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#352 Apr 02 2012 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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Drulian, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
You are never actually on the Citadel, which is why you need to play the game and read all the codex's! (I'm 100% behind the whole indocrination(sp) theory)


Yeah, I read up on that theory and it looks interesting, but I'm torn. I hope they're going to change the ending to something that isn't "Shepard dies, Shepard dies, Shepard kills off all artificial intelligence" and give me my corny happy ending, but at the same time, I seriously hope they didn't plan on doing this all along. They've announced that they'll be changing the endings to be more "clear," which supports the theory that you're not actually on the Citadel and Shepard is actually fighting off indoctrination (as indicated by his repeated dream with the kid). This, however, also means they've been planning on adding the real ending as DLC. Likely DLC that costs money. I don't feel especially compelled to pay money for an ending to a game I already paid for...

If we've reached a point where video games are sold half-done at full price so the developer/publisher can sell the other half as DLC for more money then I'm seriously done throwing my money at them.
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#353 Apr 02 2012 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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If you're buying a game solely for the ending, then why would you read it first?

If you're interested in more than just the ending, then buy the game, enjoy the other 99% that makes ME3 the best in the series (imo, if you ignore the ending, that is). If the new ending is paid DLC, then just read about it again and continue to enjoy an otherwise great game.

Even if the ending is a little odd, everything leading up to it is absolutely epic.
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#354 Apr 02 2012 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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If you're buying a game solely for the ending, then why would you read it first?

If you're interested in more than just the ending, then buy the game, enjoy the other 99% that makes ME3 the best in the series (imo, if you ignore the ending, that is). If the new ending is paid DLC, then just read about it again and continue to enjoy an otherwise great game.

Even if the ending is a little odd, everything leading up to it is absolutely epic.


Exactly! Though I think Bioware has an opportunity to restore some faith by releasing "The Truth" DLC for free, I've even heard rumors of such. It would be an epic move for the industry and in the long term gain them more than any short term DLC profit. However I'm not sure if the evil corporate overlords at EA will be convinced as board members generally look to short term quarterly profit above all else.
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#355 Apr 03 2012 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
ME3 is a great overall game. Again, I didn't even hate the ending my Shepard got. I DID hate that when I made a different decision, it was only very slightly different than the original one I picked.

The game itself is fantastic, minus any awkward touching done during "romance" scenes. All of your major decisions in the previous games directly effect the story of 3 & the multiplayer adds a good amount of replay value. Like I said previously, I'm on a new playthrough as a renegade (started on ME1) and I've tried really hard to make different decisions than I did my first playthrough. It's not a completely different game, but different enough to be interesting (A lot more people are dying!).
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#356 Apr 03 2012 at 12:20 AM Rating: Good
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ME3 is a great overall game. Again, I didn't even hate the ending my Shepard got. I DID hate that when I made a different decision, it was only very slightly different than the original one I picked.
That's a big part of it for me, as well. Somewhat relevant.(very minor ending spoilers) The other issue I have is that the whole ending seems contrived and out of left field. That's why I'm so hopeful that the Indoctrination Theory pans out...it explains exactly why everything would be like that.

Honestly, they could have ended everything right after the Illusive Man confrontation and it would have still been a bit unsatisfying, but at least it wouldn't have been as bad as it is.


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#357 Apr 03 2012 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
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xypin wrote:
If you're buying a game solely for the ending, then why would you read it first?

If you're interested in more than just the ending, then buy the game, enjoy the other 99% that makes ME3 the best in the series (imo, if you ignore the ending, that is). If the new ending is paid DLC, then just read about it again and continue to enjoy an otherwise great game.

Even if the ending is a little odd, everything leading up to it is absolutely epic.


I have no doubt that everything leading up to the ending is amazing (I'm in the process of playing the game right now), but without a proper ending the story loses meaning. I normally don't read up on endings before completing a game, but due to me being online, I learned of the ending before I meant to, or rather, I learned that the ending was going to suck like the vacuum of space and that BioWare was considering remedying it in a DLC. That's when I read up on it. To find out if I should play the game or wait until after they'd "fixed" the ending.

I don't buy games, movies or books just for the ending, obviously, but the ending is what binds the story together. In this case, the ending is either a massive letdown in the sense that you don't have any true impact on it (and the quality is far below the rest of the franchise), or not the true ending at all (if the Indoctrination Theory is correct). If it's the former then it's a massive anticlimax and I hope they'll change it to something that makes more sense and gives better closure to the series, considering the holes present in the end (major epilogue needed). If it's the latter then we're looking at the first single player video game where you bought an incomplete product. Even if they release the DLC as a free "expansion" or "epilogue" we're moving onto slippery slope ground here. It's MMO marketing strategy applied to a single player game.

Imagine if The Lord of the Rings ended with Frodo and Sam standing at Mount Doom, about to toss the ring into the volcano. Sam is yelling at Frodo to do it, but Frodo just looks back at Sam, grins and puts on the ring instead...

End of story. No epilogue, no explanation, no "to be concluded," just an ellipsis and done. Doesn't matter how amazing The Lord of the Rings is (it is), that ending would suck so hard I'd get permanent scarring on my ***. You don't end a trilogy with an ellipsis, but that's exactly what BioWare did here.

Edit: Another alternative is that the ending of the game is meant to show indoctrination at work (we, the players, are being indoctrinated). The Paragon and Neutral endings both suck, in the sense that they seem not final and make little sense, except for Shepard dying. The only ending that gives a flicker of hope is the Renegade ending, which is the ending that a "good" person would hesitate to choose. But Anderson wants you to choose the Renegade ending and he's not a "bad" person. The Illusive Man wanted the Paragon ending, but he's not a "good" person. The Reapers want the Neutral ending themselves. The game is messing with our heads, forcing us to go against our own will (we think Paragon is the "good" ending, but it's actually the "bad" one), indicating that our will is not really our own anymore. Indoctrination.

I recommend this article on GameFront where they analyze the possible meanings. It's pretty interesting and does a better job at providing the points I've been trying to provide here.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2012 3:07pm by Mazra
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#358 Apr 03 2012 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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Imagine if The Lord of the Rings ended with Frodo and Sam standing at Mount Doom, about to toss the ring into the volcano. Sam is yelling at Frodo to do it, but Frodo just looks back at Sam, grins and puts on the ring instead...


That doesn't actually sound awful. I mean, it would suck to find that they (seemed to have) failed in the quest. But the ending itself would be pretty epic...

But I'm guessing this has nothing to do with your point.
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Imagine if The Lord of the Rings ended with Frodo and Sam standing at Mount Doom, about to toss the ring into the volcano. Sam is yelling at Frodo to do it, but Frodo just looks back at Sam, grins and puts on the ring instead...


That doesn't actually sound awful. I mean, it would suck to find that they (seemed to have) failed in the quest. But the ending itself would be pretty epic...

But I'm guessing this has nothing to do with your point.
I'm not so sure it's the best analogy, either. It'd be more like Frodo and Sam make it to Mt. Doom, and suddenly Tom Bombadil is waiting for them. And he's all, sup? You can't destroy the ring because if you do your people will kill themselves eventually because that's what people do. You need Sauron to control everyone so no one dies, but you can make him a better guy. (And if Indoctrination Theory holds: And it was never Tom, but the ring telling them all these things. Because it's a liar.) And then, their decision doesn't really matter. Spoilers relevant to ME, not LotR.
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#360 Apr 03 2012 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Imagine if The Lord of the Rings ended with Frodo and Sam standing at Mount Doom, about to toss the ring into the volcano. Sam is yelling at Frodo to do it, but Frodo just looks back at Sam, grins and puts on the ring instead...
That doesn't actually sound awful. I mean, it would suck to find that they (seemed to have) failed in the quest. But the ending itself would be pretty epic...
As long as everything else was resolved by this point, I'd have to agree that it would be an epic ending.
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My roommate keeps getting killed by Marauder Shields on his Insanity run. Smiley: laugh

Semi-Spoilers for ending:

Edited, Apr 3rd 2012 11:45am by Poldaran
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#362 Apr 03 2012 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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My roommate keeps getting killed by Marauder Shields on his Insanity run. Smiley: laugh

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Edited, Apr 3rd 2012 11:45am by Poldaran


That bastich actually killed me on normal when I went to do my second ending.Smiley: blushSmiley: lol Lulzy video btw. ^
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
My roommate keeps getting killed by Marauder Shields on his Insanity run. Smiley: laugh

Semi-Spoilers for ending:


That bastich actually killed me on normal when I went to do my second ending.Smiley: blushSmiley: lol Lulzy video btw. ^
He ended up beating him by bugging him out. Smiley: laugh

Edit: Got my Victory and Commendation packs. Disappointing crap, mostly. Premium Spectre pack, however... Smiley: drool2


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#364 Apr 04 2012 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
Promoted 6 squads with feedback turned on and still no Commendation pack. Smiley: frown This is probably why:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer-Discussion-/Commendation-Pack-Update---Operation-Raptor-10987298-1.html

Apparently there are exploits to give millions in currency per match as well. One guy connected into a random game host and came out with 6 million creds after one match. He reported it to Bioware which is what I would have done as well.

A big part of the fun in multi-player is earning better weapons and the RNG present opening joy of popping packs. Opening 100 Spectre packs in a row would take some of the joy out of it I would think.
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#365 Apr 04 2012 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I get excited every time I open a pack, even though I have zero faith I'll get something good. XD I still don't have any of the rare characters. :P
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#366 Apr 04 2012 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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I started the ending last night. The Cerberus base was a piece of cake, Earth however...
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#367 Apr 04 2012 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
And his name was Marauder Shields.
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#368 Apr 04 2012 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
In death he has a name.

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And his name was Marauder Shields.

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#369 Apr 05 2012 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
Extended ending incoming! (Free no less!)

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#370 Apr 05 2012 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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Does the link have spoilerz?
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#371 Apr 05 2012 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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Does the link have spoilerz?


No, its just the press release announcing it.
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#372 Apr 05 2012 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle uncle. They are doing it for free, kudos to them.

Want to take bets that part of the internet likes it and the other part hates it worse than the original?
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#373 Apr 05 2012 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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They aren't adding any new endings, just expanding the existing ones to answer questions you might have.

So I expect it'll be "I guess that's good enough" vs "This isn't what we f***ing wanted."
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#374 Apr 05 2012 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
I almost don't want them to explain more because it might F up the (ending spoiler) indoctrination theory. I've already written my own ending in my head based on what was there and I like my ending.

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I almost don't want them to explain more because it might F up the (ending spoiler) indoctrination theory. I've already written my own ending in my head based on what was there and I like my ending.
True enough. I really loved the part where Shepard woke up, climbed inside Harbinger via gaps in its armor and shot its core with a point blank Cain while Garrus opened up the citadel and the crucible destroyed all the other reapers. Warning: Made up ending spoilers with minor actual spoilers.


Edited, Apr 5th 2012 1:41pm by Poldaran
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#377 Apr 05 2012 at 7:21 PM Rating: Good
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Master Shojindo wrote:
I almost don't want them to explain more because it might F up the (ending spoiler) indoctrination theory. I've already written my own ending in my head based on what was there and I like my ending.
True enough. I really loved the part where Shepard woke up, climbed inside Harbinger via gaps in its armor and shot its core with a point blank Cain while Garrus opened up the citadel and the crucible destroyed all the other reapers. Warning: Made up ending spoilers with minor actual spoilers.


Edited, Apr 5th 2012 1:41pm by Poldaran


Exactly that part.
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indoctrination theory is just the fans way of trying to explain the ending tho :(
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Friendly reminder--it is always better to err on the safe side when it comes to spoiler tags.
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Clearly BioWare intentionally created such a vague ending so that they would be able to rewrite it in the form of the most popular interpretation by the players.

Also, I wish someone would have told me "Shepard is slowly being indoctrinated" at the very beginning of ME3. I would have gotten a lot more out of the game's story just as one sees all kinds of hints by watching a movie the second time knowing the twist ending.
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Pold should work for BioWare.
If I add in a part to what I wrote earlier where Shepard pries open Harbinger's "skin" with an omni-tool to make an entrance, add in an epic one liner specific to whether Shep is Renegade or Paragon and end it with Shep walking away from the burning wreckage of Harbinger while a reprise of the main theme from ME1 plays, think I could get you to nominate me for pope?
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Resurgence pack coming out April 10th.

Includes 2 new multiplayer maps, new characters and new weapons.

And it's free!

http://kotaku.com/5899786/the-free-mass-effect-3-resurgence-pack-mixes-up-multiplayer-next-week
#383 Apr 06 2012 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Kick. ***.

Kotaku also had an article on the ending DLC. They aren't adding new endings, but they are adding more variance to them to better represent your different choices along the way. This will be done both through cutscene changes and epilogue additions. It will also be available for any save file you have before the ending. So if you completed the game, and want to see the new version of the ending, you can just load up the save you (hopefully) made right before initiating the end.

Their goal is, apparently, to add "clarity and context" to the existing endings.
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Resurgence pack coming out April 10th.

Includes 2 new multiplayer maps, new characters and new weapons.
Asari Justicar Adept and Krogan Vanguard sound completely broken.
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Includes 2 new multiplayer maps, new characters and new weapons.
Asari Justicar Adept and Krogan Vanguard sound completely broken.
I'll be too busy playing a Geth to care. As soon as I get one, I mean.
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#386 Apr 07 2012 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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I think Justicars might be one of my favorite plot elements of Mass Effect. Samara's quest lines are, in my opinion, some of the coolest in ME2+3. I just wish 2's lasted longer.

But seriously, I adored that part in ME3. Well, everything except suddenly having 3 banshees attacking me in one room...

When Samara announced that an Ardat-Yakshi could not live outside a monastery, my jaw litterally dropped. It didn't even enter my mind that Samara would break the code, which made the next part even more powerful.

I have to say, despite possible ending shenanigans (that I still haven't gotten to yet), this game has some remarkable writing.


In other news, I started Tali's mission last night. I was going pure paragon, but I couldn't help but call out Admiral whatshisname for his course of action while I was on board the dreadnought.

I also adore the fact that my choices regarding Tali and Legion actually had a meaningful impact on her character in this game. :3
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If you like Samara, then in the Lair of the Shadowbroker DLC in 2, you can read through the data the Shadowbroker has on everyone.

Samara's is particularly powerful. It contains two things: A transcript of her last conversation with her daughters before she became a Justicar, and a list of possessions she gave up upon becoming a Justicar.

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Samara: I have called you together to ask something of you. It is not a small thing, but it is for the best. Rila, Falere, are you receiving this?

Falere: Quite Well

Rila: [Indistinct]-s Mother.

F: We’re in a common room, her communicator’s too near the door. [Door shuts.] Try now Mother.

S: This news would be best delivered in person, but I am not allowed to travel before tomorrow. I have something I must do. It is hazardous, and thus I must do it alone.

F: What do you mean, hazardous?

S: Tomorrow I take the Oath of Solitude. It is to prepare me for the other oaths, but it means--

F: You what?

S: It is an oath required of all who--

F: I know what it means Mother! I’m forty-two years old. I have heard of justicars.

S: Then… do you understand why I must do it?

F: No.

S: The life of a justicar is dangerous. I will make enemies and they would seek to use you-

F: That I understand. What is not clear is why you do this in the first place. Is it not enough that we live a hundred light-years away from you in a dark fortress? That we have no communicator of our own but must use this communal one? Do you know what it means to us to hear your voice?

S: I am sorry, Falere.

F: And now you take that away.

S: That is wounding, but it is the truth. I wish there were some other path.

F: And you called us instead of coming to see us.

S: If I came to see you, I would never leave. You know what that would mean.

F: Is she that terrible, Mother? Is she so much of a menace that you would deny us ever seeing you, ever hearing your voice again?

S: My dear… I cannot lose her on the world and pretend I owe her victims nothing. Her crimes are my crimes. In time you may see as I do.

F: Time is a weak salve for a fresh wound.

S: Please… do not let anger ruin this. We will have our lives to contemplate the pain and loss. Can we not see from on another’s eyes, just for a moment?

F: (silence)

S: Falere?

F: I don’t want to lose you mother. Not over someone as small as Mirala, or whatever she calls herself now.

S: And Rila? You have been silent. Are you in accord?

R: I can only say I will yearn for you too.

S: Surely you have more than that.

R: Is this the only way you will have any righteousness Mother?

S: It will let me live a just life.

R: Then the Goddess forbid I take it from you.

(Rila terminates call)

F: She loves you mother. She did not want to say it, but she does.

S: And you? Can you understand why I must do this?

F: Catch her. Just catch her.

(Falere terminates call.)



The list:Possessions bequeathed by Justicar Samara

Large Goods:

-Four-bedroom home on Thessia
-Furniture and household appliances
-Elkoss Sapphire family skycar

Clothing and Jewelry:

-Casual clothing (approx. 20 outfits)
-Intimate negligees (3)
-Dancing dresses (4)
-Bond ceremony gown
-Bond ceremony bracelet
-Holo-locket (images of bondmate, children - reprogrammable)
-Baby and children clothing (various)

Miscellaneous:

-Lifetime Serrice Fitness membership pass
-First-place trophy (amateur skyball league)
-Vid and novel library (various)
-Photo albums (various)
-Sculpture of Samara and bondmate
-Personalized “Happy Birthday Mom” travel mug with photo of Samara and children (handle cracked and repaired, some glue marks visible)
-Memorial sphere (bondmate)
-Birthing creche


The list especially gave me a new view on Samara, as before becoming a Justicar, she was a soccer mom.


Edit because I fail at formatting.

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If that is indeed the ending they're going for then I wish they'd have given some more hints along the way. Wasn't until the last game that the thought crossed my mind and only after reading about it.

I hate open and ambiguous endings (I'm looking at you, Inception!). I'm guessing they went with this cliffhanger ending because of future DLC. It would be sorta hard to do some DLC stories (and make more money) if the main story was truly over. If so, I seriously hope they'll allow me to choose a "happy ending" outcome where I don't feel like throwing myself out of the nearest window as the credits roll across the screen. If I wanted to feel like ****, I'd go watch Melancholia, or Knowing, or that scene from Armageddon where Bruce tells Liv that he's not coming home. I want to feel like I just saved the galaxy and got the girl. Video games are supposed to make you happy, not depressed.

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#390 Apr 07 2012 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
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Who here has actually beaten the single player? I have a question about the war rating and readiness.
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#391 Apr 07 2012 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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What's the question? Spoiler it if you're worried.
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#392 Apr 07 2012 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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I have. What's your question?
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#393 Apr 08 2012 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Does the war assets and readiness determine which ending you do get, or can get? Like say you have x points, you get x ending. y points you can get x and y ending. z points and you can get x, y, and z endings, or is it very specific x gets x, y gets y, and z gets z?
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#394 Apr 08 2012 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
Kastigir wrote:
Does the war assets and readiness determine which ending you do get, or can get? Like say you have x points, you get x ending. y points you can get x and y ending. z points and you can get x, y, and z endings, or is it very specific x gets x, y gets y, and z gets z?


It's pretty much x = x depending on what you did with the reaper base at the end of 2.

ie: less than 1750 and Earth is destroyed no matter which choice you choose at the end. But with 5000+ Shepard pretty much "lives" if you will in all but one of the endings (Synergy)
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Kastigir wrote:
Does the war assets and readiness determine which ending you do get, or can get? Like say you have x points, you get x ending. y points you can get x and y ending. z points and you can get x, y, and z endings, or is it very specific x gets x, y gets y, and z gets z?
This chart should shed some light on it all. Spoilers, obviously.
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#396 Apr 11 2012 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
So, anyone tried out the free Resurgence multiplayer DLC yet? I completely missed it coming out, and am downloading it at the moment.

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I have not, due to being at work. Will likely check it out in the morning, since I want a Geth.
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#398 Apr 11 2012 at 2:14 AM Rating: Good
Trying to get the Asari Justicar, myself.
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#399 Apr 11 2012 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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I downloaded it yesterday, but haven't played it. I saw a post saying that the new characters wouldn't be released until later due to an internal server error. Don't know if that's been fixed already.
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I played a bit yesterday and the new characters were available. They either fixed the problem already or it's not affecting the PS3.

#401 Apr 11 2012 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
New Operation this weekend.

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This Operation is currently available to Xbox 360 and PC users only, and will run from Friday, April 13th at 5PM PST to Monday, April 16th 5AM PST. Unfortunately, we are not yet able to offer our Multiplayer Challenge weekends on PlayStation 3. Sony has not yet approved the promotion. We continue to work with them to find a compromise, but until then, Sony will not allow us to run the same Multiplayer Challenges on the PlayStation 3 that we run on Xbox 360 and PC.


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