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#1 Aug 05 2011 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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That first screen suggests Snow will be in it. Damn.

(I had gotten my hopes up, since I had yet to see him anywhere. :P)

I have to say that I'm excited for the game. And, frankly, it seems like SE listened to a lot of gamer complaints about the first one, since I am under the impression that they are being true to Pulse and making it more like a world. And there are screen shots that suggest there are towns as well. AFAIK, it's still only 1 at a time play, but it's built more like an action RPG it seems, so that shouldn't be an issue.
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#3 Aug 27 2011 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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#5 Aug 27 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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I am so excited about this game :)
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#6 Aug 27 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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After playing XIII I can't possibly fathom how anyone could be excited about a sequel.

Edited, Aug 27th 2011 7:40pm by Turin
#7 Aug 27 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Naturally, Turin needs to turn this thread into a futile discussion we've had thousands of times before because he's butthurt and determined to be displeased.
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#8 Aug 27 2011 at 5:40 PM Rating: Default
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I've never been determined to be displeased. I have high standards I won't apologize for it. Yes, I'm critical, and yes I'm hard to please, but damn it if, I'm going to spend sixty dollars and forty hours of my time on a game, I want it worthwhile. Some people will take whatever is available and be happy to have it, I won't.

From your cheap shot post I'd say you're the one that's butthurt.

Edited, Aug 27th 2011 7:41pm by Turin
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Not really, I just think you're an ass for intentionally coming into every thread about a game that's CLEARLY not for you (as you've made clear many times before) and then trying to stamp on everyone else's excitement for it.

It's sad and pathetic.
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What's sad and pathetic is being excited over the sequel to a bad game.
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Uh-huh. Smiley: disappointed
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Well if we're going to devolve this conversation to that point, I suppose I'll go with the old stand by of "your mom".
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There wasn't really anything else to be said.
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Back on topic:

Aw hell I think I saw Hope in there.
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#15 Aug 27 2011 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but at least it'll probably only be in a cameo capacity. And maybe he's stopped whining.
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#16 Aug 27 2011 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
Is it just me or did that dude toward the end of the trailer look like he was holding several of the original groups weapons?(Including hopes boomerang)

And really who else could they bring back? The only reason for Sazh to care was resolved in the last game. Fang and Vanille are the premise behind this one(unless they dropped the concept for a different storyline premise) along with whatever the heck going on with "Lightning missing." The ruins and the other stuff mentioned. That pretty much leaves only snow and hope to really be playable in this one.


Edit: unless they junk the whole cast but lightning entirely.(as playable characters)

Edited, Aug 28th 2011 12:14am by Laxedrane
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#17 Aug 28 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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We already know that Serra and the new guy with the daggers are going to be playable characters. We're going to most likely be looking at a mostly new cast.
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#18 Aug 28 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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They've confirmed that Lightning will at least make playable appearances (what that means hasn't been elaborated on, but I'm guessing we are going to see her with her own subplot as the game progresses until Serah and her are finally reunited).

Snow, Hope, and Vanille (in some capacity) are confirmed appearances (at least).

We also don't know the fighting capacity of these characters. I'm pretty sure that the concept behind Lightning is that she's a l'cie again, but blessed by the goddess rather than the fal'cie (and willingly became so), so she's not facing a future of being a cieth. I'm GUESSING that the enemy dude is similar, but is a l'cie blessed by the god Lindzei, who created the fal'cie of Coccoon and is a Loki-like figure.

Whether or not Hope and Snow have followed the same path has yet to be seen. We know that Snow left to complete some mission, promising Serah that he would be back.

I'm guessing that at least Hope has followed a similar path as lightning (even if he doesn't know where she is), simply because it's hard to imagine why he would choose to live away from everyone as he seems to have been doing. And that's what gives me hope that he's become a normal human being, rather than a whining freak. I'm imagining him as someone who has become a sort of sentinel. :P

I'm honestly excited for the game. It seems to me like they have taken every complaint people made about the first one and really thought about them--we have a more interactive combat system, towns, and a more open world to explore. Plus, the game is far more story-driven than the previous one is, only having two characters (one of whom has already seen a fair amount of development).

The only thing I hate is the outfit Serah is wearing... I mean, c'mon...
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The only thing I hate is the outfit Serah is wearing... I mean, c'mon...


What's wrong with it? I mean, as far as the FF series goes this is nothing. Heck, as far as video games in general go it's pretty tame.


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#20 Aug 30 2011 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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Turin, XIII was a great game. It was different from previous FF's, but I really liked it. The story was detailed, the combat was fun, and I genuinely cared about the characters.

A lot of people genuinely enjoyed it and are excited about a sequel.

Why do you really feel the need to come in here and just create drama? Is there really any point to it?
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#21 Aug 30 2011 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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Well, Turin's opinion, regardless of how boringly unimpressed, is as valid as anyone else's. I hardly ever agree with his assessments, but whatever. The occasional dissenting opinion is not necessarily a bad thing anyway.
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Well, Turin's opinion, regardless of how boringly unimpressed, is as valid as anyone else's. I hardly ever agree with his assessments, but whatever. The occasional dissenting opinion is not necessarily a bad thing anyway.


If he didn't voice it in EVERY thread he possibly could, in a manner that berates others for DARING to feel a different way, then I would agree.
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I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny bitch about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the hell off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.
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I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny bitch about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the hell off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.


Disagreeing is always fine. I don't think anyone here doesn't want a contrasting opinion or even a good debate. But when you disagree, you tend to do it a little condescendingly.
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I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny bitch about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the hell off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.


Disagreeing is always fine. I don't think anyone here doesn't want a contrasting opinion or even a good debate. But when you disagree, you tend to do it a little condescendingly.


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#27 Aug 30 2011 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
I dunno why but Turin has kind of grown on me. Like a crotchety old curmudgeon who doesn't sugar coat and isn't afraid to say what he means.

Forums are dull if we all hold hands and sing the praises of every mediocre product that comes our way. You should consider Turin your best friend Idiggory with the way you like to argue minutia. Smiley: lol

What would Luke be without Darth Vader... Just a whiney nerf herder, that's what.

Back on topic, I still have not played FF13. I may be disenchanted with the sugary sweet world of drama and repetitive fights still. I'll get around to it at some point I'm sure.

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#29 Aug 30 2011 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
Batman the Animated Series was amazing in the 90's. Mask of the Phantasm... tour de force Mark, well done.

I'm sure it would not seem as awesome now that I am all old and stuff and am not high. But I choose to remember it as it was, when I was.
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I just recently picked up the game myself Shojindo. The combat isn't bad and the voices, while annoying at times, aren't too bad. The only thing that makes me wonder if I should continue is how many bloody cut scenes there are in the dang game. Here is what roughly happened to me earlier today.

-cut scene
*takes 5 steps*
-cut scene with cut scenes in the cut scenes*
*asked if I want to save game*
-cut scene
*asks if I want to save again*
-cut scene

The combat though is what is keeping me stuck to this game. If you get it right the fights are real easy but if you start to mess up the fights drag on horribly.

To respond to the OP I am genuenly interested in the sequel only if they can manage to keep away from so many cut scenes. Heck even if they kept half of thirteens it will be too much.
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It was the 20 hours of tutorial that bugged me the most. Once it got passed that, I enjoyed the game.

For the sequel, I'm cautiously optimistic, but I have no intention of buying it at launch, I learned that lesson with FFXII.

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 11:52pm by xypin
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Turin wrote:
I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny bitch about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the hell off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.


Turin, I love you - I just want you to know that.

One day, somewhere in the world, I am going to walk into a pet shop and buy myself one of these. Then I'm going to take it home, name it Turin and when people I don't like come round to visit I will let it out of the cage to bite them.

Edited, Nov 1st 2011 12:16pm by jtftaru
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I didn't read the thread, all I know is that I'm looking forward to this game.
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#34 Aug 31 2011 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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Turin, XIII was a great game... The story was detailed, the combat was fun, and I genuinely cared about the characters.

The story was cliche and slow to develop, the combat was repetitive (par for the course, I suppose, although actually challenging in some cases; a departure from previous FF titles), and the characters were so far disconnected from actual, relate-able human emotion that they must have been aliens, or possibly raised in small boxes without outside human contact.

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Turin, XIII was a great game... The story was detailed, the combat was fun, and I genuinely cared about the characters.

The story was cliche and slow to develop, the combat was repetitive (par for the course, I suppose, although actually challenging in some cases; a departure from previous FF titles), and the characters were so far disconnected from actual, relate-able human emotion that they must have been aliens, or possibly raised in small boxes without outside human contact.

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Sazh was the only enjoyable character.
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TL;DR. I assume it's a FF-XIII gush-fest.

To each his own, but I prefer my story-based games to have interesting, original stories and interesting, relate-able characters. Square Enix has put out so many titles (not just Final Fantasy) about a jaded, disenfranchised young ex-military so-and-so fighting to bring down The Man that you'd think they were a spiritual descendant of EA Sports or something.

FF9 is the only notable exception, which is why it stands up as the best Final Fantasy title of the modern gaming era (which I loosely define as PS1/N64 to present, or "as far back as I can remember").
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TL;DR. I assume it's a FF-XIII gush-fest.


It's a debate between Idiggory and I about the characters. I think they're awful, Idiggory believes that they set a new precedent for excellence and realism.

Verbose paragraphs were exchanged. Words like "development" and "archetype" were used. By internet standards, it was an entirely civil and dull affair.
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FF9 is the only notable exception, which is why it stands up as the best Final Fantasy title of the modern gaming era (which I loosely define as PS1/N64 to present, or "as far back as I can remember").


9 is one of my favorites, too. Smiley: grin
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FF9 is the only notable exception, which is why it stands up as the best Final Fantasy title of the modern gaming era (which I loosely define as PS1/N64 to present, or "as far back as I can remember").


9 is one of my favorites, too. Smiley: grin


9 is by far my favorite, but I think 7 still has a sh*tton of fans out there.

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I think 7 still has a sh*tton of fans out there.
So do the Twilight movies.
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I actually saw the first Twilight in theaters to see what all the hubbub was about.

A week later I was in the hospital with appendicitis. Not saying it's related, but I'm sure as hell not saying it isn't either.
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I think 7 still has a sh*tton of fans out there.
So do the Twilight movies.


I have to say, I don't get the 7 hate that just suddenly seemed to appear in the last 4-ish years. In '97 or whatever year it was, there wasn't anything that was even remotely in it's ballpark as far as quality or scope. This seems like some revisionist history.

That being said, I think they should have let it stay in 1997. These revisits are raping parts of my childhood.

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Uninteresting main character, even less interesting main villain, weak supporting cast, mediocre at best story, lack of art direction are the reasons I was never a fan of 7. The most infuriating thing was that ending with Red XIII that made absolutely no sense at all. Nothing I haven't said before when the topic comes up.

I also tend to notice that amongst 7's praises, it being the person's first Final Fantasy game tends to show up.
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Oh are we playing this game now?


I liked 8 the best. You can now wail and gnash your teeth and decry my tastes to be the catalyst for the imminent collapse of society.

I liked the gun swords, the rivalry between the main character and the blonde haired guy, and the lovin in space. I was much younger then though and have never tried to revisit the game.

You know how like Chrono Trigger is a memory for me of total greatness that I don't want to spoil with my modern, olde,r and more bitter perspective.

Can be said for a bunch of things really. I enjoyed 7 ok too. But was 9 the one with the little kids? I think I looked at the art style for that and just skipped it. Picked up with water volleyball boy who's dad was a giant space monster. (10?) Then played 11 for 2.5 years.

I played 12 for a bit, was like 11 but solo player. Was ok.

Exciting stuff I know.
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#46 Aug 31 2011 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Uninteresting main character, even less interesting main villain, weak supporting cast, mediocre at best story, lack of art direction are the reasons I was never a fan of 7. The most infuriating thing was that ending with Red XIII that made absolutely no sense at all. Nothing I haven't said before when the topic comes up.

I also tend to notice that amongst 7's praises, it being the person's first Final Fantasy game tends to show up.


I don't disagree with most of that, except for:

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...where I think you've got to be trolling.

I admit that there's no cohesion between the environments, but the artistry of each area was stunning. The environments were memorable, interesting, and there was a ton of very original imagery to be found. They were labyrinthine and fun to explore. And for being so beautifully rendered, they were surprisingly interactive. The game also played fast and loose with the player's interaction with the scenery, which helped keep things fresh. The industry-leading graphics certainly helped, too. The game's art direction was a huge positive point for me, and I think it sort of bolstered (or overruled) the less than stellar parts.

It's been a while since I played it, but I don't remember anything nonsensical about the Red XIII ending. I do remember wishing that they had ended the game at the part where Holy gets summoned and everyone blinks. Would have been a great, poetic ending, in my opinion (though few share that outlook).

To the rest: most of what you cite as issues were only aspects that were 'average' in the game to me. They didn't stand out, but they didn't really detract, either. Really, I'm almost never impressed by characterizations in video games, so FF7 doesn't seem all that different than any other to me.

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Chrono Trigger also holds up surprisingly well against bitter perspective.

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Either one of you is an employee of Square Enix or EA Sports, or just a petulant fanboy of FFXIII. Either way, it makes me giggle with sadistic glee.

Tee-hee!

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Is there another kind?


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I admit that there's no cohesion between the environments, but the artistry of each area was stunning.
You misunderstand. When I say the lack of art direction, I mean one minute the game would use the in-game sprites for everything, the next it would be a pure CGI FMV cutscene, then the next it would be CGI FMV sprites in the regular backgrounds, and the next would be a cutscene using in game sprites in CGI FMV backgrounds, and then it'd be interactive CGI FMV/Game Sprites. They couldn't decide what they wanted to do and it ended up some weird bastardization.
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It's been a while since I played it, but I don't remember anything nonsensical about the Red XIII ending.
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Nothing nonsensical about centuries later a male beast, the last of his kind (which is a fact the game hammers into your skull pretty early on), running through a field with his children? So, what? There was a female hiding somewhere? He asexually reproduced?

Edited, Aug 31st 2011 8:08pm by lolgaxe
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Nothing nonsensical about centuries later a male beast, the last of his kind (which is a fact the game hammers into your skull pretty early on), running through a field with his children? So, what? There was a female hiding somewhere? He asexually reproduced?

Edited, Aug 31st 2011 8:08pm by lolgaxe


I bet he reproduces by budding.
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