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#127 May 25 2012 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, how much of a wizard are you?
Wizard enough to save the President.
You better. She is your girlfriend after all.

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#128 May 25 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
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Allegory wrote:
Also, how much of a wizard are you?
Wizard enough to save the President.
You better. She is your girlfriend after all.

Item #4 on that list.


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It's still more plausible than Ron Paul getting elected.


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#129 May 25 2012 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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****... I think someone logged into my account somehow. Stash and inventory has been stripped clean. Only thing left was my AH items and the Black Mushroom.
I never joined a public game. Played a little bit in the morning, just enough to see the AH was down and logged out.

Not sure how they got it. I've only ever used my Battle.net account for D3. Really bummed out, scanned my computer for anything just in case, not that I expected to find anything since I have up to date anti virus and anti spy/malware. Never visited any D3 websites beyond Zam and Battle.net.

Edited, May 25th 2012 9:46pm by TirithRR
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#130 May 25 2012 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
Ugh, that sucks.

From what I've been reading, the whole public game session ID thing was just a rumor. In every single instance that has been reported on the forums and a blue has asked for a battletag, the poster just abandons the thread and doesn't respond. In addition, Blizzard has said that there has not been a single instance of someone with an authenticator being hacked.

So yeah. Public games are safe.

But Tirith, that sucks. Often times you can pick up a keylogger from a malicious ad on a frequently visited site - even Zam or Battle.net. The keyloggers are insidious and sneaky. Seriously.
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#131 May 25 2012 at 11:41 PM Rating: Good
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A3 Normal was the first time I died in my initial playthrough. When you get to the basement area of the keep, and those lunatics rush you and explode. Trying to get through there made me take my first look at AH wares in order to build some up some decent VIT on my DH.

A2 Inferno is interesting. Public games are amusing. One DH called me a terrible because I was kiting backwards towards camp and playing conservatively to kill the wasps and stuff in the canyon. He called me terrible after managing to die four times to wasps. As a DH.

Also, I had to put Caltrops back on my bar. I sacrificed my bat. Smiley: frown
Current build here.

Edited, May 25th 2012 2:44pm by Spoonless


I question your use of Battle Scars for Prep (since pretty much anything in Inferno that poses a threat will 1-shot you anyway), but otherwise I'm running an almost identical build (switched to reduced cost on SS to try it out, but idk that it's doing enough good for me to care).
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#132 May 26 2012 at 12:18 AM Rating: Excellent
I got scared when I found a blue mob named "Dataminer" in ACT 1 Nightmare, under the Cemetary. Thought I got hacked, turned out Blizzard thinks they're funny.
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#133 May 26 2012 at 12:34 AM Rating: Good
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I got scared when I found a blue mob named "Dataminer" in ACT 1 Nightmare, under the Cemetary. Thought I got hacked, turned out Blizzard thinks they're funny.


I'm presuming you found Development ****? There is another area, I think under a well or something, where they have the names of the QA team members or something. I don't remember what that one is called. (For those who don't know, Development **** is an area that has mobs named after the developers of DIII.)
#134 May 26 2012 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
Nope. When you're searching for the skeleton king's crown in ACT I you have 3 crypt options. Dataminer was in the 2nd one I explored (NW of the portal. Dataminer was in the SEasternmost corner of that map) which I also explored when going through on normal. I know not of "developer ****", but I heard about the secret level that's somewhat my little pony inspired.

I also know my mushroom gives me access, but haven't yet bothered to look up how. I'm guessing I'll need to eat it?


Edited, May 26th 2012 6:48am by Omegavegeta
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#135 May 26 2012 at 5:07 AM Rating: Good
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Development **** is one of the crypts in that area. Normally there are only 3 open that you can search through, but there's a chance the fourth one is open and when you step inside it's called "Development ****." I think I vaguely recall running into a Dataminer special mob elsewhere at one point, so you may not have found the secret crypt.

The black mushroom needs to be used with a number of other items to get to Whimsyshire, including Wirt's bell which is bought in Act II. I haven't done it yet, but it looks like fun.
#136 May 26 2012 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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Vataro wrote:
I question your use of Battle Scars for Prep (since pretty much anything in Inferno that poses a threat will 1-shot you anyway), but otherwise I'm running an almost identical build (switched to reduced cost on SS to try it out, but idk that it's doing enough good for me to care).
Backup Plan is nice, too, but I like Battle Scars because I seem to be running into a lot of Reflects Damage affixes and I can alternate that as a heal with my potions. I might swap it out because in A2 I'm getting one-shot, but in A1 I could survive a hit from just about anything.
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#137 May 26 2012 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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I'll be getting a rollback (sometime today hopefully) I'll be losing 2 levels and a bit of progress, but it's better than starting clean.

I guess I'll also be buying an Authenticator...

I'm curious what I did wrong to let someone get my account info. All scans came up clean (I expected as much) the only thing that came up was a false positive "root kit" that my anti-virus found that was just the drivers used by my firewall software. While my Bnet account was old, I had never used it beyond the initial creation and now for D3 (I think I created it in anticipation for Starcraft II but never got it). This is only the second account that was ever compromised, first being my Xbox Live account, which again sat idle for a good year until one day I noticed a charge. The password probably wasn't as strong as it should have been (still a good one, but not great) but it was unique to this account. I'm wondering if they just didn't brute force there way in?
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#138 May 26 2012 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Do you have a smartphone? I'm pretty sure the app is free.

Some links to the various authenticators here.

Edited, May 26th 2012 10:10am by Spoonless
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#139 May 26 2012 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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No smart phone, ordered a blizzard authenticator, they are only 6.50, and free shipping, so it's not that bad.

Probably going to play Torchlight til I get the Authenticator.
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#140 May 26 2012 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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My WoW account got hacked once. Definitely sucked. I got most of my stuff back, at least.

Tith, what malware setup are you using?
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#141 May 26 2012 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Spybot S&D and Malwarebytes Anti Malware for checking and cleaning on occasion. AVG for active anti virus. CCleaner to clean up temporary files on occasion. Firefox up to date with no script and adblock plus.

While the reviews of AVG have gone down hill for the last many updates, I don't believe it is 'bad' by any means.
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#142 May 26 2012 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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I can't say for sure--I've always heard mixed reviews of AVG. Some people swear by it, others aren't so trusting. Definitely better than something like Norton or McAfee though. I'm using MSE, and I'm liking it. It might be worth downloading just to try scanning your PC to see if AVG missed something.
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#143 May 26 2012 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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I scanned with MSE just to be sure, didn't pick up anything bad.

Updated Malwarebyte's picked up one "threat" but it was a part of Alcohol 120 (the CD/DVD Drive Emulator). Not exactly a threat (and definitely not infected). They always have a habit of picking those types of programs, probably because of how they work relative to actual threats. Similar to AVG flagging my firewall software (but only at the latest update).

I'll switch over to MSE for a while and see how I like it. I've been looking to replace AVG for some time because the "free" version has become a bit bloated and ad filled. Scan times have gotten progressively longer and scans more CPU intensive as the program's been updated over the last couple years.
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#144 May 26 2012 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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I've been quite happy with MSE. I think Kao is actually the one who recommended it to me, but that was at least two years ago so I can't remember. It's lightweight and updates regularly. Even better, there is no paid version, so you don't have to worry about losing anything held back for paying customers.

CNet seems to recommend Panda Cloud Antivirus' Free Edition, which is another lightweight protection program. Then again, they also recommend Norton, which I hate with an undying passion, which actually seeds pretty hefty distrust for me.
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#145 May 26 2012 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
They recommend it because Norton has gotten much much better than it used to be. It's actually a good suite now. McAfee still sucks.

The truth however though is that millions of iterations of malware are rehashed every day and definitions cannot keep up. Even heuristic detection can only do so much. Sometimes you need to use a boot disk scanner as well because root kits can hide from Windows API, be sure to turn off restore points first so they don't hop right back out of it. Looking at your processes can also help with process explorer or something similar. Or if your really hardcore you can look at network traffic leaving your machine and see if your PC is communicating with command and control servers for known botnets.

We catch them like that at work every week when traditional AV misses them. Once we see the malicious traffic at the network gateway we can run a gammit of tools to find out where the infection is on the machine. But the truth is you can lock down your machine, no admin privs, firefox, noscript, adblock and the like and that helps but you can never be 100% protected.

And they keep getting my info from games I played like Rift and Champions Online when their servers get penetrated. And their is **** all I can do about that except to use unique passwords and watch my credit and whatnot to make sure no one is taking out loans in my name. Smiley: glare blah
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#146 May 26 2012 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Definitely better than something like Norton


And this is based on your extensive background in infosec and grayware? Funny how people with absolutely no security background bash Norton left and right, while people who actually know what they're talking about consistently rank Norton in the top 5, if not number 1. Norton was never bad as an AV scanner, it just used to be a resource hog, which they fixed years ago.


As far as the mysterious keylogger/virus, you likely don't have one. I was onboard with the whole keylogger thing for awhile, but the number of Blizzard accounts lost over the years vs. the number of keyloggers actually found does not indicate a virus. If the people actually writing these viruses were that successful, they wouldn't be hitting MMOs. Anywhere along the lines there could be a security issue that has nothing to do with you.
#147 May 26 2012 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Seems you guys actually started posting here while I was engrossed in the game. I'm a level 60 barb, been farming inferno act 1 for the past day or so. Found a nice legendary today, hopefully I didn't overprice it and it sells.

Have any of you guys been using teamspeak/skype/vent or stuff for talking? Me and my friends have been using skype but it's a pretty lackluster way to go about it imo. Although that's solely because only one of my friends is my level right now lol. Wish you could be in a party to talk with people without being forced to join the game.
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#148 May 26 2012 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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My friends used Steam to VC. Im 52 barb Now Just passed the Skeleton King on **** mode. Was lucky and got a Legendary Monk Fist to drop.
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#149 May 26 2012 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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I use all three voice chat programs. Though I'm typically on TS3 with friends, this is only because of one small problem with skype. With skype, you have a host and so if the host must leave for any reason you must restart the call. Additionally, people must be invited to the call which makes joining and leaving frequently an issue.

Other than that though, I think skype is a rather outstanding program, if resource intensive. The call quality is superb.

You can host your own TS3 server if you have a decent enough rig, and TS3 is both superior and leaner to Ventrilo atm.
#150 May 26 2012 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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Definitely better than something like Norton


And this is based on your extensive background in infosec and grayware? Funny how people with absolutely no security background bash Norton left and right, while people who actually know what they're talking about consistently rank Norton in the top 5, if not number 1. Norton was never bad as an AV scanner, it just used to be a resource hog, which they fixed years ago.


As far as the mysterious keylogger/virus, you likely don't have one. I was onboard with the whole keylogger thing for awhile, but the number of Blizzard accounts lost over the years vs. the number of keyloggers actually found does not indicate a virus. If the people actually writing these viruses were that successful, they wouldn't be hitting MMOs. Anywhere along the lines there could be a security issue that has nothing to do with you.


Well in Digg's defense it was also very hard to remove cleanly and caused other problems. It just goes to show you how that kind of reputation damage is hard for a company to get over. Especially when they earned it. But yes it's good now, top 3 most likely.

But what really boggles the mind is that AV requires kernel access hooks. Because it needs that to beat malware. But if they closed off all kernel access hooking the bad guys could not use it and AV would not need it. I also agree that accounts are not always compromised locally. Though that is the low hanging fruit as it were and the most likely scenario in most cases.
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#151 May 26 2012 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I've heard of the problems with clean removal and other issues, but I have never experienced them, which leads me to believe a lot of the issues are not purely on Norton's end and may be conflicts with other programs. Many of the other issues were associated with resource management because Norton essentially took over your system during a scan, which really shouldn't be an issue since you shouldn't be using your system during a full scan anyway. But as far as detection and removal, Norton has been one of the best for a long time.

As far as kernel access, their are other programs that need it. But yea, it is a bit of a double edged sword. Although if you remove it completely, it would make a kernel 0Day the end-all of viruses.

Client-side compromises due to viruses or phishing, or even brute force, do make up a good portion of compromised accounts, but I wouldn't say most. How many keyloggers have actually been found on systems used with a compromised account? Of those found, how many of those are just abandoned keyloggers simply floating around out there? I would say phishing compromises are more likely than keyloggers.

Remember a company is not required to disclose a breach unless sensitive customer information is accessed, and your name, address, and email do not count as sensitive information. Now imagine the backlash if Blizzard admitted to a breach, regardless of how small or insignificant. The media would rip them to shreds and almost every customer who ever had a compromised account would be demanding compensation.
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