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#152 Oct 14 2011 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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No idea, dude. I'm only SL30. I don't feel like going back to Blight Town. Might go farm some large titanite, so I can have mt scimitar all ready to be upgraded.
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#153 Oct 14 2011 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Where do you farm Large titanite? The slime thing in The depth?
#154 Oct 14 2011 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Yar. Right outside the bonfire, there are like 5 or 6 slimes. Burn them all, reset at bonfire.
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#155 Oct 14 2011 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
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If anyone is interested in continuing their Dark Souls collection, Gamestop.com has the 385 page "strategy" guide on sale for $15 right now, standard price is $25.

http://www.gamestop.com/strategy-guides/dark-souls-official-strategy-guide/93066
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#156 Oct 15 2011 at 12:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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My roommate bought one of those. It's effing massive.
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#157 Oct 15 2011 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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A strategy guide for Dark Souls just seems like cheating in ways that it doesn't for any other game. Not so much because it'll give strategies, but because it'll have maps with markers for where all the enemies are.
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#158 Oct 15 2011 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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I bought one, but it's still wrapped. I might open it for NG+, or save it for NG++.
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I would like to thank FFXI for conditioning me so that I can grind large titanite shards for hours. I throw down my white soapstone and grind the slimes (for shards) and rats (for humanity). At SL30, it's usually around a 30-45m wait to be summoned for Gaping Dragon, which gives me 12.5k souls plus a humanity. Works out nicely.

Since yesterday, I've gained 120k+ souls and upgraded my Falchion to +10, and both my light and heavy armor sets to +5. I have enough green shards to make a couple +5 divine weapons (which I understand I will want for a level). I think they're used for lightning weapons too, but I can't make those yet.

Lightning Shotel is just wrong. Had a couple invaders using them the past couple days during my summon runs. They two-shot me through shield block. I need to build a lightning resist set, I guess.
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#160 Oct 15 2011 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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I often think that, lol. It's second nature to read a book/watch a movie/tv while grinding in games. People often act like I'm crazy, but they just never played a DD through Valkurm.
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#161 Oct 15 2011 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I would like to thank FFXI for conditioning me so that I can grind large titanite shards for hours.


The drop rate is pretty awful for the shards. I got 5 large and maybe 9 or 10 green in about an hour. Considering it takes me about 30 seconds for a run, you can imagine how many of these bloody thing I needed to kill.

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You will. You could do without but it will make your life a lot easier.

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Does it matter where you throw it? Does it need to be at the boss entrance or anywhere in the zone? Also can I get summoned by anyone or only people at my SL? I didn't experience with the online aspect so I'm kind of clueless on that part.

#162 Oct 15 2011 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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I leave it near the bonfire when I'm farming. You can also try leaving it near the boss. However, you can only go so far away from it before it disappears. If you don't want to help players who haven't unlocked the shortcut yet, just drop it past that door. Though, if you do go help someone through frogs and get cursed, it doesn't affect you permanently when you're a phantom so you don't have to worry about decurse items.

You can be summoned by a player who is your soul level, plus or minus 10%. So if you are 25, you can be summoned by players 23-27. I don't know how they handle the decimals, so it might be a larger range.

What is your (active) humanity at when you farm? I'm running at 18 humanity, and I probably get 1 large titanite and 2-3 green titanite every 10-15 runs or so. At least Combustion kills them easily enough. I'll probably go spend my stored souls getting my pyro hand to +15 (@ +10 now).

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#163 Oct 15 2011 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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Anyway, 5 large in an hour isn't terrible. It takes 9 to get a weapon from +5 to +10. Two hours for a massive upgrade isn't bad, IMO.
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#164 Oct 15 2011 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Re: Large Titanite Shards: You can eventually buy them for 4k souls each from a merchant in Sen's Forterss.
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You can be summoned by a player who is your soul level, plus or minus 10%. So if you are 25, you can be summoned by players 23-27. I don't know how they handle the decimals, so it might be a larger range


I see. I'm probably too high to get a summon in that zone then.


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What is your (active) humanity at when you farm? I'm running at 18 humanity


18 humanity!? Dude! I don't think I ever got more than one. I have a few in my inventory but I only use them to kindle bonfire. I just got a ring that increase my drop rate to 300 so it should be better now.


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At least Combustion kills them easily enough. I'll probably go spend my stored souls getting my pyro hand to +15 (@ +10 now).


My Fireball one-shot them and sometimes if I wait for them to bunch up, I can kill 3 at a time. That's with pyro weapon +3 and 10 INT.

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Re: Large Titanite Shards:You can eventually buy them for 4k souls each from a merchant in Sen's Forterss.


Yea, getting to him is only half the fun though. I'm at SL 52 and this place is no walk in the park. You'll want to upgrade your weapon before going through this place.
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I oneshot them with Combustion. Pyro hand is definitely worth the souls to upgrade. I did the forest farm. I can kill the mobs there no problem, so I feel OK about exploiting the AI. Sure it's an exploit, but I don't feel as bad about it as the dragon head exploit.
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#167 Oct 15 2011 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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I think you can farm at the swamp part of Blight Town? You can probably get summons there, even at 52.
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#168 Oct 15 2011 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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I'm glad I found the Covetous Serpent Ring in Sen's Fortress, that 300 Item discovery rate makes farming easy as hell.
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#169 Oct 15 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I think you can farm at the swamp part of Blight Town? You can probably get summons there, even at 52


The leech are suppose to drop shards but farming in the swamp sounds like a lot of trouble.
#170 Oct 15 2011 at 11:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I just bought this game tonight. I can tell that, much like Demon's Souls, there's a good game hiding in here, but I really wish they didn't hide it behind a thick veil of confusing symbols and vague descriptions. I have no clue what I'm doing, and I really don't want to look it up, but I feel like I almost have no choice. This is like if I had to play FFXI as a single player game.
#171 Oct 16 2011 at 12:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Majivo wrote:
I just bought this game tonight. I can tell that, much like Demon's Souls, there's a good game hiding in here, but I really wish they didn't hide it behind a thick veil of confusing symbols and vague descriptions. I have no clue what I'm doing, and I really don't want to look it up, but I feel like I almost have no choice. This is like if I had to play FFXI as a single player game.


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#172 Oct 16 2011 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Majivo wrote:
I just bought this game tonight. I can tell that, much like Demon's Souls, there's a good game hiding in here, but I really wish they didn't hide it behind a thick veil of confusing symbols and vague descriptions. I have no clue what I'm doing, and I really don't want to look it up, but I feel like I almost have no choice. This is like if I had to play FFXI as a single player game.
The only thing that's really bad is the controls, but since you referenced Demon's Souls, I assume you played it at least a little. Voila! You know the controls. You can go to your player's status screen, and hit one of the buttons and it lets you scroll over every stat and it tells you what they do.

If you have specific questions, ask here. Or send a PM if you don't want to expose yourself to other information in the thread.

The only description that's been an issue is for the Firekeeper's Soul. Don't consume it; you trade it to a NPC to enhance your flasks. Other than that, I haven't personally seen a need to look information up.
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Majivo wrote:
I just bought this game tonight. I can tell that, much like Demon's Souls, there's a good game hiding in here, but I really wish they didn't hide it behind a thick veil of confusing symbols and vague descriptions. I have no clue what I'm doing, and I really don't want to look it up, but I feel like I almost have no choice. This is like if I had to play FFXI as a single player game.
There's a thing where you can see what all the stats mean by highlighting em. Wanna say it's in the Character Status menu.

They're all mostly straightforward.
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#174 Oct 16 2011 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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They're actually all much less dynamic than you would think they are, coming from a jrpg. Smiley: lol
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#175 Oct 16 2011 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lol This just makes me cry.
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#176 Oct 16 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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#177 Oct 16 2011 at 2:58 PM Rating: Default
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The only thing that's really bad is the controls

The tutorial area was okay. After that, I'm immediately hit with a barrage of vocabulary that means absolutely nothing to me. What is humanity? What does kindling a bonfire do? How about reversing hollowing? What is Estus, and why would I want to stop its regeneration within a small area? More fundamentally: where the hell am I? There's a campfire, no map or anything to indicate where I should go, and NPCs who don't want to talk to me. I'm not asking to have my hand held, but give me something. Don't use terms left and right that I have no way of defining.
#178 Oct 16 2011 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know what to tell you.

You're kind of supposed to explore and try things out and figure stuff out on your own. That's the kind of game it is. If that doesn't jive, there are online resources for you. It's really not as complicated as you make it out to be.
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#179 Oct 16 2011 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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The tutorial tells you what the estus is, and it's obvious fairly quickly why you might want to prevent the enemy from using it (especially black phantoms).

Your questions are answered in the booklet that comes with the game, iirc. At least the basics of it.

And the game tells you what you want to do. You talk to the guy right next to that first campfire, and he tells you to ring the two bells, tells you where they are, and hints that you will prefer going up first.
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#180 Oct 16 2011 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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It's really not as complicated as you make it out to be.

I'm not saying it's insanely complicated and no one could ever work through it. I made it through Demon's Souls mostly on my own, after all. It's just asinine that the game is so completely unfriendly to anyone who doesn't want to go find out about the game through a wiki or fansite.
#181 Oct 16 2011 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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It's really not as complicated as you make it out to be.

I'm not saying it's insanely complicated and no one could ever work through it. I made it through Demon's Souls mostly on my own, after all. It's just asinine that the game is so completely unfriendly to anyone who doesn't want to go find out about the game through a wiki or fansite.


I don't really see how that's the case, though? I've used the wiki for some things--but generally only those things I would use a wiki for in any game.
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#182 Oct 16 2011 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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It's mostly defining terms, like Humanity, Hollow, etc. I mean, you go to use a bonfire for the first time after the tutorial, and there's several options that don't mean anything. I'm willing to admit that these may be in the manual; it's been so long since I've seen useful information in a game manual that I long ago quit reading them. But other stuff, like "don't use this item because later on some obscure NPC hiding under a rock in world 2-1 will use it to enhance your weapon" is just downright unfriendly.
#183 Oct 16 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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It does tell you some of what Humanity is used for, right? And the only affects of Hallow/Human are your ability to summon/be summoned, which you'll find out when you get those abilities. I'll grant that I don't think the game tells you what use kindling is.

But refusing to tell you that items might be useful definitely isn't oversight--it's intentional. This whole game is about being cautious, after all.
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Humanity has multiple functions. It's kind of a form of currency. You use it to Kindle fires or Reverse Hollowing. Being Hollow is being Undead. Reversing this makes you Human, and costs 1 Humanity.

When Human, you can be invaded, but you can also summon phantoms (NPCs or other players) to help you.

Kindling a fire makes it give you 10 Estus Flasks upon resting there instead of 5. This costs 1 Humanity, but you have to be Human to Kindle. So if you are Hollow (Undead form) it costs 2 to Kindle; 1 to Reverse Hollowing, 1 to Kindle.

Humanity also affects item droprate. Your base Item Discovery is 100. This is just a percentage multiplier. Think of it as 100% or a 1.00 multiplier for each item's individual droprate. Having one Humanity (shown in the counter next to your health, not the on-use items - you have to use them to actually gain Humanity) increases your ID to 120, or a 1.20 multiplier. I don't know how much each additional point of Humanity increases this, but there's a chart somewhere. I think at 15 Humanity, my ID was around 180.

Humanity is lost and recovered along with your souls when you die, so there is some risk to having a lot of Humanity used. It's common to just store the consumables and use them to Reverse Hollowing and Kindle. Typically, unless I'm farming, I stay around 1 Humanity for that initial 20% boost.

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I'm currently at 2 Humanity (and have no clue why). I used two to kindle a fire (had to regain life) since it was the last fire before the Taurus Demon. I feel like it just didn't take my humanity for some reason.
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I think you just kind of get it sometimes (very rarely). The rats in the depts are a good farm target for the consumable humanity items.
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Thanks for the breakdown. I was wondering why sometimes I had 10 flasks and sometimes I had 5.
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Also, if someone kindles a fire you are near, it gives you an extra flask.
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Also, if someone kindles a fire you are near, it gives you an extra flask.
I was wondering why that happened, lol.

I'm at the Giant Blacksmith right now, in Anor Londo. Got myself a Lightning Halberd +2 :D
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I want to make use of the ability to summon other players, but I just can't bring myself to do it yet. I never want to summon them on my first run at a boss, for fear of making an embarassing mistake and dying in front of them.

So I give it a go solo, and inevitably die at least once. But usually then I have a good idea of how to win, so I just try again and beat it myself.

I should really make a point of summoning, just to break up the loneliness.
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Mostly, I beat the bosses solo, but drop my sign to help out after. Capra was good to help with. It can be hard to separate the dogs from the boss, so I usually would tank the boss while the host killed the dogs.
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Capra was good to help with. It can be hard to separate the dogs from the boss, so I usually would tank the boss while the host killed the dogs.


He took me three tries. The first two I got pinned near the entrance by him and the dogs, and his heavy attack just ripped through me. The third time I managed to get up the stairs and kill off the dogs in pretty short order, after which he became pretty reasonable.
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I'll be heading back to Blight Town after I get enough large titanite to upgrade a bow. Might level to 35 or 40, I'm not sure.
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I think this is the same guy that spoon posted a video about a few days ago.


He's pretty hardcore
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90 minutes? I've played that long and haven't even reached the Taurus demon. D:
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I think this is the same guy that spoon posted a video about a few days ago.


He's pretty hardcore
Could be. The one I posted was a completion in 1:28. However, he uses Quit Game to save himself from death a couple times, so some people aren't counting it. I've watched about half of the run. He just destroys stuff as Pyromancer. He pretty much just knows exactly where to go, so he skips 98% of regular mobs, running straight through to the bosses.
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This just in: lightning weapon coating is OP.

Where should one venture after ringing the tower bell?
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I'm using a lightning spear +3 right now. It's awesome.

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If you mean the first bell after the gargoyles then:

Undead Burg second part > The depth > Blight town

You might want to go to Darkroot Garden to farm some anti-poison moss before going to Blight town. You can also buy them from the merchant in the sewer shortcut from Firelink shrine but you'll need a lot of them and it gets really expensive.
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How much attention should endurance get? I'm guessing a lot.
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I'm using a lightning spear +3 right now. It's awesome.

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If you mean the first bell after the gargoyles then:

Undead Burg second part > The depth > Blight town

You might want to go to Darkroot Garden to farm some anti-poison moss before going to Blight town. You can also buy them from the merchant in the sewer shortcut from Firelink shrine but you'll need a lot of them and it gets really expensive.


I bummed around Darkroot Garden/Basin aimlessly for a while after ringing the first bell, and found it to be pretty reasonable for my level. Killed the Hydra and Moonlight Butterfly. You get some nice gear (Elite Knight's Armor and Grass Shield, in my case, perhaps even more), level up a bit, and get some unique souls.

Considering how awful things purportedly get from here (I left things off cursed, having returned to the first bonfire in the depths; the one behind the slimes) I'd say the diversion was worthwhile. I suspect I'm going to hate Blight Town.
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How much attention should endurance get? I'm guessing a lot.


One if not the most important stat for a melee character. You want a lot of stamina so you can block , hit and still have enough to roll out of the way. Also if you want to wear heavy armor and still be able to move you will need a lot of endurance.

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I bummed around Darkroot Garden/Basin aimlessly for a while after ringing the first bell, and found it to be pretty reasonable for my level. Killed the Hydra and Moonlight Butterfly. You get some nice gear (Elite Knight's Armor and Grass Shield, in my case, perhaps even more), level up a bit, and get some unique souls.

Considering how awful things purportedly get from here (I left things off cursed, having returned to the first bonfire in the depths; the one behind the slimes) I'd say the diversion was worthwhile. I suspect I'm going to hate Blight Town.


I strongly recommend Darkroot garden before Blight town and even before The depth. It's not part of the "normal" progression but it's easy enough to tackle right after the first bell.You'll get souls some nice loot and the moss will be a life saver when you get to Blight town. From the hidden bonfire there's 6-7 spawns for the tree things that drop the moss and they have a good drop rate. You can easily get a dozen of the red and purple moss and maybe 5-6 white moss in half an hour or less. You should bring a lot of the purple and white moss in Blight town. The last thing you want is to be stuck in there with no way to cure poison or toxin.
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