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#1 Aug 03 2011 at 1:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Has anyone played it yet? I don't remember seeing any threads here about it. Not gonna lie, it's making me wish I had a 360. I can't wait until they bring it to PS3. I'm sure it won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I find the idea tantalizing.

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#2 Aug 03 2011 at 2:10 AM Rating: Good
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Looks entertaining. I do hope the environments themselves are dynamic in that they change without the player having to do anything beyond setup.
#3 Aug 03 2011 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
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I'm excited for it, but I'm also stuck waiting for an eventual PSN release. Hopefully it'll be this fall.

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Looks entertaining. I do hope the environments themselves are dynamic in that they change without the player having to do anything beyond setup.


I believe that they're supposed to be in a constant state of flux. I know that there are some scripted events, but I'm hoping that a nice random factor is in there as well to keep things fresh.
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#4 Aug 03 2011 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
Does look neat. I may end up buying it off steam for the PC.
Reminds me of Black and White, but in this game you just change the land and you don't really inter act with the beings.
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#5 Aug 03 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, this looks cool! Comes out next month on the PlayStation Network.

This'll keep my mind off the fact that my husband will be gone and I'll be all alone.

Oh, and Sandinmygum, your avatar is like the background on my home laptop, 'cept it's the candle instead of the match.
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Steam says $14.99? Is that right? Seems mighty inexpensive.
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Steam says $14.99? Is that right? Seems mighty inexpensive.


'Tis correct. It's just a downloadable on the consoles, too (which are typically at or below $20).
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My system is only minimum spec in some places (processor mainly; i3-530) but I might give it a shot for fifteen bucks.

The TF2 mask is hella-ugly though Smiley: laugh
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#9 Aug 03 2011 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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This video has more gameplay in it. You'll see things like:
-a volcano slowly forming, which will eventually get big enough to actually be a threat that you need to deal with.
-ANOTHER volcano slowly forming in another area.
-tsunamis coming through.

I think I heard earthquakes can happen too, but it doesn't show them in this level.
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#10 Aug 03 2011 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought about picking it up, but it's basically a puzzle game with interesting graphics. While I do enjoy puzzle games, I don't like to spend very much money on them since they have limited replay value. I'll probably pick up From Dust when it's half the price.

On the topic of XBL games though, they've got a pretty good lineup this summer. I'm thinking about picking up Bastion and I'm a bit tempted by Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet.


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I believe this has released now. Anyone play it? Is it all that and a bag of chips?
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#12 Aug 18 2011 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a little over half way through the single player campaign. I like the art in the game, and from the designs I get a feeling of similarity to that of Team Ico. There isn't much of a story to be had, but it isn't teh kind of game meant to have one or requiring one.

When it comes to the gameplay, for a sandbox style game it feels fairly limiting. While you can pick up stuff from anywhere and put it anywhere, there aren't that many types of things to pick up and move. There is primarily dirt, water, dirt, lava, and dirt. Also dirt. If you hadn't guessed, you mostly just manipulate dirt. The problem with this is that you can't form it in anyway, you can just pile it up. You can't shape it, you can't dig through it. You can only change the relative local elevations. At least for the campaign thus far, water hasn't been very important beyond growing plants for bonus missions. You can pretty much make a puddle with it, and that's all. Lava cools to become rock, so it's just dirt that doesn't wash away with water.

The levels have been pretty easy, and most of them just boil down to "make a dirt bridge." There are a few variances beyond that, such as being able to maybe divert a stream that is washing away your dirt bridge, but the tools and puzzles are so imprecise that while you might be able to think of a clever way to reach your destination, most anyone could power through it with enough dirt.

I haven't' done any free play yet, but I imagine it being a more limited version of a kid in a sandbox with a hose.
#13 Aug 19 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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I have purchased it and messed around with it a little before my laptop ran out of juice. My wonderful puppy dog chewed the cord while I was at work, so I have no way of charging it up until I receive a new cord from Amazon tomorrow.

#14 Aug 19 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
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People are ****** OFF about how they've handled the PC release, though. They had announced that it WOULD NOT have online-only DRM (besides a one-time required authorization), even if launched through Steam. That alone was a breach of ToS on their part, so anyone who bought the game is guaranteed a refund if they want it.

They also launched the game with a 30 fps cap, without support for anti-aliasing, without the ability to play it windowed at the highest resolutions, without DirectX 11 support, etc. Not to mention that it's filled with glitches.

Understandably, pc gamers are ****** off. They have enough issues only ever getting console ports, but to get ports without ANY effort put into it?
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#15 Aug 19 2011 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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Tempted to buy this game then get a refund. Free game.

It likely won't work out, but might be worth a shot for some lulz.
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#16 Aug 20 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Since it requires always-on, I'm guessing you'll lose your access.
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#17 Aug 20 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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IDrownFish wrote:
Tempted to buy this game then get a refund. Free game.

There are less convoluted ways to get the game for free.
#18 Aug 21 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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Tempted to buy this game then get a refund. Free game.

There are less convoluted legal ways to get the game for free.


FTFY.
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#19 Aug 21 2011 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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You're really going to try and moral high horse me when you just suggested buying and immediately returning the game in an attempt to fast one Ubisoft?
#20 Aug 21 2011 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
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It still would have been a legitimate way to get the game that the company chose to provide. He'd be completely within his rights to do so. Which he probably wouldn't have been able to do anyway, because they likely thought of that. If, however, they were offering full refunds AND you got to keep the game, there would be absolutely nothing wrong with taking advantage of that.

They are offering the refund because they violated the rights of their customers by lying about the state of DRM. It has nothing to do with the game itself (which is also absurd).

The pirates, on the other hand, are the ones that led to the mess in the first place.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
It still would have been a legitimate way to get the game that the company chose to provide.

In the same way that bringing your own bug to a restaurant is a legitimate way to get a free meal.
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The pirates, on the other hand, are the ones that led to the mess in the first place.

Heh, only partly. If every single pirate disappeared forever tomorrow, DRM would not.
#22 Aug 22 2011 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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You're really going to try and moral high horse me when you just suggested buying and immediately returning the game in an attempt to fast one Ubisoft?


Yeah, not really. I was just wondering if it was possible to legally get a free game off this. Morals had nothing to do with it.

It's a lot more funny to me if they messed up and I get a free game off of it than me downloading a pirated version.
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#23 Aug 22 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Default
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
It still would have been a legitimate way to get the game that the company chose to provide.

In the same way that bringing your own bug to a restaurant is a legitimate way to get a free meal.


You suck at analogies--these are COMPLETELY different.

In this case, the company provided a product that had an issue with it, and you the consumer are due a refund.

By bringing your own bug to the restaurant, you create an issue.

If this was a case of snapping the disc in half and then trying to claim that it was shipped that way, I'd agree with you. But it's not even remotely that.

The company is providing a faulty product, and are thus offering refunds to anyone who wants one. Whether or not those customers get to keep the game is ENTIRELY the company's decision.

It is, in NO WAY, you cheating the company.
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#24 Aug 22 2011 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
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This is a stupid conversation, but it's a perfectly apt analogy.
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In this case, the company provided a product that had an issue with it, and you the consumer are due a refund.

No, in this case, you were sold a perfectly acceptable product, pretended there was an issue, and so got to eat your cake and have the money you paid for it too.

Idrownfish suggested buying the game, playing it without issue, and then returning it for effectively get a free game. That's exactly like buying a meal, eating it without issue, and then complaining at the end for effectively a free meal. There is no faulty product here.

#25 Aug 23 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Except that it is a faulty product. That's the whole point.
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#26 Aug 23 2011 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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It'd strike me as disingenuous, personally.
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#27 Aug 23 2011 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Except that it is a faulty product. That's the whole point.

Except it isn't, what the **** is wrong with you? Idrownfish hasn't even bought the product yet, you can't possibly say it is faulty. He explicitly said he was going to return it just to get a free game out of it.

Did I just waste this much time? I hope I'm being trolled.
#28 Aug 23 2011 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ubisoft announced that they are going to release a patch in two weeks that will remove the need for a constant connection to play the game.

http://kotaku.com/5833482/does-this-fix-the-from-dust-disaster
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All the reviews I've seen said that, DRM aside, it's a pretty ****** port so I think I'll still pass.
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#30 Aug 23 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
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Except that it is a faulty product. That's the whole point.

Except it isn't, what the **** is wrong with you? Idrownfish hasn't even bought the product yet, you can't possibly say it is faulty. He explicitly said he was going to return it just to get a free game out of it.

Did I just waste this much time? I hope I'm being trolled.


lolwut?

The whole reason he'd be guaranteed a full refund is because the game is faulty. That's kinda the WHOLE POINT.

And that's only considering one issue which is large enough to warrant a full refund. Nevermind the myriad of other problems with the port.
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#31 Aug 23 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Even that was too much. I got trolled, you win.

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I just think arguments about something I said are funny when I'm not even a part of them.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
The whole reason he'd be guaranteed a full refund is because the game is faulty. That's kinda the WHOLE POINT.


This is somewhat negated when he knows the exact fault in question and buys it specifically because it has that fault and he figures he can get a refund and keep the game anyway. The point of the refund is to compensate those who would not have bought the game knowing that it had that fault. That's clearly not the case here though.

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Yeah. I tend to steer away from console game ports unless I know they were done well. There's nothing more irritating then playing a game on a computer and yet still having to navigate through a control system that clearly assumes I've only got two buttons a joystick and four directional buttons to work with. A clear example of a bad port is a game that allows for like 8-10 weapons/skills/whatever, which you can freely switch between, but only four of them can be hotkeyed at a time. Um... What?

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The whole reason he'd be guaranteed a full refund is because the game is faulty. That's kinda the WHOLE POINT.


This is somewhat negated when he knows the exact fault in question and buys it specifically because it has that fault and he figures he can get a refund and keep the game anyway. The point of the refund is to compensate those who would not have bought the game knowing that it had that fault. That's clearly not the case here though.


That still seems like it should be completely mitigated, imo, by the fact that the company would have CHOSEN to allow you to keep the game and get a refund. They would have been well aware of this possibility and deliberately chose to allow it (rather than allow for full refunds with a mandatory return of the game).

I'm imagining, of course, that the full refund is temporally limited to when you bought the game (and will likely be completely discontinued in a week or two when they release the patch eliminating the always-online requirement).

If you can get the refund in two months when you finish, it may or may not be a different story. But that would still have been the company's choice. It's not like you would be doing something shady, or even like you were trying to find a very specific loophole.
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/shrug

Call me old fashioned, but to me a moral choice has to do with more than just what someone else will let you get away with.
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"get away with" seems like a stretch in this case.

I'd say someone "got away with" something if, say, they broke a no-turn on red law because they knew cops were never there and that there was no camera on the light.

I wouldn't use it to describe a scenario in which you got a free item for buying $200 worth of goods, and got to keep said item if you returned the $200 worth of items. I'm not prepared to call this moral, but I don't think it's obviously immoral. Quite frankly, I'd argue that it falls outside those boundaries with the current moral system modern western societies tend to use. I mean, the reason I personally wouldn't do it is because it FEELS dishonest.

But it doesn't seem to be dishonest in any kind of way I can actually substantiate, is what it comes down to. Why? Because you don't even have to care about always-on to get the rebate right now. Literally. All you have to do is call customer service and point out that they breached their ToS by making it always-on. That's what the actual point is to me. Knowing ahead of time that a company is going to breach their agreement with me doesn't make it any less acceptable that they breach it.

If this was just because of an uproar about it being always-on, without that ToS violation, I might not have the same position I do now.

I might as well point out that I wouldn't do this, as I do feel it is somwhat dishonest. But I can't come up with any valid reasoning for arguing that, so my official position is to each his own on this one.
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I smell an awful lot of rationalization. Who are you trying to convince?
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Why would I rationalize anything? This was neither my idea, nor have I attempted to do it. And I doubt my computer is powerful enough to even make the pc version worth getting even if it WAS free.

But nice try on the ad hominem argument. I know you like to turn to them when you don't have anything legitimate to add.
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For someone with no stake in this, and who has admitted that he wouldn't do it because it feels dishonest, you're spending a **** of a lot of time arguing that it's perfectly ok to do it anyway.
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My personal FEELING about something is just that--a feeling. Taking the moral highhorse against an issue without any rational reason is stupid and absurd. Because, all things considered, this is nothing like bringing a bug to a restaurant.

I know this is difficult for you to understand, since you think the entire world should agree with you regardless of how illogical you are being. :)

Would I do it? No. Can I think of a good reason with which I can argue that it is immoral? No.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
My personal FEELING about something is just that--a feeling. Taking the moral highhorse against an issue without any rational reason is stupid and absurd. Because, all things considered, this is nothing like bringing a bug to a restaurant.


Of course it is. In both cases, you are deliberately taking advantage of the policy of a business to gain their product for free. They are not identical, but they are certainly similar. From an ethical standpoint what you are trying to do (get something for nothing at someone else's expense) is the same.

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You can't? Deliberate personal gain at someone else's expense doesn't constitute an immoral (I'd say unethical is more correct) act? Methinks you aren't thinking hard enough. Or maybe have deliberately shut your brain off?
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/shrug

It doesn't seem like wronging anyone to me. They are the party that wronged their customers. If they chose to let you keep the game and get a refund, to make amends, it would seem par for the course. Because at the end of the day, they are the ones who set the parameters for refunds. If it's a scenario they find acceptable, I'm not going to beat myself up over it.

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Or am I supposed to be assuming that the company WOULDN'T have seen this coming, and that we are exploiting some kind of loophole in the rebate system? Because I can't imagine that happening.

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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It doesn't seem like wronging anyone to me. They are the party that wronged their customers. If they chose to let you keep the game and get a refund, to make amends, it would seem par for the course. Because at the end of the day, they are the ones who set the parameters for refunds. If it's a scenario they find acceptable, I'm not going to beat myself up over it.

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Or am I supposed to be assuming that the company WOULDN'T have seen this coming, and that we are exploiting some kind of loophole in the rebate system? Because I can't imagine that happening.

Edited, Aug 26th 2011 8:07pm by idiggory


To me, it doesn't matter if they "saw it coming" or not. They were trying to make amends to the people who were wronged, and to take advantage of that doesn't seem right to me.

This is all just opinion, of course.
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My gut reaction is that the population that was wronged is far larger than the number that had actually bought this game before the news broke. To me, the ToS violation is just that--a breach of their agreement with the community.

Considering that, if THEY chose to let anyone who wanted it keep the game, it doesn't seem awful to me to do so.

What bugs me about the idea of it being "dishonest" (like I feel it is) is that you don't need to actually be dishonest at all. You can flat out call the company, say that you bought the game knowing that it was always-on but not okay with them breaking their ToS, and get a full refund. Whether or not they let you keep the game on top of that is ENTIRELY their decision.

Just strikes me that this should clear you of blame.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
My gut reaction is that the population that was wronged is far larger than the number that had actually bought this game before the news broke. To me, the ToS violation is just that--a breach of their agreement with the community.

Considering that, if THEY chose to let anyone who wanted it keep the game, it doesn't seem awful to me to do so.

What bugs me about the idea of it being "dishonest" (like I feel it is) is that you don't need to actually be dishonest at all. You can flat out call the company, say that you bought the game knowing that it was always-on but not okay with them breaking their ToS, and get a full refund. Whether or not they let you keep the game on top of that is ENTIRELY their decision.

Just strikes me that this should clear you of blame.


Clear you of blame, sure. The company doesn't blame you for it. But that doesn't necessarily make it "right" or "moral." Or "honest," if that's a better term. All of those seem a little too strong to me, considering the situation.

It's sort of like, I wouldn't do it because I'd feel bad, but I wouldn't think less of someone if they did... make sense?
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My gut reaction is that the population that was wronged is far larger than the number that had actually bought this game before the news broke. To me, the ToS violation is just that--a breach of their agreement with the community.

Considering that, if THEY chose to let anyone who wanted it keep the game, it doesn't seem awful to me to do so.

What bugs me about the idea of it being "dishonest" (like I feel it is) is that you don't need to actually be dishonest at all. You can flat out call the company, say that you bought the game knowing that it was always-on but not okay with them breaking their ToS, and get a full refund. Whether or not they let you keep the game on top of that is ENTIRELY their decision.

Just strikes me that this should clear you of blame.


Clear you of blame, sure. The company doesn't blame you for it. But that doesn't necessarily make it "right" or "moral." Or "honest," if that's a better term. All of those seem a little too strong to me, considering the situation.

It's sort of like, I wouldn't do it because I'd feel bad, but I wouldn't think less of someone if they did... make sense?


Yes, lol, because that's exactly how I feel about it. :P I couldn't do it, because it just wouldn't feel right. But beyond that, I can't find anything with which to fault someone who does do it.
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