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#102 Oct 11 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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I like the Wanderer.

Backstabbing is alright. I've had more success with just circling around my enemy when he attacks, rather than trying to roll behind. Parrying, I'm still way too hit and miss for it to be worth the risk.

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You find the weapon where the guy is or he gives it to you, either way it's free. The fireball spell cost something like 500 souls. If I remember correctly, you find the guy in the depth just past the first room with the butcher mini-boss.

If you get the Drake sword from the beginning, you won't have any problem getting to that part with a bandit. You can even put more point in END and VIT from the moment you get the sword as long as you keep enough souls to put 2 points in attunement for the spell slot.
#104 Oct 11 2011 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmm, sounds good. I'll have to look into that.
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#105 Oct 11 2011 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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What sucks is that a fast character appeals to me aesthetically. Parrying/riposting/dodging/backstabs.


Aesthetically? Like, just looks? Or do you mean by moveset?

Well, either way, you can probably have your cake and eat it, too. You could use light armor, and switch between a heavy and a parrying shield, situation dependent. Same for weapons.

My thief is now being spec'd to tank with a shield and spear, but every once in a while I'll throw on the thief garb, a parrying shield, and knife. Works just fine. He'll probably get some magic, too, at some point. I'm deliberately ignoring any min/max'ing with the build, and just doing whatever floats my boat.

But even when he's all loaded down with armor and a heavy shield, I still get a lot of backstabs. I get them by moving or dodging behind an enemy when they're in mid-attack. Nothing complicated.
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#106 Oct 11 2011 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, so:

Pyromancer starts with 12 Strength, 9 Dexterity, 11 Endurance, 12 Attunement and 10 Vitality. Starts with a flame and fireball (800 souls) at level 1.

Bandit begins with 14 Strength, 9 Dexterity, 14 Endurance, 8 Attunement and 12 Vitality, with no spells, at level 4. Starting weapon does 5 more damage than the Pyro one, but both are replaced by the morning star immediately available at the shrine.

Drake Sword requires 16 Strength and 10 Dex, and a bow requires 12 Dexterity.

So to get and use the sword, the Pyro is looking at 7 soul level increases. The Bandit is looking at 5. For the Pyromancer to reach this point, it will be 4293 souls. For the Bandit, it will be 3791.

But the Bandit will need to buy the fireball spell for 800 souls. And go without it for the first 3 bosses (where it would be really useful). So, really, it would cost me less to get the drake sword and pyromancy to start with a pyromancer, on top of probably making the game easier due to the access to a strong AoE spell.

Oh, and the bandit will need 2 attunement before he gets his first spell slot, so that's another 1600 souls right there. The pyromancer, on the other hand, starts with 2 spell slots. So he can just spend 800 souls for a second copy of the spell. The bandit would need to buy the second copy AND spend 2 more soul levels.

I think I'm going with Pyro, if not for the math then because it will give me AoE during the early stages of the game.
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#107 Oct 11 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're putting a ton of thought into it, and I fell into this trap as well. Go Pyro if you want to use Pyro spells early. Analyzing what minimum level you need to hit for Drake Sword and stuff is useful, but ultimately unnecessary, unless for some reason you plan on hoarding souls super early. It's super fast to level to 15+ anyway.
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#108 Oct 11 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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I was saying bandit because you can pretty much use the drake sword with very little point investment the moment you get it. Once you have the drake sword you don't really need anything else for a long time. Like spoon said, go with pyro if you think you need the spells early but personally I never felt I needed anything once I got the drake sword. There's only one boss before the drake and he was easy enough with the axe.

Another cool thing with the bandit is the spider shield you start with. It's a decent shield but the best feature is the built in poison resist. With a regular shield you'll get poisoned even if you block but not with the spider shield. Very useful when you start encountering rats, poisoned dogs and assassins in the second part of the undead burg and is a must have for blight town (though you can find one in there somewhere).
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Spider Shield is indeed nice. Snagged it in the Depths. I like the Grass Crest Shield too, but it's only 95% physical damage block, and a much lower stability.
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I use the grass shield for fights when dodging is better then blocking. Grab weapon with 2 hands with grass shield and you're golden.
#111 Oct 11 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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I started out as Knight, and have been using a Halberd (+2 for a while, need to get more Titanite Shards), and also been keeping my stats balanced.

I play it very safe, lol. I kindle every bonfire, and always use my Heal spell first.


Though I do kill some NPCs if I don't find an immediate use for them Smiley: lol
(Thank you Sun dude, and your Curse Resist armor).

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#112 Oct 11 2011 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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The smith in the castle at Undead Parish sells regular Titanite for 800 souls/ea.
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#113 Oct 11 2011 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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And now I'm stuck in The Depths, lol.

I got cursed (thanks to bad advice from a room mate), and my Halberd is borked.
I just rage quit.
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#114 Oct 11 2011 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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If you don't feel like going through the londo ruins to get the curse removed, there's a vendor that sells herbs for 6000 souls.
#115 Oct 12 2011 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone else having trouble with occasional severe slowdown while playing? Both my roommates' systems are having issues with that.
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I'd like to point out, if you want to do magic, pyromancer is probably best.

It has the best str of casters(in case you want drake sword) and there is a smith in lando ruins just down the elevator from firelink shirin before you get to any ghosts, that sells a catalyst for sorcery spells (500) and both soul arrow (30 uses for 2500) and heavy soul arrow (5k for 12 use iirc).

I'd recommend pyromancy for everyone, as the spells scale mostly with your weapon level of you fire catalyst (which is able to be upgraded first after you rescue a guy in the depths and second in blight town from a witch - although the one you get from the witch has but better int scaling for your spells)


If you need some early souls, after you kick down the ladder to reach the checkpoint that you already have stopped at in the undead burg. Start there, climb the ladder, go on the bridge, walk just a bit out, then run back down the stairs and touch the checkpoint. The dragon will rape everything on the bridge, and you should collect 300 souls just as you get back to the checkpoint. Rinse, repeat

Later on, you have the forest ledge farming and the infinite thing.

Also - melee scaling in the game is way low. I do about the same damage at 50str/dex that I did at 20/16. The game has an emphasis on upgrading your weapons, so hoard those and save them for a weapon you really like the fighting style of (I recommend upgrading your favorite weapon to lightning damage, as the regular damage is insane, and very few enemies resist lightning. My friend Adrian says the lightning upgraded version of an early spear (winged spear) and a tower shield has served him incredibly well all game.


Edit: A few last notes for casters (since I play one) you are gonna wanna look around blight town hard for the tin banishment catalyst (it is a pole looking weapon). It has just a tiny bit less int scaling but has a really decent scaling attribute for melee attacks Your regular attack cast your spell, and your hard attack thrusts your spear. It felt great comboing a great soul arrow into a poke or two to save magic (and most things run at you anyways so it is good you have your shield up and poke from behind it). With it the red robes you get in the same chest are nice, but you can get a free set at ceaseless discharge that is much better(he will kill you if you pick them up, but you keep them). Unfortunately, I have not found a smith yet that can upgrade catalysts, and the damage on the poke is falling off slowly. I really hope I find a similar weapon soon, because having a decent weapon you can use to cast spells frees up slots to switch between magics more easily.

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#117 Oct 12 2011 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you don't feel like going through the londo ruins to get the curse removed, there's a vendor that sells herbs for 6000 souls.
The vendor in the bell tower in Undead Parish sells them for 3k, IIRC.
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How to Co-Op with Friends, from r/darksouls:
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I'm not sure if many have figured this out yet, but I haven't really seen it posted here.

I was watching a stream of some dude playing Dark Souls the other day and he was constantly summoning his friend into his boss fights/areas. I asked him how he did it and he happily told me. Apparently, whenever you drop your White Soapstone, it's placed on a random server. If you drop it again, it's placed on a server different than the one it was before. So a buddy of mine thought we'd try out this guy's method of summoning his friend. My friend would drop his soapstone, and wait about 20 second, and drop it again until I told him I seen it, which I did eventually, every time. Sometimes it took five minutes, one time it took around 11 minutes, but that's because the first two times I seen his stone, he dropped another one before I told him I seen it, so the summon would fail.
TL;DR: Drop Soapstone near buddy every 20-30 seconds. Buddy should see it eventually when it lands on his server. Summon him up.

I want to thank twitch.tv/brandon505 for this.
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#119 Oct 12 2011 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, nice. Thanks for that Spoon.
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The only time I experienced some frame rate issues was in blight town and only in one spot.
#122 Oct 12 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Lot sof people have been complaining about some framerate issues, and control lag, but I haven't really experienced anything significant. Maybe once a play session, I get a framerate lag issue, if there's a lot of **** going on, but nothing worth complaining about.
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#123 Oct 12 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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I've seen it happen mostly in Blight Town.
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Lot sof people have been complaining about some framerate issues, and control lag, but I haven't really experienced anything significant. Maybe once a play session, I get a framerate lag issue, if there's a lot of sh*t going on, but nothing worth complaining about.


I get some screen tearing and slowdown if there's a moderate bit of action and I try to rotate the camera quickly. It's usually when I'm in mid-panicked retreat, and have no idea where to run.

It'll only be a mild irritant until it causes me a needless death in a really bad situation.
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#125 Oct 12 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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I started a new Pyromancer and have spent some time trying to learn how to backstab. I've definitely gotten better at it, but my problem is that I can never tell the point at which I should attack (since any unit that has just attacked has usually altered their upper body, and attacking from that angle will not result in a backstab).
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#126 Oct 12 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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Of course all of this time spent trying to learn to parry/backstab means that I've leveled a lot. I can already use a bow/the drake sword and have invested in Vitality some just from the souls I got. XD
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#127 Oct 12 2011 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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If you're not getting consistent backstabs, try being closer to the mob. Same thing with parry; they are easier the closer you are.
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#128 Oct 12 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Ugh, I'm so bad at Parrying. I always jump the gun.
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#129 Oct 12 2011 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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I think the smaller shields have a larger parry window.
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I'm using the Pyro's starter shield. Smiley: cry
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Managed to work my way back out of Blight Town because I was out of moss and was just getting my sh*t pushed in down there at SL23. Ended up buying Fireball and Combustion back at Firelink, and headed to the forest to farm more moss. Fireball and Combustion are really nice for this section. I farmed the stone giants as well. I'd use Combustion on them when they'd hit me with that slow, so I wouldn't use my Stamina on sword swings.

Ended up farming enough moss to go back, but also had 20k souls so I unlocked the farming area in the forest, and killed those guys for a bit. Sitting at SL30 now, using an Iaito +6. I think I'm going to go farm up some large titanite to upgrade further. I have to get my Scimitar to +10 too.

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I'm getting my **** handed to me in the Undead Burg. Ugh, man do I suck...
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#133 Oct 13 2011 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
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What level are you at?
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#134 Oct 13 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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...12. >.<
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Okay, Curse can go **** itself. Seriously.

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Smiley: lol The vendor at the bottom of the bell tower in Undead Parish sells decurse items for 3k souls each. They're cheaper than the vendor in the sewer shortcut, who sells them at 6k/ea. I suggest buying at least an extra one, after decursing yourself.

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...12. >.<
Whereabouts are you in the Burg? Any mobs in particular giving you issues?
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#138 Oct 13 2011 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I know not to go down the stairwell where that black knight is now. At least I kited him back up the steps, so I can reclaim my souls without aggroing him...
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Well, I know not to go down the stairwell where that black knight is now. At least I kited him back up the steps, so I can reclaim my souls without aggroing him...


Havel? You should be able to kill him fairly early on in the game (see my post on the first page). You just need to be able to roll effectively. A shield that blocks 100% of the damage helps, too.

Just get him to attack, and sidestep to his backside as he does it. If you're not sure if you'll make it, you can roll. It's really just about managing your stamina, only attacking when it's safe, and learning the attack patterns. It'll take a while, but enough backstabs and he'll go down.

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#140 Oct 13 2011 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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No, not that guy. The black knight that you see in that opening picture? He's just a standard unit, not a boss. He can drop the Black Knight Sword and such.
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Oh, just past the firebombers after the bonfire? He's a bit of a pain, depending on your gear. You can kite bac where you came from, up the nearby tower. He is larger than the doorway, so you can get him stuck on it and cheese him with firebombs. Smiley: lol I didn't kill him 'til later; I suicide-ran for the treasure behind him.

You're not doing too bad. You'll get your white soapstone soon enough and be able to summon help with bosses and such, if they give you too much trouble.
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No, not that guy. The black knight that you see in that opening picture? He's just a standard unit, not a boss. He can drop the Black Knight Sword and such.


Oh, you ran into one of them? Smiley: lol

Yeah, 12 might be a bit low. They're more or less the same deal, though. I was afraid of them for a while, until I realized that the same regular ol' block & roll works just fine on them.

Just stay close and circle.
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My biggest problem is that I'm taking WAY too much damage to have a limited number of healing items. D: And I have a better shield now (95% reduction), so that's worrisome. T.T
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If you go from the bonfire and take a right, go down that staircase and go left. There are two spear knights. Kill them, and destroy the boxed to reveal a staircase. Go down that, and just outside that room is a vendor. He sells a Heater Shield with 100% physical block. You can also buy firebombs for 50 souls/ea and super cheap arrows for 3 souls/ea (I use them to pull).
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Also, kindle the fire if you can.

AND DON'T EAT THE FIRE KEEPER'S SOUL WHEN YOU GET IT.
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lol, Dori did that.

Lesson learned for me and our other room mate.

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That's the shield I have--I thought it was only 95%?
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Aggro black knight. Run to ladder where firebombers are. Pelt to death with spells or fire bombs from safety of roof.

That's what I did and he didn't follow me up. Just sat at the bottom eating fiery death.
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That's what I did and he didn't follow me up. Just sat at the bottom eating fiery death.


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Sounds spicy.
Also a lot safer if you were trying to take him out before level 10, like I was.
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I don't know where to go next Smiley: frown

I rang the second bell and unlocked Sen's Fortress but it's a bit out of my reach for now at SL 42. Anyone have any suggestion?
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