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#1 Feb 20 2013 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.the-magicbox.com/1302/game130220a.shtml

I'm interested in seeing how people will react to all the modifications made to the ps4, especially the cloud base system, which i like, since i dont have a huge collection of disk games, and since im anti-gamestop, wonder how itll affect them
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#3Ishihara, Posted: Feb 20 2013 at 10:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Will be announced? Today IS Feb 20th, anyway didnt see that when I looked.
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Maybe I should read the thread next time...

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#5 Feb 21 2013 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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Here's a little side by side of the PS4 vs the Xbox 720. PS4 will be more powerful.

Still no firm release date. Christmastime this year still sounds like best guess. Anyone caught wind of prices?

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#6 Feb 21 2013 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
Wait, I'm suppose to get excited for a concole that is only on par with my current PC? That doesn't come out for another 6-9 months and will be even farther behind PC's at that point? No thanks
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Here's a little side by side of the PS4 vs the Xbox 720. PS4 will be more powerful.

Still no firm release date. Christmastime this year still sounds like best guess. Anyone caught wind of prices?


Whether it's more powerful or not has a good chance of being irrelevant. The PS3 was purportedly more powerful than the 360, but consistently looked worse due to cross-platform bottlenecking and ease-of-development issues. I'm more curious about what it's like to develop for, and Sony seemed to be making a lot of noise about the PS4 being more open and simple to make games on. That'd be a big win, if it's the case.

No firm release date, no price announcements yet. The former might not come until TGS, the latter seems like a good bet for E3.

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Wait, I'm suppose to get excited for a concole that is only on par with my current PC? That doesn't come out for another 6-9 months and will be even farther behind PC's at that point? No thanks


I think that's a myopic way of looking at it, though it's a valid enough mindset if you're indeed only concerned about graphical fidelity. Better to look at the exclusive software - are there games worth playing on it? Then there's ease of use: consoles have always been great for the ability to pop a disc in and play it, no questions asked. Sony's making a lot of overtures towards out-of-the-box functionality, like risk free demos and the ability to play a game while downloading it, too.

I found the announcement interesting, and I'm cautiously optimistic for the system, even if I probably won't be buying one this year. The 1st party stuff shown didn't do it for me (Killzone in particularly disappointed me greatly), and the 3rd party stuff is mostly too nebulous to invest in right now. Watch Dogs looked solid, but didn't blow my mind.

Still, the system's feature list looks impressive, and the company strategy seems legit. That's reassuring for an early reveal.

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#8 Feb 21 2013 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm interested to see what will happen with Xbox because most third party titles will likely be produced based on the specs of that system. I could see developers ignoring the WiiU if PS/Xbox have similar RAM specs like last generation. If the Xbox has less RAM, the games probably won't take advantage of the extra RAM on PS like most console to PC ports, an afterthought. 8GB of GDDR5 RAM has the potential to be huge and is double the amount of most leaks. Bear in mind this is GDDR5 RAM like that used in video cards, not the DDR3 you find in your PC that has 16/32GB whatever. There's a lot of potential under the hood here and the concensus seems to be that it is on par with a 7950.

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I don't know how relevant this is now but I have always found consoles can have far lower specs than a PC and still produce games on par with PC games.

The #1 thing I am looking at right now is if greed is going to take over and kill the used games market.
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Sony's head of worldwide game studios, Shuhei Yoshida confirmed, the PS4 will not require an always online connection and will not block used games. It will be up to publishers if they want to require an online registration for their games.
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I don't know how relevant this is now but I have always found consoles can have far lower specs than a PC and still produce games on par with PC games.


yea. xbox 360 has 512 mb of ram and the games arent that horrible.
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Another good thing about the PS4 for PC gamers is its x86 based, therefore ports with be easier and quicker. One of the only reasons I own a PS3 is for console exclusive games, and Jrpgs because we dont get those on PC. Unfortunately Jrpgs have been in major decline this generation and atm I don't see a huge uptake on them, even with Ni No Kuni being a hit.
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I don't know how relevant this is now but I have always found consoles can have far lower specs than a PC and still produce games on par with PC games.

This is generally because the PC games are console ports and/or designed to run with minimal system specs. Allow the PC to break loose and it'll blow the console away. As well it should, given the more advanced technology. Take a look at modded Skyrim or even Dark Souls after that guy modded away much of the console derived crippling of the graphics.

Art style can play a part too. Dishonored on consoles looks about the same as on PC cranked up. But that's because there's a more distinct ceiling when you're not striving for realism.

Edit: This shouldn't be taken as "I think console games all look like crap". I'm just saying PC games can naturally look a lot better which shouldn't be any surprise. That there isn't as large of a gulf between the two has more to do with holding back PC capabilities for various reasons than it does consoles exceeding their potential.

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Too late. This is now officially a console vs. PC gaming thread.

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Good thing about consoles is everyone gets to have a similar gaming experience because of the standardized hardware. PCs vary so much, a persons experience is tied to their system specs.

Consoles are Communism...
Joph, you should love Consoles, you dirty socialist liberal.
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Asylum is that way. There's a reason I don't thread there, you all eat souls and spit out fire there. I stick to my relatively safe gaming/Tv/General forums.

Also I don't mind console vs PC stuff because now they are essentially the same, sans input types.
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Asylum is that way. There's a reason I don't thread there, you all eat souls and spit out fire there.


Don't worry, it's probably one of the tamer forums on Alla now.
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BOW DOWN BEFORE THE PC MASTER RACE Smiley: bowdown Smiley: king

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I wonder if they'll implement an overall trophy score similar to Xbox's Gamer Score. While I'm not a huge achievement enthusiast, I do have to admit that there's a certain allure to an overall achievement "score".
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There's a reason I don't thread there, you all eat souls and spit out fire there.

Isn't BeanX the stuff that you eat and it keeps you from farting?

It's pure logistics. My computer is tucked in a corner of a spare room. It's nice for computing and even gaming computing, but I can't stand back 6 feet from it and do ninja moves, nor can I do any multi-person stuff with it. It's just not designed to be the center of attention.

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Consoles are Communism...
Joph, you should love Consoles, you dirty socialist liberal.

Young, naive TirithRR...

As long as I have a computer with better specs than the consoles, PC's are obviously better so I can lord it over the lower classes.

Should I ever fall behind, THEN I demand equal gaming access for all. In the name of equality and fairness, you understand.
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There's a reason I don't thread there, you all eat souls and spit out fire there.

Isn't BeanX the stuff that you eat and it keeps you from farting?


I think that's Gas-X and Beano
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I wonder how much it would cost to slap together a HTPC with similar specs.
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There wasn't all that much that interested me at the PS3 reveal, but that's because I don't care about the social media aspects. More power, I like. Cloud gaming, I like. I'm hearing rumors that it'll allow a lot more developer freedom for game publishing, which would be great for letting it compete with PC gaming.

But, to be honest, I'll be switching to a PC when I have enough saved that I don't mind the loss. I don't have anything against consoles, and if you aren't going to be buying a lot of titles than it's definitely cheaper, but even my laptop tends to vastly eclipse my PS3 when it comes to time spent gaming. And it doesn't get high FPS. Ever.

My PS3's primary use nowadays is that it's my Netflix box.

Will I get a PS4? I honestly don't know. If it has some awesome exclusives, maybe. But am I planning to get one? No.
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Will I get a PS4? I honestly don't know. If it has some awesome exclusives, maybe. But am I planning to get one? No.
If I can swing the money and my roommates don't already plan on buying one each, I will be buying it for this.


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I have the first inFamous free from the PSN nightmare. I think I cleared through the first chapter or two, but that's it. Wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing for me.

Though I've actually gotten far more into superhero/comics stuff since then. So maybe I'll enjoy it more now? It's still on my system, so I might as well check it out.
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I wonder how much it would cost to slap together a HTPC with similar specs.

I've seen a couple people try and take a stab at it but there honestly isn't enough info about the processor or graphic card yet to be serious about the attempt.
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I wonder how much it would cost to slap together a HTPC with similar specs.



Well the specs are :
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Hmm GDDR5 is just faster DDR3 (very basic explanation)
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So sort of what I built recently seems to be about the measure. Around the 800/900 dollar mark (this includes case/PSU/Mobo/Etc). So a note is atm I can play almost every game Ive put in it on high (Have not played crisis) at 1080p @ 60mhz averaging around the 60 FPS mark, except Planetside 2 In medium (100) to larger(200+) battles I get around 35 fps, thats GPU cap, outside battle I average 70 + and GPU cap
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I came in closer to $600-$700 though I think I could do better if I put any effort into it. I get the feeling the processor and GPU will be lower wattage components due to heat issues and a little less performance than some people are expecting. Mobile quality components rather than PC stuff.
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Can someone explain to me why shared RAM between the CPU and GPU is superior than having a GPU with its own dedicated memory? Becasue I can't help but feel that it's just adding more RAM than is even necessary just to patch a hole.

So I'm assuming I'm grossly misunderstanding something?
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Can someone explain to me why shared RAM between the CPU and GPU is superior than having a GPU with its own dedicated memory? Becasue I can't help but feel that it's just adding more RAM than is even necessary just to patch a hole.

So I'm assuming I'm grossly misunderstanding something?


I'm taking a shot in the dark and guessing here.

PS4, unlike PC, can do 2 things Play games or use XMB. That's it really. Shared RAM in this situation lets the XMB use more if a game isnt being played or the game if the XMB isnt being played. They could say well the graphics has 6GB dedicated and the System has 2 GB dedicated. But this creates small problems, you use more GPU power (or have an extra chip to coordinate the video ram and GPU core, which takes up space in whats supposed to be a small console) since its also controlling its own ram instead of the northbridge sorting it out for it, and if no game is running the max ram the system can use is 2 gigs letting 6 gigs go to waste if a video game isnt being played at that time.

Sharing the ram allows Sony to give more Ram to the system while the GPU is being unused and more to the GPU when the system isnt being used, or rather when its in background.

It makes sense kind of, again I'm no expert and not as informed or educated as i would like to be on the subject. Shared memory in a PC is different due to the multi tasking a PC is doing all the time and the variable that comes with the user being able to run w/e.

I know this doesnt do a great job of explaining it all but I didnt want to type out a ton of what I think is going on as fact when I know only the basics behind how the CPU/GPU/RAM/NorthBridge/Southbridge all work together, and even some of that info may be dated becuase I studied it a while ago and don't remember much.






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I guess that makes sense. I was just confused by the way they seemed to be trumpeting the shared RAM as a feature of the system. I was watching the reveal and wondering when the last time someone got excited about RAM was, and why I should feel excited about what clearly felt like a cost-cutting option.
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I didn't really see anything that blew me away (although Deep Down looks like it has potential, Capcom, not holding breath etc). The Vita functionality makes it a day one purchase as long as they deliver a certain amount for remote play. Sony said it won't block used games, but their phrasing made it sound like they have tech in there that will make that a developer option. One thing I forgot to mention is that I'm excited for the controller.

So far, everything I've seen and heard leave me feeling positive and hopeful.
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Sony said it won't block used games, but their phrasing made it sound like they have tech in there that will make that a developer option.


I've heard this regarding that.
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Sony said it won't block used games, but their phrasing made it sound like they have tech in there that will make that a developer option.


I've heard this regarding that.
We'll probably see the trend of "online pass" codes continue, where if you buy the game new, you get full access, but a used game purchase will likely require purchase of the code in order to access online gameplay. With most games having some sort of online component nowadays, it's a way to recoup some money lost to used game sales.
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Maybe I'm alone here, but I really don't care if Sony or Microsoft block used games. I do believe targeting the used game industry is a terrible idea though.

More of an issue to me is how they accomplish it.
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I just want to see their direct distribution systems become a bit more robust and have frequent sales like PC DD. I wouldn't mind giving my money directly to them if they made their prices competitive.
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Maybe I'm alone here, but I really don't care if Sony or Microsoft block used games. I do believe targeting the used game industry is a terrible idea though.

More of an issue to me is how they accomplish it.


MMOs have been doing it for years. And I don't really care either because I don't buy/sell used games, but I can understand why a lot of people would be ****


What I'm a little more concerned about is the recent leak of a flowchart demonstrating how they (supposedly) plan on preventing piracy. Basically it showed the system measuring the load times, verifying the time it took to load the game and validating it, then flagging a user ID as valid or not. This would be easy to dance around as a pirate, but is so full of potential headaches for the consumer that I can't understand why they would even consider it.
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What I'm a little more concerned about is the recent leak of a flowchart demonstrating how they (supposedly) plan on preventing piracy. Basically it showed the system measuring the load times, verifying the time it took to load the game and validating it, then flagging a user ID as valid or not. This would be easy to dance around as a pirate, but is so full of potential headaches for the consumer that I can't understand why they would even consider it.


It's just a patent filing. Companies the size of Sony file tens of thousands of them, and most never see the light of day. It's a healthy defensive technique employed by most corporations - they're rarely something that a consumer needs to be concerned about.

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I wonder if The Last Guardian will be end up on the PS4. If it ever gets released, that is.
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I just want to see their direct distribution systems become a bit more robust and have frequent sales like PC DD. I wouldn't mind giving my money directly to them if they made their prices competitive.


Pretty much this. Almost all of my PS3/N games are either my free games from PS+, from the Sales (50% off FF games/Namco games) or from the bargin bin digital section (19.99 for Bayonetta). If PSN was more like steam I would have like 300 games (like Steam) or if they allowed 3rd party to sell keys so it wasnt a complete monopoly.

Also they really need to fix their previous downloads list, ATM even with about 100 things on it (Alot of Demos + Full game unlocks) Its a pain to remember exactly whats mine, whats part of my free PS+ games, and overall its a messy way of storing the info.
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I wonder if The Last Guardian will be end up on the PS4. If it ever gets released, that is.


My money's on Last Guardian release date announced (for both PS3 and PS4) at this year's E3. The date will be in time for the holidays, maybe a PS4 launch title.
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I don't know why I really want to play a game that's probably going to make me cry like a little **** anyway.
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I wonder if The Last Guardian will be end up on the PS4. If it ever gets released, that is.


My money's on Last Guardian release date announced (for both PS3 and PS4) at this year's E3. The date will be in time for the holidays, maybe a PS4 launch title.


I'll take that bet. I think the game is vaporware.
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