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#1 Apr 14 2011 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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According to multiple reports today, Nintendo will reveal a new console at E3 this coming June.

Game Informer first reported that the console is capable of running games at "HD resolutions." Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and that Nintendo's intent is to recapture the hardcore market. Another source said it is capable of 1080p resolutions.

Nintendo is reportedly showing the console to publishers to garner interest for a late 2012 launch.

Additional sources tell IGN that Nintendo will release a pre-announcement this month with a full reveal expected at E3 and that the console will be backwards compatible with current Wii software.

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/116/1161893p1.html
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#2 Apr 14 2011 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I somehow doubt it. The casual market is too much of a cash crop.

In any case, it's a terrible move on their part to launch it now. People are way too invested in their PS3s/360s to be willing to move atm, I'd wager.
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#3 Apr 14 2011 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Yay the wii 2, might be all powerful but motion gaming is the BANE of all existence. I wanna know how its going to be more powerful yet profitable, Xbox360s are barely profitable for MS, Sony is barely profitable with PS3, and this new machine by Nintendo is 'more' powerful? One of the main reasons Wii sold so well is because A) it targets families and B) it was cheap as hell/had limited stock.

Nintendo has never been the most powerful thing on the block and when they were they bit themselves in the **** by staying cartridge based. I'll admit I bought a N64 when it first came out. I loved Pilotwings and Mario and umm then i traded it for a PS1 because FF7 came out on it and Nintendos game lineup had much to be desired. Now I loved Golden Eye and Mario Cart and Zelda also but they came so much later.

This generation of systems is unique that its less about hardware and more about software. Other then very few select titles every game is on every system usually direct ports.

But yeah, I really don't think nintendo stands a chance, Its another Gamecube in the making, while it will have hit games, maybe a handful of first party and that's it. Nintendo stopped being 'hardcore' back on Snes days.

Now the NGP I'm looking forward to, a portable that's powerful, has tons of developers help design it. The only thing I'm on the fence about is the pricing if the rumored 249/299 for the wifi version (349/399 for the 3G version) I think it will easily dominate the handheld market.

But Nintendo usually isn't the front runner of any console generation via hardware and they love to re-release the same thing for more money with one more option. Example DS>DS lite> DSi> DSi XL> 3DS. Hell the 3DS is barely moving because it has a terrible lineup, gimmicky features, and is like barely more then a normal DSi.

I hightly Suspect that this new 'awesome' console is WII with HD and maybe a better processor.

Sorry for the rant.
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My first thought was that this is strange timing, but then I realized that part of Nintendo's success has been that they haven't subscribed to the same release window that Sony and Microsoft are matched up in. They've been surviving by actively staying separate from their competition, both in their systems and their methods. Makes sense to me.

I'd wager that the pricing point will be key for any new system. I'd think that they still want to undercut the other two companies with whatever they produce.



I'll probably be sticking with Sony, regardless.
#5 Apr 14 2011 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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My first thought was that this is strange timing, but then I realized that part of Nintendo's success has been that they haven't subscribed to the same release window that Sony and Microsoft are matched up in. They've been surviving by actively staying separate from their competition, both in their systems and their methods. Makes sense to me.


Their release window and Sony's match up pretty well. I dunno what you are referencing. Even the handhelds (at least the major upgrades) come out pretty close together.

The biggest problem is that, even if they were somehow successful in providing a cheaper, more powerful console than the 360/PS3, people don't have money to buy it. They would be targeting an audience vastly smaller than the Wii's demographic, by trying to sell a system that would be more expensive. And these are the gamers that already have a current gen system, and possibly 2. It's going to take a lot to convince most of them to drop $400+ bucks for a new console/games when there's still so much life left in their old ones.
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My first thought was that this is strange timing, but then I realized that part of Nintendo's success has been that they haven't subscribed to the same release window that Sony and Microsoft are matched up in. They've been surviving by actively staying separate from their competition, both in their systems and their methods. Makes sense to me.


Their release window and Sony's match up pretty well. I dunno what you are referencing. Even the handhelds (at least the major upgrades) come out pretty close together.


Yeah disregard that. I was clearly misremembering it, for some reason. I thought the Wii came out a year earlier.

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The biggest problem is that, even if they were somehow successful in providing a cheaper, more powerful console than the 360/PS3, people don't have money to buy it. They would be targeting an audience vastly smaller than the Wii's demographic, by trying to sell a system that would be more expensive. And these are the gamers that already have a current gen system, and possibly 2. It's going to take a lot to convince most of them to drop $400+ bucks for a new console/games when there's still so much life left in their old ones.


Yeah and with Sony and Microsoft's next gen's in the oven right now, I don't know if anyone would really put much stock into the whether or not Nintendo's is "more powerful."
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It's possible that they are trying to set a market precedent, like Microsoft managed to do with the 360. If they can get the system out earlier, their titles also get out earlier and they set a trend in their favor.

But the thing is, that only worked for the 360 because the power gap between it and the PS3 wasn't massive (though had the PS3 launched for, say, $300 they may not have managed to retain that hold). The PS3 is more powerful, sure, but by the time it launched the 360 already had a year to establish itself and get legitimate titles out on the market (versus launch titles for the PS3 and c'mon).

And that's where I think Nintendo will definitely go wrong.

Console technologies are about 5 years behind top pcs right now (from what I understand). It's possibly even higher. The flip side is that the pcs they are that far ahead generally cost at least $1500 and probably far more (and I'm talking purely parts).

There's no way Nintendo is getting a better console out on the market in the next few years unless they are going to take a massive loss with each sale, or price it far too high. If it's priced too high, they'll face the problem the PS3 hit at launch. And even if priced low, they're launching in an environment that isn't looking for a new console, so costs that would be reasonable when the next gen consoles launched (say $300), would seem too high right now for many, many, many gamers.
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#8 Apr 14 2011 at 10:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally would not want to buy any Nintendo console. It could be cheap, powerful, and have a control scheme I wouldn't feel like a complete fool while playing games, and I still wouldn't buy it. There are two reasons. First, I already have a PS3, 360, and a ridiculously overpowered computer, I just don't need another gaming platform. Second, Nintendo exclusive games just don't interest me. They've been churning out Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon for damn near twenty years now, and I honestly have had enough of them all.
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I'd buy it before I buy a 360. They're are plenty of attractive games on the console, sure, but I flat out refuse to buy anything with such a ludicrous rate of failure.
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Now the NGP I'm looking forward to, a portable that's powerful, has tons of developers help design it. The only thing I'm on the fence about is the pricing if the rumored 249/299 for the wifi version (349/399 for the 3G version) I think it will easily dominate the handheld market.
I'd get in on ground level. Its usually more expensive, but first generation releases tend to be easier to ... customize.
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#11 Apr 14 2011 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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I'd buy it before I buy a 360. They're are plenty of attractive games on the console, sure, but I flat out refuse to buy anything with such a ludicrous rate of failure.


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I think you are all taking the comments about hardware power too seriously. I'm not sure what you expect them to say? "This console is a mediocre improvement in power. We guess it's better than the PS3, but even low end tech products tend to be superior to those on the high end from just a few years ago. Don't expect it to be anything special. Why even buy our console?"

Unveiling a new console isn't supposed to be informative; it's supposed to be persuasive. They're advertising.
#13 Apr 15 2011 at 2:40 AM Rating: Default
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Turin wrote:
idiggory wrote:
I'd buy it before I buy a 360. They're are plenty of attractive games on the console, sure, but I flat out refuse to buy anything with such a ludicrous rate of failure.


I see someone is stuck living in the past.


What's wrong with that? I have news for you - things were better in the past. Better music, better TV programmes, better movies. I'd go back to the 1980s in a heartbeat.

As for videogames, I probably had the best time on my PS1.
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I'd get in on ground level. Its usually more expensive, but first generation releases tend to be easier to ... customize.


Completely agree. I got my first PSP on launch because Dynasty Warriors while riding Seattle buses was to good to pass up. I've since upgraded to a PSP2000 becuase it was a big improvement over the first gen and still had the option for emulators. I tried a PSP go but it dug into my hands to much and I really wasn't happy with it so I took it back and switched back to my 2000. 6.37ME-8 atm



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jtftaru wrote:
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idiggory wrote:
I'd buy it before I buy a 360. They're are plenty of attractive games on the console, sure, but I flat out refuse to buy anything with such a ludicrous rate of failure.


I see someone is stuck living in the past.


What's wrong with that? I have news for you - things were better in the past. Better music, better TV programmes, better movies. I'd go back to the 1980s in a heartbeat.

As for videogames, I probably had the best time on my PS1.


He's talking about the "ludicrous rate of failure." being a reason why he doesn't want to purchase a 360, ever. That is pretty much a thing of the past, and has been for the last few iterations of the console.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
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Turin wrote:
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I'd buy it before I buy a 360. They're are plenty of attractive games on the console, sure, but I flat out refuse to buy anything with such a ludicrous rate of failure.


I see someone is stuck living in the past.


What's wrong with that? I have news for you - things were better in the past. Better music, better TV programmes, better movies. I'd go back to the 1980s in a heartbeat.

As for videogames, I probably had the best time on my PS1.


He's talking about the "ludicrous rate of failure." being a reason why he doesn't want to purchase a 360, ever. That is pretty much a thing of the past, and has been for the last few iterations of the console.


Yeah but it was really bad in the beginning and for a good while, as a manager at Gamestop you would I would ship 4-5 consoles a week back to MS on returns. Which I believe MS used to inflate their numbers as it counted as a new console sale.

I was a never a fan of how MS nickels and dimes you to death. rechargable controllers 35 bucks. Want Wirefi - 100 dollars (used to be), want a bigger Hd, you have to pay our over inflated price. want internet, you pay a monthly fee. Want to play HD video - another 100 bucks, ohh wait sorry were dropping support for it.

I'm not saying PS3 is better but at least i always felt PS3 was upfront with the price from the get go and didn't do that, even the Wii Nickels and dimes you to a point, only saving factor on that was they allowed backwards compatibility with controllers.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
jtftaru wrote:
Turin wrote:
idiggory wrote:
I'd buy it before I buy a 360. They're are plenty of attractive games on the console, sure, but I flat out refuse to buy anything with such a ludicrous rate of failure.


I see someone is stuck living in the past.


What's wrong with that? I have news for you - things were better in the past. Better music, better TV programmes, better movies. I'd go back to the 1980s in a heartbeat.

As for videogames, I probably had the best time on my PS1.


He's talking about the "ludicrous rate of failure." being a reason why he doesn't want to purchase a 360, ever. That is pretty much a thing of the past, and has been for the last few iterations of the console.


Yeah, I know - I just thought it was an opportune moment for that little speech. :)
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He's talking about the "ludicrous rate of failure." being a reason why he doesn't want to purchase a 360, ever. That is pretty much a thing of the past, and has been for the last few iterations of the console.


I had heard it had gotten better, and I'm sure it's true. Of course, the two people I know who bought new 360s in the past 2 years both got RRoD within 8 months. Could be better, sure, but that rate of failure is still way too high for my tastes (I think it's supposed to be like 10% or something now).

I do know one person who has never gotten the RRoD. But the vast majority of his console usage is netflix, so I dunno if that matters. He's actually on an older model too.

Neither of them bought the slim model, which I have heard was reworked so that it isn't prone to failures anymore. And if it wasn't $300, I might consider it. But I'm pretty disgusted with microsoft overall--it's absolutely unacceptable to have launched the 360s with that rate of failure. This isn't a problem with the actual console, it's my unwillingness to support the business.

Maybe they'll make up for it with whatever they offer the next console round, but the 360's gonna need to get dirt cheap before I'm willing to nab one.
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I put my Nintendo Wii as one of my top 5 worst video game related decisions ever.

My list actually looks like this:

1. FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus (terrible game, blew $50 for about 6 hours of game play and a terrible story)
2. Pokemon Stadium (I quickly grew bored with it, and didn't enjoy the mini-games or the restricted fights)
3. Harvest Moon 64 (Actually liked the game, although it was like a Beta version of HM: Back to Nature for the PS1. Why was it so bad then? Unable to find it in stores, I bought it for $70 off ebay)
3.5 Lending my N64 to a friend of a friend. After years of asking for it back, I finally got her to give it to me. I had given it with 2 controllers and seven games. She returned it with one broken controller and 3 games... two of which were Mario 64.
4. Legend of Dragoon (Only game I never beat, I just hated it thoroughly. Only cost $20 though)
5. Wii (Only got one game, Twilight Princess. Should have realized I hated the Wii-mote before blowing $300 on it, huh?)
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Huh. I liked Legend of Dragoon. Or, at least, the battle engine. I haven't beaten it because my Eboot freezes on the PSP my PS2 is long dead, and my PS1 has been dead much longer, and I sure as hell don't want to go out and buy a system just for one game. I don't think of it as a game I wouldn't go back to beat if I were able to, though.
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It'll be interesting to see what they announce. I love Nintendo franchises, but I hated the Wii for the inaccurate controls. Besides HD resolutions, the other 2 keys for me will be more accurate controls and integrated online gaming.
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4. Legend of Dragoon (Only game I never beat, I just hated it thoroughly. Only cost $20 though)


Ok other then the slowish battles until you get used to them, whats to hate? (I actually haven't ebooted this on as My Psone still works fine and I have a large collection of Ps1 games (Every whiteback of Squares pretty much and a ton of other RPGs even little known ones like Hoshigami and Saiyuki) I even have 2 copies of FF7(White and greatest hits) and Xenogears.

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I actually won a Nintendo Wii at a bar's Superbowl raffle back in 2008. At the time, I could have ebay'd it for a pretty penny. I played it for about a week, bumming around with the new Smash Bros. and Wii Sports, before gifting it to my brother, who had been begging for it (he ended up never playing it, anyway).

I really regret not selling the damned thing when I had the chance.
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A few more leaked details.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1162045p1.html

Apparently there's going to be touch screens on the controllers. Also, it'll **** gold and sex you up when you're horny.
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#26 Apr 15 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
I <3'ed Legend of Dragoon.

I have to stop coming to this forum. It makes me want to go home and start playing a bunch of games that I just end up forgetting about for another month.

Until I post here again, that is.
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