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#52 Mar 28 2013 at 1:03 AM Rating: Good
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I played about five hours, did Industrial Revolution and bought the Season Pass, found out the rewards are in the bar, restarted, and just beat the game this evening.

Wow. What a trip.
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Only quibble I have with the graphics is the stock NPC models could be a little more detailed in the face. The women especially are a little mannequin-like when compared to their surroundings. Certainly makes Elizabeth stand out though.

Speaking of, I was watching stuff last night about "building" Elizabeth and the story of how some girl put together a cosplay outfit based off the early concept art and the developers happened to see the photos and were so taken that they contacted her and had her serve as the face model. Pretty cool little story and certainly makes the photos of the young lady seem a bit freaky.

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As a final note, I really need to remap the aim button to RMB and Vigors to the center button. About 65% of my Salt usage is accidental, either trying to aim or just resting my finger too hard on the button and sending crows out to attack a barrel of apples.
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#55 Mar 28 2013 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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Those apples had it coming, what with their ritualistic attacks against the medical practitioners.
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The game looks a bit rough on PS3. Rougher than the original, I'd say. Lots of screen tearing, low poly characters, and poor textures abound. I can look past it, thankfully, but it is noticeable.

Haven't made it very far. Just through the first combat section of the game. Liking it so far - particularly the very first bit of the introduction (the mysterious rowboat part).
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#57 Mar 28 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
Upgrading your crows to make crow traps is win. I was in a place where guys were dropping down from the rafters. I crowed up the first group and popped them while they were getting dermabrasion therapy. Then the next group dropped down right into the crow traps, repeat. Really saves on salt if your a murder fan.

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#58 Mar 28 2013 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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I played about five hours, did Industrial Revolution and bought the Season Pass, found out the rewards are in the bar, restarted, and just beat the game this evening.

Wow. What a trip.


I never found the pistol and machine gun upgrades, where were they located?
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#59 Mar 28 2013 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Only quibble I have with the graphics is the stock NPC models could be a little more detailed in the face. The women especially are a little mannequin-like when compared to their surroundings. Certainly makes Elizabeth stand out though.

Speaking of, I was watching stuff last night about "building" Elizabeth and the story of how some girl put together a cosplay outfit based off the early concept art and the developers happened to see the photos and were so taken that they contacted her and had her serve as the face model. Pretty cool little story and certainly makes the photos of the young lady seem a bit freaky.

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As a final note, I really need to remap the aim button to RMB and Vigors to the center button. About 65% of my Salt usage is accidental, either trying to aim or just resting my finger too hard on the button and sending crows out to attack a barrel of apples.


Ok I had to go watch that video after I read this. Very cool.
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#60 Mar 28 2013 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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I never found the pistol and machine gun upgrades, where were they located?


They're in the bar, unless you load it after you've aquired the weapons. If you have, when you requip one you'll notice its golden; which means you have it.

Took about 15hours, but I beat it on hard & explored every corner I could. I'll wait a bit for more postgame discussion but if you've also beat it:

So it's basically Floating city- Oldboy - Fringe, right?

Let's see if picking a different necklace changes anything...

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#61 Mar 28 2013 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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According to the season pass notes the golden skins for the pistol and machine gun are separate from the actual free ugrades. Since I never had one of the normal skin guns I cannot tell if the gold ones have more ammo or lower recoil, etc.
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#64 Mar 29 2013 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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Depends on how many hours a day he's put into it and what "Powered through" means. I'm a couple fairly casual hours in and haven't run into Elizabeth yet. You know, stopping and listening to all the conversations, looking in all the kineoscopes and watching the little movies, etc.

(So please spoiler tag any spoilers for me kkthx~la)


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Jah I am ~4 hours in and taking my time to savor everything as much as possible. I have been exploring every nook and cranny for stuff and have found some nifty upgrades that way. (Like my big boy pants that make my melee weapon catch people on fire) (The melee weapon seems very strong when you get rushed) Also I enjoy listening to gramnamaphones, or reading the propaganda.

I was a bit annoyed to have to throw out full ammo pistol to try the shotgun as well but I can get over it.

Finally I think I have been playing to many free ecchi MMO's. (Scarlet Blade, Tera) Because when: The sign said "Specimen Location: Dressing Room" I was like alright alright giggidy. Then I opened the slide window and went.Smiley: frown

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#65 Mar 29 2013 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
Not since closed beta, like last week. >.>

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#66 Mar 29 2013 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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Took about 15hours, but I beat it on hard & explored every corner I could.
That's really ridiculous.
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The time or the exploring?
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#68 Mar 29 2013 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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The time. For a full game that seems really short.
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Hardly unprecedented. SpecOps was, what? Six hours? Darkness II was maybe 7-8 hours.

Granted I wouldn't want to pay $60 for that length but both of the other games I mentioned started at $50+ as well. That and I didn't pay anywhere near full retail for any of them.

I did think both were good games in their own right and am very happy with B:I so far. I'm not sure if padding their stories by making me shoot more bad guys would really make the games better. I guess it depends on what you're looking for out of the game.
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#70 Mar 29 2013 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
It appears 1999 mode is going to take longer. Also, post "twist", a lot of little things said by various people makes a whole lot more sense. It should definitely warrant a 2nd playthrough if you want the ending to make a little more sense.
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#71 Mar 29 2013 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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The time. For a full game that seems really short.

It's less a game and more an interactive story/movie. It could easily have been made 3 times as long with "fetch this, return here, kill things" quests (ala any elder scrolls game) or, worse, "travel here along a very similar path killing very similar things for a while (ala HL2). It's just not that game. It's also exceedingly linear, there are no real "choices". Knowing that going in (which you should, really) it doesn't detract from the game at all, for me, so far.
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I don't doubt it's a good game. I just prefer my games to last longer. It just isn't for me, at least at full price.
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I don't doubt it's a good game. I just prefer my games to last longer. It just isn't for me, at least at full price.

Which is fair. Had I paid anywhere near sixty bucks for it, I'd probably be annoyed by the length. But then I'd have never paid sixty bucks for it 'cause that's how I roll.
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#74 Mar 29 2013 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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I don't doubt it's a good game. I just prefer my games to last longer. It just isn't for me, at least at full price.

Which is fair. Had I paid anywhere near sixty bucks for it, I'd probably be annoyed by the length. But then I'd have never paid sixty bucks for it 'cause that's how I roll.


It's getting to the point where I won't pay $60 for much. I paid it to the Torment kickstarter, because I'm getting a ton of "free" stuff with it. I paid it for Skyrim and Mass Effect 3, because I had no interest in waiting. Other than that, I can't think of the last game I actually bought at launch... Wait, that's a lie, I bought Dark Souls. But no clue what else.

Moving to PC gaming has seriously spoiled me. And ruined me. I've been wanting to play Morrowind for 2 months, but refuse to pay $20 for it when I know waiting will bring it down to at least $10...

As for the length, I definitely won't pony up $60 for a 12 hour game. I probably wouldn't pay $30 for a 12 hour game, unless I was confident it would be fantastic.
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#75 Mar 29 2013 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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The time. For a full game that seems really short.


Since when? For a non-RPG it actually clocks in a tad longer then most games. Almost every game I've played in the PS2 era on, unless its an RPG, usually takes 6-20 hours long, for an initial playthrough. Its one of the reasons my wife loves me having Gamefly (prior to pc deals) and hated me buying games, I would beat them in a day or 2 and move on.

Action games (DMC, Infamous, Bayonetta,GTA) average take about 6-12 hours to beat, same with most FPS.
RPG's take 20-100+ hours.
Now mind you these are initial playthoughs, where you may be learning the game etc, not find everything, and most of the time dont spend time grinding. Sequential plays yield lower times because you dont have to relearn anything your used to it. Even on the harder difficulties mostly.



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Action games (DMC, Infamous, Bayonetta,GTA) average take about 6-12 hours to beat, same with most FPS.
I don't pay full price for those games either, for the exact same reason.
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Call me spoiled as well, but I can't justify paying anything if I'm not sure I'm going to get 100hrs+ out of it. There's too much good free or *free stuff out there these days for me to justify the money, and the old games keep stacking up. Things like the PS2 era Final Fantasy games get a play through every couple of years, just to pick an example.
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I don't pay full price for those games either, for the exact same reason.


Me either, I know that I got Bioshock: Inf., Xcom:EU (Which I sold for 8 dollars), Bioshock (Which I gave to Turin), and Mafia 2 for 25 dollars. So with the 8 from Xcom, total I paid was 17 dollars. PS3 games Like I said I use Gamefly for. DmC i paid 29.99? for I think as a pre-order.

I only buy stuff on sale now days.Very few games will I preorder, NISA and Jrpgs being the exception, and thats only so the companies see interest in that market so they keep bringing games over.

The last full priced game I bought was Simcity '13, which I returned to amazon 2 days later, only because the wife wanted to play and didnt inform me til it was already out, and before that WoW:MoP and Diablo 3 Collectors Ed.

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#79 Mar 29 2013 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Just finished the game, the ending was good but also kind of @#%^ed up. The illusion of choice in the game was a nice kick in the nuts, considering the past two games. Smiley: glare
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#80 Mar 29 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
FYI- I don't see how beating 1999 mode and getting the achievement of doing so while not using the dollar bill vending machines is possible without the golden pistol, machine guns, & the ammo gear you get from the pre-order/season pass.

Also, setting crows on fire is a lot more fun than it sounds.
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Simply put, you only use the weapons that the enemies mainly use which are machine guns, shotguns, and the RPG. Then just scavenge ammo from their cold dead hands pockets.
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Also, setting crows on fire is a lot more fun than it sounds.


I dunno...
it sounds pretty fun.
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#83 Mar 29 2013 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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Simply put, you only use the weapons that the enemies mainly use which are machine guns, shotguns, and the RPG. Then just scavenge ammo from their cold dead hands pockets.


It takes 2+ headshots to take down normal mobs with the Golden pistol. I shudder to think what its going to take to kill a handyman. And the mobs stumble around a lot more, making them harder to hit >.<

Also, I thought the kicking you to the main menu if you run out of $ in 1999 mode, post death, would mean starting from the beginning again. It doesn't. So if you want to have all the money you had before you died, just die some more until it kicks you to the menu & restart from your last checkpoint with full money. Then, try not to die again.

There's been some differences in this playthrough as well in Battleship Bay relating to the decision whether to throw the ball at the couple or not (still dunno what happens if the time runs out though), not having Fink's guy show up (I got his gear reward from someone else), & dialogue relating to choosing a different necklace for Elizabeth (but that one's an obvious difference as I chose the cage this time).

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Elizabeth: "If the Vox get these weapons, there's going to be a revolution, just like Les Misérables! They're going to have better lives."

I don't think Elizabeth saw how that book ended Smiley: dubious
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Elizabeth: "If the Vox get these weapons, there's going to be a revolution, just like Les Misérables! They're going to have better lives."

I don't think Elizabeth saw how that book ended Smiley: dubious


Yeah, I actually said "oh honey, didn't you read the end of that one?" It's like the folks who think Wuthering Heights is a love story when it's a "everything goes terrible because of obsession and revenge and people being terrible people" story.
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You need to remember she led a sheltered life. Death, Betrayal and War don't sound nearly as horrible in books. Most generalize or don't get into the gory details of each person. I havn't read the book personally, but have read lots of books with war in them overall, and unless they're trying to show how gruesome it can be.

Most books gloss it over, and only show the overall good that came from it, not the human brutality side.

Least thats how I was taking away her comments. Showing shes naive to what revolution actually means.

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You need to remember she led a sheltered life. Death, Betrayal and War don't sound nearly as horrible in books.

Except no part of Les Miserables remotely hinted that things were better for the people following the failed revolt. It's not a question of how bad war is, the revolution in Les Mis just completely and unambiguously failed.

I figure she just got bored during one of the long-ass sections dedicated to the manufacture of jet buttons or Hugo's thoughts on the viability of night soil as a means of feeding the growing population of Paris and just never finished the book Smiley: wink2

More charitably, it was two only partially related thoughts that just happened to sound amusing together. "A revolution just like in Les Mis", stop, "They're going to have better lives", stop.


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Finished the game at 17 hours (including watching through all the credits). Felt well worth the time & money.

Also, I just noticed I received zero achievements on Steam. Guess it was bugged. I don't care but it's weird.

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Now that you've finished, who's to say that Elizabeth's version of Les Mis ended the same way as ours? Hehe.
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Now that you've finished, who's to say that Elizabeth's version of Les Mis ended the same way as ours? Hehe.

Maybe her's had space monsters and ninjas! Smiley: laugh
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#91 Mar 30 2013 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
And Big Daddies!

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#92 Mar 31 2013 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
I did a 14.5 hour marathon yesterday to finish the game, (plus 2 hours Friday night) First game in a long time I can't wait to actually play through a 2nd time.
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Woot my first double post Smiley: bah

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#95 Mar 31 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
And finished. 19 hours for me, that does include some long pauses while I was playing and doing some spring cleaning yesterday.

Well worth the money. Still kind of processing how I feel about the ending. Enjoyable ride though for sure, I can see myself playing it again and forcing myself away from my weapon and vapor comfort zone a bit. I have a tendency never to be without a sniper rifle once I get my hands on one and anything that could be crowed I dun crowed it.

The only part of the game that kind of fell short for me was the bit with the 3 tears and the dead mother. The pacing was just off. I felt like that part had far too much needless backtracking and directional stupidity.

Other than that I had a ton of fun. Will try 1999 mode for sure at some point.
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And finished. 19 hours for me, that does include some long pauses while I was playing and doing some spring cleaning yesterday.

Well worth the money. Still kind of processing how I feel about the ending. Enjoyable ride though for sure, I can see myself playing it again and forcing myself away from my weapon and vapor comfort zone a bit. I have a tendency never to be without a sniper rifle once I get my hands on one and anything that could be crowed I dun crowed it.

The only part of the game that kind of fell short for me was the bit with the 3 tears and the dead mother. The pacing was just off. I felt like that part had far too much needless backtracking and directional stupidity.

Other than that I had a ton of fun. Will try 1999 mode for sure at some point.


More or less my feelings on the pacing, part of which I had a feeling it was towards the end and had a sense of urgency to finish at that point. Also seemed to always have the sniper rifle myself, it was just too darn powerful and fun to blow heads off Smiley: tongue Missed 3 recordings and 10ish of the video things, not bad IMO. Probably try to find those on the hard setting and save 1999 mode for DLC.
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The only part of the game that kind of fell short for me was the bit with the 3 tears and the dead mother. The pacing was just off. I felt like that part had far too much needless backtracking and directional stupidity.

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Missed 3 recordings and 10ish of the video things, not bad IMO. Probably try to find those on the hard setting and save 1999 mode for DLC.


You can actually replay the chapters on your current save. This would allow you to enjoy the second playthrough without having to do a scavenger hunt in each area.
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I finished in about twelve hours, but I missed ten or so recordings and five videos/telescopes. Once I got my hands on a hand cannon, I pretty much never put it down. Crows and a hand cannon is a quick way to take care of a crowd. One part I didn't care for was the bit near the end where you're in the future, looking for Elizabeth and you would get mobbed by those weird mask wearing freaks if you got spotted by that creature with the horns on it's head. The entire game up to that point is pretty much a straight forward fire fight, but you really had to sneak around in that area, which didn't really work for me.
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Turin wrote:
I finished in about twelve hours, but I missed ten or so recordings and five videos/telescopes. Once I got my hands on a hand cannon, I pretty much never put it down. Crows and a hand cannon is a quick way to take care of a crowd. One part I didn't care for was the bit near the end where you're in the future, looking for Elizabeth and you would get mobbed by those weird mask wearing freaks if you got spotted by that creature with the horns on it's head. The entire game up to that point is pretty much a straight forward fire fight, but you really had to sneak around in that area, which didn't really work for me.


Yeah, that was also the first time in the game on normal mode that I had ammo problems. Was a bit strange going from always full to, crap I need to throw away my beloved sniper rifle and burst gun for a pistol and shotgun. Once I realized they leash if you run past them though it was not too bad.I just found their leash point and stood on the edge and whacked them. I was not in a sneaking mood.
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#101 Mar 31 2013 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Turin wrote:
One part I didn't care for was the bit near the end where you're in the future, looking for Elizabeth and you would get mobbed by those weird mask wearing freaks if you got spotted by that creature with the horns on it's head. The entire game up to that point is pretty much a straight forward fire fight, but you really had to sneak around in that area, which didn't really work for me.

I actually killed the first couple rooms full of them and was grumbling about my dwindling ammo before it occurred to me to sneak past. I didn't find it too hard, just a matter of timing and ducking.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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