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#127 Apr 03 2013 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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ok so what did the collar/necklace/thingy you picked out for elizabeth have to do with anything?


Nothing, it's just a trick to make you think it would affect the ending of the game.
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#128 Apr 03 2013 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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figures Smiley: lol
#129 Apr 03 2013 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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I was ALMOST thinking of buying it tonight because I saw GMG still had it listed as 14 dollars cash back. But when I added it, it didn't have the option for credit/cashback, so I guess their main page ad just hasn't been updated. But it made me not buy it yet.

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I checked this morning and it was activate again. Went ahead and purchased it. I'm weak, and will probably be dropping my gaming plans and playing it this weekend.

Edited, Apr 4th 2013 7:19am by TirithRR
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#130 Apr 05 2013 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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I had to look up the meaning of the word "Menarche".

I mean, given the context and imagery, I was 99% sure what it meant, but I had never actually seen the word before.
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#131 Apr 05 2013 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
I had to look up the meaning of the word "Menarche".

I mean, given the context and imagery, I was 99% sure what it meant, but I had never actually seen the word before.


What Joph said.
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#132 Apr 05 2013 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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#133 Apr 05 2013 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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Beat it the other night. Found it to be a good game, not great. Most of my issues with it are more "mechanical", I guess you could say. I generally enjoyed the story and its conclusion.

Songbird was underutilized.
#134 Apr 05 2013 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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I was thinking Bioshock Infinite 2 you should get to play as Songbird, or maybe as a DLC. Like tell the origin story.

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#135 Apr 05 2013 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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Bioshock Infinite 2, it's basically Bioshock Infinite but everything is slightly different.
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#136 Apr 05 2013 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Bioshock Infinite 2, it's basically Bioshock Infinite but everything is slightly different.


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#137 Apr 05 2013 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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Also, I may have yelled "GET OFF OF MY AIRSHIP" as I skyhook-landed on one enemy, booting him off the deck and into freefall.

I'm kind of tickled at the idea of whatever land Columbia is over at a given moment being subjected to a rain of uniformed, parachute-less skydivers.
#138 Apr 05 2013 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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Also, I may have yelled "GET OFF OF MY AIRSHIP" as I skyhook-landed on one enemy, booting him off the deck and into freefall.

I'm kind of tickled at the idea of whatever land Columbia is over at a given moment being subjected to a rain of uniformed, parachute-less skydivers.


I think Columbia is stationary over that section of ocean with the lighthouse, otherwise how else would new people be able to get on board? Now once they declare war on Saddam Sodom, then they'll move the city.
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#139 Apr 05 2013 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Also, I may have yelled "GET OFF OF MY AIRSHIP" as I skyhook-landed on one enemy, booting him off the deck and into freefall.

I'm kind of tickled at the idea of whatever land Columbia is over at a given moment being subjected to a rain of uniformed, parachute-less skydivers.


I think Columbia is stationary over that section of ocean with the lighthouse, otherwise how else would new people be able to get on board? Now once they declare war on Saddam Sodom, then they'll move the city.


Oh, maybe. Isn't it shown having floated over NYC during its attack? I distinctly recall seeing the angel-tower in the background of that scene. I had just assumed that it floated about aimlessly, but I suppose it'd have to be in the vicinity of the launcher....

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#141 Apr 05 2013 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
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Also, I may have yelled "GET OFF OF MY AIRSHIP" as I skyhook-landed on one enemy, booting him off the deck and into freefall.

I'm kind of tickled at the idea of whatever land Columbia is over at a given moment being subjected to a rain of uniformed, parachute-less skydivers.


I think Columbia is stationary over that section of ocean with the lighthouse, otherwise how else would new people be able to get on board? Now once they declare war on Saddam Sodom, then they'll move the city.


I'm not very far in, but I assumed the map at the beginning of the game in the lighthouse was tracking the movement of Columbia. That there were more access points depending on where it happened to be at the time.
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#142 Apr 06 2013 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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I beat the game and... for some reason on the first play through of the end, my game skipped the drowning scene. The "End" appeared to be where you opened the door to drown Comstock, then the credits started playing. After the credits you appear back in your home office with the baby in the room.

Second play through the ending, the scene with the Elizabeths and the drowning played.

It was very strange, since that first one implied that you succeeded in going back and killing baby Comstock, without the whole "I am Comstock" thing...

I don't know why it happened, but it did.
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#143 Apr 06 2013 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe there are two endings for the game. Smiley: confused

Did you do anything different between the two playthroughs, like leaving Slate alive?
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#144 Apr 06 2013 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't do anything different, both endings were from the same save file, I just continued the game again from the light house point.

Edit: I did choose a different physical path through the light houses, but every scene up to the door opening to drown Comstock was the same. And Elizabeth still says it doesn't matter what path you take, they all lead to the same place...


Edited, Apr 6th 2013 3:52pm by TirithRR
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There is a part of the lighthouse section where you have to choose left or right paths. IIRC when I chose the left lighthouse I got the drown Booker ending. Did you choose the same lighthouse as your first playthrough or a different one?

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#146 Apr 06 2013 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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First ending I got (No drowning of Booker): During the stone pathway, the first one, I kept going straight. Then I can't remember which path I took on the wood docks.

Second ending (Elizabeths drowned me): During the stone pathway, I turned right at that first branch, Then I can't really remember which path I took on the wood docks.


I think I'll load it up and try again to see what happens.

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Nope, all show Elizabeths drowning Booker at the end now. I think my game must have just bugged out on me that first time. I even tried pressing every button during the scene to see if there was a way I might have mistakenly skipped it by button press. Nothing did.

Edited, Apr 6th 2013 4:11pm by TirithRR
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#147 Apr 06 2013 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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As to where Columbia is at any given moment, there is a map on the wall in the light house with a route and times listed. My thinking is that it moves along that route and people can get on at certain times.
#148 Apr 06 2013 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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I think my favorite part of the game are the songs. Hearing Beach Boys, and when I first fell down to Battleship Bay and heard Cindi Lauper playing I was thinking "Wait, what decade is this game supposed to be in?". Then as the game progressed and I heard more and more of these cover songs showing up, and then heard the Voxophone where Fink was explaining how they were using tears to get these songs and make them to sell in their time.

I think my favorite one was "Everybody Wants to Rule the World". The "Tainted Love" one was pretty good too. I didn't really care for the "Shiny Happy People" cover.


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I also agree that there is not enough Songbird. What ever it is, it really seems to care for Elizabeth, and given the origin of the Handymen, I'm curious if it was human at one time? Someone imporant... It didn't seem to care for being in the water, back when it fell into Battleship Bay, and again at the end when it is teleported to Rapture and dies. I was actually pretty sad when it died.

I can see Songbird being the focus of one of the DLCs. It'd have to be.


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#149 Apr 06 2013 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
It didn't seem to care for being in the water, back when it fell into Battleship Bay, and again at the end when it is teleported to Rapture and dies.


That's because in order for it to fly it had to be created from ultra-light materials that couldn't handle the pressure. I agree that it was like a Handyman, and most likely the organs were getting crushed each time it went deep into the water.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
It didn't seem to care for being in the water, back when it fell into Battleship Bay, and again at the end when it is teleported to Rapture and dies.


That's because in order for it to fly it had to be created from ultra-light materials that couldn't handle the pressure. I agree that it was like a Handyman, and most likely the organs were getting crushed each time it went deep into the water.


Well, I understood it was getting crushed, especially in the depths of Rapture. The depths of Battleship Bay didn't seem like it should have been enough, but the scene showed it reacting like it was getting struck (the crushing) but if I wasn't mistaken it also seems to grasp at it's throat similar to a person trying to get air before it stopped the pursuit and went back to the surface.

A couple of the Voxophones hinted toward the Handymen keeping their memories. There is one dead Handyman who is being posed on by the members of Vox and having their picture taken. He is holding a Voxophone from his wife. I'm just trying to think of what person would have a close personal tie to Elizabeth, that could be the Songbird.
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There's a vox or written note or something somewhere that indicates they (Comstock & Co) were having trouble figuring out how to adapt Songbird for pressure. So it was pretty well telegraphed although obviously I wasn't expecting the trip to Rapture as the deus ex machina. That said, Battleship Bay couldn't have been that deep and I have a hard time believing there's be enough pressure to matter (despite that being what apparently happened).
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