunt like that is enough to keep me as far away from the thing as possible. Paying MS a fee to play used games didn't help their cause much either, but that's a minor complaint compared to the Kinect crap.

Well it's quite possible that you don't have to connect the Kinect.


Except that it is.
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Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes.

We use the living room almost as a moniker - that's where we assume the best screen is in the house. But if you like to play in any other room in the house, the Xbox One will deliver the same quality of experience whatever the environment.

#65 May 21 2013 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Turin wrote:
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The required Kinect is enough for me to say that I won't be buying this system. I don't particularly care for the idea of MS having a internet connected camera and microphone in my living room. Sure, I could cover the lens or hide the thing in a corner, but just the fact that MS has the balls to pull a stunt like that is enough to keep me as far away from the thing as possible. Paying MS a fee to play used games didn't help their cause much either, but that's a minor complaint compared to the Kinect crap.

Well it's quite possible that you don't have to connect the Kinect.


Except that it is.
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Xbox UK marketing director Harvey Eagle explained:

Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes.

We use the living room almost as a moniker - that's where we assume the best screen is in the house. But if you like to play in any other room in the house, the Xbox One will deliver the same quality of experience whatever the environment.



First commercial for the Xbox One would be hilarious if it showed a the kinect interacting with the family with This song playing in the background.

At the end it says Microsoft Xbox One "We'll be watching you"

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#66 May 21 2013 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
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#67 May 21 2013 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I just don't understand how buying something no longer conveys ownership.

Edited, May 21st 2013 7:54pm by LebargeX


When it comes to movies/music/games, it's never conveyed ownership. What you're buying is a use license and the disc is a means of delivery. There's the Fair Use and First Sale argument, but that becomes difficult to regulate.


As far as the used game market, I don't know why anyone's surprised that developers and publishers want it dead. From their point of view it's along the same lines as piracy, only worse. When someone buys a used game the developer never sees a penny of that money, and a potential customer is gone.


I didn't have an issue with the announcement. I didn't like how they only pushed the EA stuff, but I was happy to hear about the new IPs. I think the problem a lot of people are having is that the Xbox is no longer a dedicated gaming console. It's meant to be a family room entertainment system, which most people knew about who had been following it. So them leading with the Kinect stuff was not only unsurprising, but expected. I'm also a big fan of the cable box integration (as long as it has DVR capabilities) as well as everything else. What would be great is if they also made it pass-through. I have 2 HDMI switches attached to my TV, that's ridiculous. They're expensive, they don't work properly, and the vast majority of them downgrade the signal to 720. If the Xbox One is trying to eliminate that problem and become the primary device attached to my TV, I'm all for it.
#68 May 22 2013 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Not actually interested in any of the next gen stuff atm. Honestly how much better can the system produce, when it is still confined to 1080 max resolution, I also didn't notice ig Xbox announced that this would be 3D TV capable???

I think Id rather spend my money on an occulus rift than a minor upgrade in terms of graphics. Last time I bought a game for graphics I wasted my cash.
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#69 May 22 2013 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kotaku kind of sums up my feelings well.

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It didn't help that many of the other key announcements fell flat. TV integration is...OK, I guess, if you're in America, but most people on this planet are not, and as of now, the US is the only place the feature is going to work.


Also, it seems the only way to turn Kinect off is to actually remove the device from a power source. Even if you turn the machine off, Kinect is still functioning, so you can use the voice activation stuff. And this doesn't seem to be optional.

And apparently Microsoft execs are shocked by the bad response to the announcements. I mean, have they been doing ANY marketing research over the past few months, when rumors of these features were coming out? Public sentiment was very clear.
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Well, I didn't realize you had to connect the Kinect, so I guess they're kind of making my decision for me. I really wanted this to come down to what exclusives were going to be on Xbox versus PS4, but it may not even end up mattering.

I don't have much of a problem with their handling of used games, probably because I'm used to there being no such thing in PC gaming. I do think that if they're going to destroy the used game market for their system, they absolutely have to adjust their price drops and sales on their direct distribution system. Of course, that won't happen because they'll likely think they can continue to get $60/game six months after its release (or is the price of new games going up, too?). People aren't going to just start paying full release price for every game they want to play; they'll just stop buying a large percentage of games they would have bought used, unless they can get those games for a reasonable price.



This video probably turns me off a bit more instead of alleviating issues I might have.

I don't have a problem with paying for Xbox Live, and won't until Sony's free service rivals it as far as network quality goes. And perhaps with the PS4, it will do so. Having experienced extensive multiplayer on both the PS3 and 360, my personal experience has been that the games played over Live have had less network issues than the ones on PSN. That said, there's no reason that you should have to pay for a Gold membership to access things like your Netflix account; that should be included with the free membership. I think that they could also do something like including better free Gold access with new games. Include a full month with every new game you buy.

I've usually been a Sony-first person, since most of the JRPG I like to play come out on PS and not Xbox, but I did greatly enjoy the original Xbox, and have enjoyed the 360. I'm really interested to see how this all plays out. They'll certainly still sell a ton of consoles.
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The more I think about it, the more confused I get.

I get the idea of trying to make it the core of a living room, serving as the primary media device. And that's all well and good.

But I just can't see your average consumer wanting kinect. Maybe that's me misreading the situation, but it just sounds... off to me. I mean, one thing they keep talking about is how you can just say "xbox on" and it'll be good to go. That's nice... except that there's plenty of reasons you would use xbox on when you didn't want it to turn on. For instance, "Is the xbox on?", "Don't leave the xbox on", "Don't turn that xbox on until after you've done your homework", etc.

Ditto for xbox off. Some kid's mom walks in and says "Don't you think it's time your turned the xbox off?" Or your kid sister just LOVES that she can control it with her voice, so she does so. Whenever she can. Even if you're in the middle of a COD deathmatch.

I mean, I can't possibly be the only one with a toddler in the house who would absolutely do this every chance she got... And with the rate she picks up new technology, there'd be no chance in **** she wouldn't know how to do it after the device had been in the house for a few days.

And that doesn't account for other things, like "I WANT TO WATCH CAILLOU!" Is "watch ____" going to be a command? Because that would be REALLY annoying.

I dunno, I just don't feel like we're at a point where technology is actually far enough to be implemented this way. Until the system can actually log voice profiles for complex command structures, and be able to register context, I don't really want an omnipresent voice command system. One you turn off and on? Sure. One that's listening to every word you utter, looking for strings of keywords? HA, no.
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#72 May 22 2013 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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But I just can't see your average consumer wanting kinect. Maybe that's me misreading the situation, but it just sounds... off to me. I mean, one thing they keep talking about is how you can just say "xbox on" and it'll be good to go. That's nice... except that there's plenty of reasons you would use xbox on when you didn't want it to turn on. For instance, "Is the xbox on?", "Don't leave the xbox on", "Don't turn that xbox on until after you've done your homework", etc.

Ditto for xbox off. Some kid's mom walks in and says "Don't you think it's time your turned the xbox off?" Or your kid sister just LOVES that she can control it with her voice, so she does so. Whenever she can. Even if you're in the middle of a COD deathmatch.

I mean, I can't possibly be the only one with a toddler in the house who would absolutely do this every chance she got... And with the rate she picks up new technology, there'd be no chance in **** she wouldn't know how to do it after the device had been in the house for a few days.

And that doesn't account for other things, like "I WANT TO WATCH CAILLOU!" Is "watch ____" going to be a command? Because that would be REALLY annoying.
Maybe your experience with Windows Speech Recognition (WSR) has been different than my own, but that is usually not how voice commands work.

If you have a command such as "xbox on", then it looks for that phrase and that phrase only. When WSR starts to hear speech, it then constructs the phrase/sentence that it picks up. As long as you keep speaking, it continues to build up and does not perform any other action (there may be some limit, but it was easily picking up full length sentences when I played around with it). Once you finish speaking, that entire list of words becomes the command phrase, not just a small portion within. An action is performed if that entire phrase matches a command.

Toddlers could be a problem, but only because I expect they would pick up on you saying "xbox on" and "xbox off" then start using it because it sounds funny, unaware of what it actually does. That would be my guess, anyway. Usually the WSR works around your accent and speech patterns, so it might not pick up on the toddler because of that either, but I'd be less certain of that part.


Finally, system voice commands ("xbox on", "xbox off", "watch Dr. Who", etc.), might end up being disabled while playing a game or possibly settings to turn those particular ones off. Given the disaster of the recent announcement, I have my doubts, but it would be something I would think is a reasonable approach.

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Toddlers could be a problem, but only because I expect they would pick up on you saying "xbox on" and "xbox off" then start using it because it sounds funny, unaware of what it actually does.

No, they'll do it because they know exactly what it does and turning things on and off over and over again is hilarious when you're 30 months old.
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#74 May 22 2013 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The more I think about it, the more confused I get.

I get the idea of trying to make it the core of a living room, serving as the primary media device. And that's all well and good.

But I just can't see your average consumer wanting kinect. Maybe that's me misreading the situation, but it just sounds... off to me. I mean, one thing they keep talking about is how you can just say "xbox on" and it'll be good to go. That's nice... except that there's plenty of reasons you would use xbox on when you didn't want it to turn on. For instance, "Is the xbox on?", "Don't leave the xbox on", "Don't turn that xbox on until after you've done your homework", etc.

Ditto for xbox off. Some kid's mom walks in and says "Don't you think it's time your turned the xbox off?" Or your kid sister just LOVES that she can control it with her voice, so she does so. Whenever she can. Even if you're in the middle of a COD deathmatch.

I mean, I can't possibly be the only one with a toddler in the house who would absolutely do this every chance she got... And with the rate she picks up new technology, there'd be no chance in **** she wouldn't know how to do it after the device had been in the house for a few days.

And that doesn't account for other things, like "I WANT TO WATCH CAILLOU!" Is "watch ____" going to be a command? Because that would be REALLY annoying.

I dunno, I just don't feel like we're at a point where technology is actually far enough to be implemented this way. Until the system can actually log voice profiles for complex command structures, and be able to register context, I don't really want an omnipresent voice command system. One you turn off and on? Sure. One that's listening to every word you utter, looking for strings of keywords? HA, no.



Correct me if I am wrong. But aren't a lot of higher end TVs now integrating the things kinnect does for tv?

I don't know how well those TVs are selling for but there being made and advertise for. There is a market for it. I don't know how big that market is but there is a market for it outside of games.
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No, they'll do it because they know exactly what it does and turning things on and off over and over again is hilarious when you're 30 months old.
Pretty funny when you're 30 years old, too.
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I'm sure there's a market for it, but I'm not convinced it's a market that meaningfully overlaps with the gaming population. At least not when we're talking about the fact that you can't turn the **** feature off (at least as of right now).

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft implements a big overhaul to give a lot more control to their users regarding how omnipresent the kinect system is. It would be a horrible decision not to.

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If PS4's promises of an indie self-publishing system are true, THAT could definitely be a really big hurdle for Microsoft to overcome, which they won't do if they don't try and implement more features that gamers care about.

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