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#502 Nov 20 2011 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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>:(

And now I just got randomly killed by a guard (5 gold bounty) and all I did was enter a room I had permission to enter. I would yield, he would accept, and then he would just start attacking me again (instead of giving me the option to resist, pay fine, or go to jail).

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I will occaionally get a guard to randomly spawn at the entrance to a cave, run to me then turn around and run out. When I try to catch back up to him he just gives me some random flavor statement. Scared the **** out of me when I was already on edge in one cave. Smiley: mad

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Hehe I was on the latter part of Forbidden Legend, the part where you have to fight all three of the named bosses one right after another, and I was getting my **** handed to me. Well I had the quest items for J'zargo's Experiment on me and he told me to use it on some undead. "Ok" I thought, "I will get in there, bum rush the named guy and take out him and any other mobs that try to get close."

Well... I did take out a couple small guys the instant I blew up. Smiley: frown
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The enchantments on the mage robes are the same results you'd gain from enchanting magic cost-% and magic regen+% onto a piece of armor as two separate enchantments.

You are able to disenchant the robes for a single enchantment that combines cost-% and regen+%, but even at 100 enchanting, the effect is significantly reduced. I think when I last checked, I ended up with cost-10%, regen+15% using that specific enchantment.
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The enchantments on the mage robes are the same results you'd gain from enchanting magic cost-% and magic regen+% onto a piece of armor as two separate enchantments.

You are able to disenchant the robes for a single enchantment that combines cost-% and regen+%, but even at 100 enchanting, the effect is significantly reduced. I think when I last checked, I ended up with cost-10%, regen+15% using that specific enchantment.

Probably a silly question, but with 100 enchanting can you enchant a new enchant onto a robe as well?
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#507 Nov 20 2011 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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You can not add enchantments to gear that already has an enchantment on it. The "extra" enchantment means you pick up to two enchantments and use only one soul gem. Unless it is without enchantments, gear will not appear in the list of available items to enchant, this includes robes.
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You can not add enchantments to gear that already has an enchantment on it. The "extra" enchantment means you pick up to two enchantments and use only one soul gem. Unless it is without enchantments, gear will not appear in the list of available items to enchant, this includes robes.


Really? That sucks...
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#509 Nov 20 2011 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Also, I'm thinking about turning my Breton into a Warmage. Pure mage is fun... as long as you have magicka. Once you run out, then my potion stores just plummet. I think that, now that my enchanting is getting up there, I can make it viable.

Of course, I'm ALSO debating the merits of starting over. So take this with a grain of salt.
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Also, I'm thinking about turning my Breton into a Warmage. Pure mage is fun... as long as you have magicka. Once you run out, then my potion stores just plummet. I think that, now that my enchanting is getting up there, I can make it viable.

Of course, I'm ALSO debating the merits of starting over. So take this with a grain of salt.

I tried to fashion my Redguard as a "spell-sword" of sorts when I started, but found that my perk points were better spent in one-handed weapon and block perks, so the use of destruction magic just sort of fell to the wayside.

Once you get the speedy-dash and fully upgraded Unrelenting Force shouts, it's really just silly how trivial once-pesky mages become.
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Do fire spells add a weakness debuff on the target, or do they just burn the target for a bit of extra damage? The tooltip says that targets take additional damage, but I don't know if they mean they become weak to further damage from all sources.

I've tried to keep an eye on health bars when I light stuff on fire. Doesn't seem to go down from the lingering fire. I've noticed, though, that targets on fire have a tendency to get a fatality much faster. Sometimes I'll barely do any damage with Flames and do a regular attack with my sword and instantly skewer the target.

By the way, the fatality where you stab someone in the chest has got to be the most gratifying fatality in the game. When it happens on a boss, I whisper 'Shush, don't cry...' at the monitor (the fatality reminds me of a certain scene from Saving Private Ryan for some reason). Every time. True story.

Well, sometimes I jump out of the chair, do a double fist pump and yell "**** YEAH!"
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The way I understand it fire spells first sets a target on fire. From there, it will take extra damage over time from being on fire. Then, if you hit that target with another fire spell while it is still on fire, that spell will deal an extra amount of damage.
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So a bit of both, but only additional damage from fire spells?

Hmn, guess I should keybind Frostbite and Sparks then. So far I've been using Flames exclusively because I thought the debuff worked with all damage sources, especially my sword.

I don't really use Sparks or Frostbite as much. Stuff dies so fast it's not worth switching from Flames. Plus, Flames seems to hit multiple targets if they stack up, so a good bottleneck and Flames has made short work of most bandits and Draugr, or whatever the undead are called.
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#514 Nov 20 2011 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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From the wiki (my Mage is going Fire/Lightning, btw):
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Destruction is divided in three "branches" or types of damage. These are Frost, Fire and Shock. Each has its own characteristics, costs and effects, as listed below.
Fire is the least Magicka-consuming type of spell. Fire Spells travel at an average velocity, and inflict damage on contact as well as over time. Most Fire spells inflict the "burn" effect on enemies that get hit, which boosts further fire spells directed to that specific foe for a limited amount of time, while also dealing damage. Dark Elves are 50% resistant to this kind of spell.

Frost consumes an average amount of Magicka, but its spells travel at a rather slow velocity, when compared to Shock. Frost spells hinder the target's ability to move, dealing damage not only to the target's health, but also to its stamina. Nords are 50% resistant to this kind of spell.

Shock is the most Magicka-consuming sub-genre of Destruction, its spell velocity is instant, and each spell targets not only the foe's health but also its magicka, thus making it a perfect type to use against mages. High Elves may find this kind of magic very useful, as they have their Magicka recovery-boosting ability called Highborn. There are no races with 50% shock resistance, but Bretons have a 25% resistance to all magic from their Magic Resistance (25%) ability.
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#515 Nov 20 2011 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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Also, for people who have been through Markarath, is that SERIOUSLY where the quest line ends? What, I'm just supposed to act like everything's cool while these ******** ruin everyone's lives? I have to say, for a game that is about giving the player freedom and possibilities, I'm extremely dissatisfied with how little you are able to influence towns and politics in the game. If it's not a quest, your only option is killing them (IF they aren't essential, which everyone valuable seems to be). And considering where all these quest lines stop...

:/

To be fair, this is not new with Skyrim--it was exactly the same with Oblivion. It would be one thing, though, if we were like we were in Oblivion--just some random guy. But I'm the MFing DOVAHKIIN, let me oust a corrupt Jarl. At LEAST let me crush a corrupt family into the ground...
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In line with what you're sort of saying- I'd really like for the next Elder Scrolls game to have a system that's more reactive to the player's actions. In Skyrim, if you kill a random person in town, the effect is a bounty and maybe some lost quests. Since your action was not part of a script, everyone in the town just thinks "I don't know who he killed, that person is a murderer!" and I'm sure even that might be stretching it. Instead, I'd like to have most/all npcs react depending on who you killed. Kill a meat vendor? You're still arrested for murder, but later, a new one thanks you for removing competition and takes his place. Kill a Jarl? Depending on their opinion of the Jarl, some people will love you, some will hate you, and then you could possibly take his place as ruler!

I know this is all wishful thinking since it's a game and the code has to end somewhere, but it will be interesting to see how Bethesda continues to open their games up even more.
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I stumbled upon my first Dwemer ruins today, just outside of Whiterun. I've played close to 20 hours on this character and still haven't gone to meet the Grey Beards. I keep working my way towards them and every time I do another dungeon area appears and I just have to clear it.

I've only killed 4 dragons, but I must say, Frost dragons are a HUGE pushover (Nord). Fire still hurts me. I have to find some fire resist to help with that. If they land, they are dead quickly, but those **** Fire dragons love to just fly and burn. I've been making a habit to save before every fast travel, since I always get a dragon attack at the most inappropriate time.

So far my "goody two shoes" hasn't been so bad. I just make friends with everyone until they let me take stuff from their house. I did the "no crime" thing because my brother's game has an army of Thugs following him around that he constantly hides from. I did get a brotherhood assassin come after me today, but I have only 9 assaults (attacking unprovoked enemies counts as an assault, I guess). The note said someone put a hit out on me, didn't mention who. I'm assuming that it was just a random event, related to the people who don't want the Dragonborn to live.


Also, I think earlier there was talk of, and a link to, your home being robbed. I really don't think it's true. My brother's hated by half the current game and his house remains untouched. Reading the single topic on the internet that talks about it, and experiencing the bug myself, it looks like if you start a random walk-by conversation with a person and instantly enter your home, they enter it, finish talking, and leave again. That includes the one guard who says stuff about "Someone stealing your sweet roll" and you then see random people leaving your house when you first enter.
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So I'm restarting, going Imperial, and gonna actually be careful about leveling this time...


1. I'm level 24 right now, but my only high skill is Restoration. But now the high level dragons attack, and I CANNOT beat them without serious terrain exploits. My levels jumped up primarily because of leveling Smithing and my lesser-used magic skills. That means I can only really sustain double-casted spells at Apprentice level for 7-8 casts, and Adept spells for MAYBE 2.

Blood dragons hand me my ***. >:(

2. If I'm going to level smithing (which I had done because it was great gold), then I should make use of it.

3. I decided that Ulfric can go F*** himself after discovering that he was going to make me sack Whiterun. Balgruuf is the only Jarl I've had ANY respect for, so **** NO.


I'm gonna be a Nord... and that's about as far as I've gotten.
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Mazra wrote:
Do fire spells add a weakness debuff on the target, or do they just burn the target for a bit of extra damage? The tooltip says that targets take additional damage, but I don't know if they mean they become weak to further damage from all sources.

I've tried to keep an eye on health bars when I light stuff on fire. Doesn't seem to go down from the lingering fire. I've noticed, though, that targets on fire have a tendency to get a fatality much faster. Sometimes I'll barely do any damage with Flames and do a regular attack with my sword and instantly skewer the target.

By the way, the fatality where you stab someone in the chest has got to be the most gratifying fatality in the game. When it happens on a boss, I whisper 'Shush, don't cry...' at the monitor (the fatality reminds me of a certain scene from Saving Private Ryan for some reason). Every time. True story.

Well, sometimes I jump out of the chair, do a double fist pump and yell "**** YEAH!"


You've apparently never seen a fatality on a dragon then. Jumping up on it's head and stabbing the **** out of it's face is way more satisfying than stabbing some random guy through the chest.
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3. I decided that Ulfric can go F*** himself after discovering that he was going to make me sack Whiterun. Balgruuf is the only Jarl I've had ANY respect for, so **** NO.


Yeah that was hard to do. But I was glad I saw it through in the end. At first the town is totally destroyed but it heals again and most people there were down with the Stormcloaks. Seemed like the proper Nord thing to do. It will be interesting to see the Imperial side of the story on my mage.

*Edit: Also after taking mage to level 9 so far I gotta say SnB is waaaay easier. All I have done is boost magika when I level and I am still running dry so fast. Flame Atronarch usually saves my *** while I hide and regen mana lol. I'm sure it gets better with impact and more mana conservation gear. I've just got default 50% robes on atm. Going to head to the Mages college and check out that story line soon but the mage break was a good reminder of how much I love my SnB OP smithing Beastmode toon!





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I've only killed 4 dragons, but I must say, Frost dragons are a HUGE pushover (Nord). Fire still hurts me. I have to find some fire resist to help with that.

Wait until you find a good shield with magic resist, and invest in the Elemental Protection perk in the Block tree. Then all dragons become huge pushovers.
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Elder Dragons were pretty tough until I managed to get some beastly defensive armor. Their breath wasn't bad, but even at 350 HP, their melee would still take out 25% of my hp if I didn't block.
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The enchantments on the mage robes are the same results you'd gain from enchanting magic cost-% and magic regen+% onto a piece of armor as two separate enchantments.

I found some Expert Robes Of Destruction. 25% easier to cast destruction spells and 125% magicka regen. Vendors for like 900+ default. Is that what it caps out at with max enchanting perks and potions?
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The enchantments on the mage robes are the same results you'd gain from enchanting magic cost-% and magic regen+% onto a piece of armor as two separate enchantments.
I found some Expert Robes Of Destruction. 25% easier to cast destruction spells and 125% magicka regen. Vendors for like 900+ default. Is that what it caps out at with max enchanting perks and potions?
You can, in theory, max alchemy and enchanting then form an iterative process to upgrade your gear enchantments infinitely.

Alchemy -> Enchanting+% potion
Enchanting -> Alchemy+% gear
Alchemy -> Enchanting+% potion
Enchanting -> Alchemy+% gear
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Use super Enchanting+% Potion -> Amazing Enchantments


I don't know if there is a cap, my alchemy is too low, but with the enchanting+25% potion I found, I was able to make some Alchemy/Smithing+28% gear. I do not know if there is a cap on stats, but if you use an Enchanting potion, realize that if it says "30 seconds", you really do have 30 seconds, time will not freeze as if this were Oblivion.

Oh, without potions, fortify skill+% caps at 25% and I think Magicka Regen was ~60%, will need to verify the latter.

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I've only killed 4 dragons, but I must say, Frost dragons are a HUGE pushover (Nord).


Yeah I love just shrugging off their ice breath attacks. Then they land and nom on my face. Smiley: frown


So, I got ambushed by a bunch of hired thugs after exiting a dungeon. It's apparently a random occurrence that happens after some thefts? In my case, I believe that it was the theft of the Firebrand wine as part of the Thieves Guild quest.

Thing is, they ambushed me when I was stuck in a dialogue that started immediately after leaving the dungeon. So I had to spam through the dialogue options to counter attack. Very annoying. Thankfully, the NPC and I made short work of them.
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The interruption during dialog has been a real pain in this game. Nothing like a dragon showing up in the middle of getting a quest to break the tension...
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I've only killed 4 dragons, but I must say, Frost dragons are a HUGE pushover (Nord).


Yeah I love just shrugging off their ice breath attacks. Then they land and nom on my face. Smiley: frown


Funny, so far when they land it's when they are easier. I just bash them with my shield and wail on them with my sword. I hide out in a hut while a Fire dragon breathed fire all around me, just waiting for it to get bored and land. It got bored, but instead of landing it flew over to the not-so-distant distance and started a fight with three Mammoths. It got raped, and flew back over to me, landing on the ground with less than 1/4 HP.

The only Frost Dragon that's attacked me so far did so outside of Whiterun in one of the local farms. Luckily only one NPC died, and it was one of the pointless Battle-Born women (not the one who purchases vegetables, just one that doesn't have any conversation options). She did end up having a key to the farm house on her though, which I now possess.

I'm always afraid that the dragons will kill someone important. But my brother said that any important NPCs, if they fall down dead, will get back up a minute or so later. Is that true? He said a lot of the Dark Brotherhood people did when he was ******** around and tried to wipe them all out after joining them.
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I'm always afraid that the dragons will kill someone important. But my brother said that any important NPCs, if they fall down dead, will get back up a minute or so later. Is that true? He said a lot of the Dark Brotherhood people did when he was ******** around and tried to wipe them all out after joining them.


Yes and no. They won't actually look dead, they'll fall to their hands and knees like companions on certain quests will.

But be warned, "important" and "essential" are two very, very different things. Important NPCs can die. NPCs labled essential (in the code) cannot, until a certain point. I'm pretty sure every NPC that won't disappear from the game will EVENTUALLY be killable. Maybe a few exceptions, like with Jarls or something.

But that shop keeper? Yeah, she can die. That priest at the temple who you wanted to get that quest from? Yeah, he can die. Etc.

Only mission npcs that are essential to the progression of a mission aren't killable, until the missions they are important for are completed.

And note that this may not even be universal for missions. Main story lines? Yeah, they'll probably live until they are no longer necessary. Random joe find-out-who-killed-my-family-then-hunt-them-down guy? Yup, you can kill him.
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Am I the only one who pays for training, then pickpockets the gold back?

The irony just cracks me up when I do that to the pickpocketing trainer.
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Am I the only one who pays for training, then pickpockets the gold back?

The irony just cracks me up when I do that to the pickpocketing trainer.


My pickpocketing isn't high enough to succeed. I also haven't put a single perk into it. I thought about leveling it a bit just for the the extra 100 lb. perk, but other things have taken precedence.
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I thought about leveling it a bit just for the the extra 100 lb. perk, but other things have taken precedence.
Pretty much this. I'm considering making some pickpocket gear+%... I should be able to get enough of a boost to be close to 100%, making the skilling process easy. Have I mentioned that enchanting is as broken as always?
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Consider picking up the thieve's guild gear. It has some +carry weight and +pickpocket (amongst other things) on it.
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well, ****.

my last two saves get the message, "this save relies on content that is no longer present. some objects may not be available. continue loading?" and the other 90 saves are all "this save is corrupt."

wtf happened?
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You've apparently never seen a fatality on a dragon then. Jumping up on it's head and stabbing the **** out of it's face is way more satisfying than stabbing some random guy through the chest.


I saw a fatality on my old SnB character, but it was glitchy as all **** (my dude was standing next to the head and appeared to be manhandling the dragon's head rather than stabbing it). Now dragons usually die to my spells before I get the killing blow.
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axhed, you might want to check this.

Some posters mention possible solutions on the second page.

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Well leave the game, open it again, go in new game, wait ultil the charriot enter in helgen, pause and try to load the previus files. Work for me.

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Don't know if it works, but might be worth looking into. Regardless, time to do backups of save games! Smiley: facepalm
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I was thinking of moving my save games to a different folder when playing different toons. That was I can keep track of what saves are relevant to which play through. I wish Bethesda did a better job of separating the saves when you start a new game.Smiley: glare
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I was thinking of moving my save games to a different folder when playing different toons. That was I can keep track of what saves are relevant to which play through. I wish Bethesda did a better job of separating the saves when you start a new game.Smiley: glare

I used that save game launcher or whatever it was called from the list of top mods. It does a decent job. It will show a drop down of each character name and then show the saves associated with it. Still not perfect though. You have to log out to the desktop to load a different character's save.
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Okay, do dragons attack in packs? I just left a dungeon (the one with the dude who's complaining about the necrophiliac desecrating his ancestor's remains or something) and got bum rushed by two dragons. Luckily I seemed to have one or two shotted the first one with arrows. But now I'm like 100 units of weight over and nothing I want to ditch. Smiley: mad
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I've been attacked by two dragons a few times. I've also been attacked by three dragons once. That ended poorly.
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Okay, do dragons attack in packs? I just left a dungeon (the one with the dude who's complaining about the necrophiliac desecrating his ancestor's remains or something) and got bum rushed by two dragons. Luckily I seemed to have one or two shotted the first one with arrows. But now I'm like 100 units of weight over and nothing I want to ditch. Smiley: mad


Shadowmere to the rescue!

Oh wait...

(BTW, that horse is insane...He tanked Alduin perfectly fine!)


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Well, dragon attacks are random, so it really comes down to how the game rolls to see if one will attack. Will it actually roll to see if one will attack, and then roll to see how many? Does it just roll at fairly small intervals, but give the dragons extremely low chances of appearing? Have they created actual points that coming close to will trigger a roll? Etc.

As long as there isn't any system in place to lock out rolls in any period of time, you could just randomly get hit with multiples (which would be uncommon, but not THAT uncommon when you consider how many times you'll fight a dragon).

Oh, and note for everyone who cares about leveling speech. Note that, like in previous games, you get the same amount of skill points if you sell 1 item as you do with 5. So selling things individually, especially if they are expensive, is much, much better. I'm actually thinking about going deep enough into the Speech tree to grab the Persuasion buff (and maybe the ability to sell anything to anyone). I hate when my persuade attempts fail. D:
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:

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Oh, and note for everyone who cares about leveling speech. Note that, like in previous games, you get the same amount of skill points if you sell 1 item as you do with 5. So selling things individually, especially if they are expensive, is much, much better. I'm actually thinking about going deep enough into the Speech tree to grab the Persuasion buff (and maybe the ability to sell anything to anyone). I hate when my persuade attempts fail. D:


The Thieves Guild can solve that problem, if you're dedicated enough. :)
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Okay, do dragons attack in packs? I just left a dungeon (the one with the dude who's complaining about the necrophiliac desecrating his ancestor's remains or something) and got bum rushed by two dragons.


Clever girl...
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:

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Oh, and note for everyone who cares about leveling speech. Note that, like in previous games, you get the same amount of skill points if you sell 1 item as you do with 5. So selling things individually, especially if they are expensive, is much, much better. I'm actually thinking about going deep enough into the Speech tree to grab the Persuasion buff (and maybe the ability to sell anything to anyone). I hate when my persuade attempts fail. D:


The Thieves Guild can solve that problem, if you're dedicated enough. :)


I don't think I'm gonna do the Thieves Guild on this character, but I honestly haven't decided. I can't decide on what I want to do--I tend to gravitate towards Jack-of-all-Trades characters, but the "Master of none" is a little to pronounced in Skyrim for me to want to do that.

This character is already taking One-Handed, Archery, Armor, Smithing, Enchanting, and (at least basic) Alchemy. I'm not sure that really leaves me enough room for The Thief skills.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I can't decide on what I want to do--I tend to gravitate towards Jack-of-all-Trades characters, but the "Master of none" is a little to pronounced in Skyrim for me to want to do that.

This character is already taking One-Handed, Archery, Armor, Smithing, Enchanting, and (at least basic) Alchemy. I'm not sure that really leaves me enough room for The Thief skills.
I kind of expected Skyrim to be more specialized classes after playing through Fallout 3, but this still surprised me. I guess I expected it possible for one to take all possible perks by putting enough time into the game.

Also, it kind of bugs me that I feel almost required to reach 100 smithing and 100 enchanting (and take corresponding perks) on every character I use from now on.
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It kind of annoyed me that once you start the Thieves Guild quest line, you can't end it. The main quest line had me go to Riften to speak to some dude about Esbern, next thing I know, I'm stealing stuff and none of the conversation options are "***** you guys, I'm leaving" or similar. It's all "This is bad... stealing is bad..." and then you get the quest anyway.

Gah!
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It kind of annoyed me that once you start the Thieves Guild quest line, you can't end it. The main quest line had me go to Riften to speak to some dude about Esbern, next thing I know, I'm stealing stuff and none of the conversation options are "***** you guys, I'm leaving" or similar. It's all "This is bad... stealing is bad..." and then you get the quest anyway.

Gah!
This did seem very odd to me, but I think it might have been the "Intro to Thief" tutorial quest just as there is that "Intro to Smithing" tutorial quest earlier in the game.
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Yeah, I probably just missed an earlier opportunity to bail, but I thought it was part of the main quest.

From now on, whenever someone asks me to do something against my moral code, I'll make sure to choose the earliest bail option.

Or Bethesda needs to implement a quest cancellation ability. My OCD demands that I do all the quests in my journal before I continue on the main quest, in case the game ends before I'm done, so to speak.
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From now on, whenever someone asks me to do something against my moral code, I'll make sure to choose the earliest bail option.

Or Bethesda needs to implement a quest cancellation ability. My OCD demands that I do all the quests in my journal before I continue on the main quest, in case the game ends before I'm done, so to speak.
Which is why I have never finished an Elder Scrolls main quest...
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#551 Nov 21 2011 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
You can definitively bail on the Thieves guild. After you find out the location of the guy for the main quest. You can tell him your not interested in joining and he will tell you find him if you change your mind. You just don't talk to him in the sewer bar. If you talk to him he assumes you want work and gives you the next quest but you don't have to do it if it does not fit with your character theme. That's what I did on my Warrior toon. Although I am looking forward to doing those quest chains on my theif toon eventually.

Same thing goes for the mage College. The main quest will send you there at one point. But you don't have to start the mage college quest line after you get the main quest info you need.

I may never actually finish the main quest line on my alt toons though. I mostly just like building new characters and finishing the guild quest lines related to the style of character they are.

Unless there are radically different endings to explore. Like in Fall Out NV I actually played through 3 different ending's becuase who you allied with in that game affected the ending so much.
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