Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Necro Cm'sFollow

#1 Jun 27 2005 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
I am currently playing a human necro and so far he is at level 15. At level 20 I am gonna start working on some of the CM's, probably gonna get the pet weapons CM and when I hit 55 I will delete the CM. Anyway I was wondering what you would recommend a to be lich to get for CM's beside the requirement to be a lich. Also since I am going to be a lich would it be better to go blood path rather then power path? Thankyou for your input =-)
#2 Jun 27 2005 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
*
83 posts
Hmm... well just about all the Human racial CM's are worth getting. If you're going to be a lich your gonna want lots of hp since it will be drained constantly by subversion. So i would recommened Vigors, Vital Bodies, Arcane Fortitude... anything for sta and hp.

As for which path to take, i dont one or the others really better for Lich. Power is good because, even though Lich get group/self PoT spells, thats not untill lvl 60, and groups seem to like it more. People say its harder to get group as blood Nec, but i went blood path and wasn't dissappointed at all, its great if healer dies, for soloing, and refilling the health you will lose form MCA. However, by level 60 your AR will probably be maxed and pacts will work fine... sry thats probly not too helpful but i like both paths =)
#3 Jun 27 2005 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
Wow! That was actually very helpful! Thankyou very much I wasn't thinking too much about HP but you make a valid point! TY vry much again, i have chosen to go blood path btw =-)
#4 Jun 28 2005 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
***
3,273 posts
Quote:
People say its harder to get group as blood Nec,


Only young and inexperinced kids thinks this! Peeps who know better, knows better than this!

Quote:
So i would recommened Vigors, Vital Bodies, Arcane Fortitude... anything for sta and hp


Ditto...
#5 Jun 28 2005 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
***
3,605 posts
Stam hp AR are your primary cm's to buy everything else doesnt matter. 51 spell is a wasted 120 cms, Pet weps to me are not worth it over all just a slight dmg advantage but not worth wasting 180 cms just to delete and regrind.(unless you reallocate cm's then it's worth it not a waste of grindage)
#6 Jun 28 2005 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
Darkocelot wrote:
People say its harder to get group as blood Nec,

I agree with singforu on this. Being a healer myself, I tend to draw a lot of aggro on a few high level mobs, and the Necro's blood spells have saved me many times. Also, it helps the tank too, in case I doo somehow die, or if I accidentally use a weaker heal.
#7 Jun 28 2005 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
I dont like power necs as much because they think all they have to do it cast power spell and not do anything else, Some wont even put a dot on, which imo every nec should unless theres some1 else using better dot.

And Bloods good for mobs that have aoes. And as a lich i can cast it after i power pacth a few people and using blood then a life tap will brigng me back to full hp. Blood also helps when soloing becuase i can pacth pet a few tiems and if ar failed i cna blood and usualy get full hp again and go on pacting.

And most invites come off the lfg tool which doesnt tell what path the nec is unless its in his/her name. And ive never been booted when asked if i was power and said i wasnt and im rarely asked usualy.

Powers problay better at low levels because there are rarely mobs that aoe unlike at high levels about every other camp has mobs that aoe. And usualy the most soloing for necs is at high levels where mobs hit harder and you need to pact more, which suualy means ar faisl more and you loose more hp.

This is all from personal experiance and i know its kinda long but just saying how i use bloods and how they help.
#8 Jun 28 2005 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
***
3,605 posts
Quote:
Some wont even put a dot on, which imo every nec should unless theres some1 else using better dot.



There is no better dot.....




At your level ditch your nec and start an ogre they make the best lichs. They have the highest hp potential for any nec class which makes them great for lichs.
#9 Jun 28 2005 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
Well i meant the cm upgraded dot, The 49 cm upgraded dot does more then the 60 regular spell dot.
#10 Jun 28 2005 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
Don't get the 'Deadly Covenent' (sp) cm's... it shortens recast on pacts but by-passes AR so you always take full damage.

Pet Buffs are awesome! Doubles tick/stats and increases to 30min

Leadership is really nice also for necros, especially when killing undead. (Sta/Wis buff)
#11 Jun 28 2005 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
Oh yeah forgot about the coveants cms, never buy them there ***** up your whole healing process.

Buy the upgraded dots, they tripple the dmg on level 49 dot and idk what it does to the 60 dot.



Edited, Tue Jun 28 22:55:22 2005 by SefanaPPO
#12 Jun 28 2005 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
Quote:
At your level ditch your nec and start an ogre they make the best lichs. They have the highest hp potential for any nec class which makes them great for lichs.


Actually all classes have the same hp potential as far as i know... ogres dont get any more hp factor points then any other race so each class can get the same hp without cms and armor. Now im not sure if Ogres get a cm that boost hp's or not but it doesn't matter to me because I much rather be a human anyway =-) Ogres take a little more effort to get to FP (my personal favorite training area from 1-20) than a human does (which is virtually none considering they start there!) That and I want to get the Leadership CM. Anyway I have a few more questions...

[Lightsteelblue]1. What is the highest you can get a stat before CM's (400? 450?)
2. What is the highest you can get a stat after CM's?
3. Should i buy the arcane resist CM and the Godborn? (CM that raises all resist stats 25)
4. Should i also buy anything that raises int since it is also one of my Power Pool Stats?
5. I plan on going lionwere for the STA and AGI boost, what are the requirements for that?
6. What are the abilities i can get from lionwere?
7. How much does Lionwere and its abilities cost CM wise?
8. Should i worry about buying any PoT or HoT CM's?
9. This one is a little off topic but how many times can one use the rose of renewal?
10. What is the deal with the swarming bones? I see red swarming bones, regular swarming bones and i have read that it cost 1 cm to make them red and somthing else about there weapons being different or somthing to that effect. Can someone explain this to me if possible?



Once again thankyou for your help, mabye i will build the best necro ever! (but i sincerely doubt it =D)[/Snow]



Edited, Wed Jun 29 01:07:04 2005 by fayted
#13 Jun 29 2005 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
3. Yes it'll help.
4. Yes, it also helps your spells proc.
5. The only requierment is that you're level 30 or higher.
6. The abiltys you can get from it are bite a nice mele attack(wouldnt recomend it for nec thou), Lycanthropic Regeneration(+10 hot), Lycanthropic Rejuvenation(+10 pot),Lycanthropic Resistances(AC +100, FR -25, CR +25, PR +25, DR +25, LR +25, AR +25), Defensive Instincts(+1 Def mod), Combat Senses(+1 off mod), Feral Lion Form 1 and 2(gives fearl form and sabertouth form), Feral Lioness Form(gives feral lioness and Primordial lioness form), and level 40 ability Accelerated Folliage(aoe root).
7. If you get every cm you can from it it'll cost around 315.
8. Never hurts. If you think you need them then you can.

Edited, Wed Jun 29 01:08:14 2005 by BillyBreaths
#14 Jun 29 2005 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
The upgraded 60 DoT does about 668x3 dmg if I recall correctly. Very nice even tho it ticks for 3/4 as many times as the origional DoT it still does a lot more dmg overall.

#15 Jun 29 2005 at 12:26 AM Rating: Default
fayted wrote:
1. What is the highest you can get a stat before CM's (400? 450?)
2. What is the highest you can get a stat after CM's?
3. Should i buy the arcane resist CM and the Godborn? (CM that raises all resist stats 25)
4. Should i also buy anything that raises int since it is also one of my Power Pool Stats?
5. I plan on going lionwere for the STA and AGI boost, what are the requirements for that?
6. What are the abilities i can get from lionwere?
7. How much does Lionwere and its abilities cost CM wise?
8. Should i worry about buying any PoT or HoT CM's?

1. 1-49 it's 350, 50-60 it's 400. But without Front's, it's just 350.
2. For human necro, the highest you would ever be able to get any stat is 600. MC gives 50, God Touched gives 25, the general stat maxers give 125.
3. The Arcane Resistence CM's I would recomend buying, but godbourn isn't worth it, seeing as you'll only really need the AR. 75 CM's for 25 AR, not worth it IMO.
4. You want int very much. It will raise your power more thne stamina will. The CM's part is up to you, remember, you need to choose some things on this char, it's your char, not theirs.
5. There are no requirements for a were! Hahahahahah! just do the quest.
6. You can get the 2 upgraded lion forms 25cm's (1) and 50cm's (2) CM's, an AoE root not sure on CM's, Arcane Rejuvination +10 PoT and a PoT buff spell 40cm's, Arcane Regeneration +10 HoT and a heal that acts as a drink (its like 200 or so) 40cm's, Lycanthropic Resistences +25 CR/LR/AR/PR/DR -25 FR 100AC 100 cm's, Defense Instincts +1 DEF MOD 20 cm's, Combat Senses +1 OFF MOD 20cm's, Bite a STR mod 30 sec melee punch, 400 STR= 1000 DMG 20 cm's.
7. Lionwere form 2, 25's, form 3 50 cm's, I gave a list soa dd up what you want.
8. Eh probably not, atleast not at 60. You'll have pacts for healing at 60, and Lich is all PoT in itself!

P.S. My 60 necromancer I deeply regret going blood. It never helped me, if the tank is good than the AoE crit won't hit the group. Power has a short recast (1 minute). I have never seen blood save anybodys life. Power gives your group power, so the other DD can use their abilities a lot more often, or a wizzy can cast like crazy and not go oom, healers shouldn't get low on power unless they have 2 like heal whole group from an AoE so then your power path would quickly regenerate their power to full, power will allow the tank to taunt more keeping it off the other DD whome is also doing more damage then they would if you was blood, and the healer would be able to drop a few nukes if your power path because you'll fill it back up, and by 60 chaining you 20, 30, 40 specialized 49, and 60 power spells every 60 seconds, your group should be pretty good power wise, not to mention power usually has a net loss of power (to you) at either 0, or in the negatives depending on the mob you use it on (as in you may also gain power). (assumeing they give you back exactly as much power as you used, which they usually give atleast that much) That's 1650 power to your group every minute, not counting the 60 spell, plus your Lich power pact every 12 seconds. That will definately speed the hell outta your groups up. You will get 50-60 faster, not to mention once you have your MCA and 60 path spell you'll probably be one of the more likely people to ever get 1500 CM's, being a petter you own EG, and power path you own normal groups.
#16 Jun 29 2005 at 12:41 AM Rating: Default
Just a little more to add..

If you use your paths 20-49 every minute for an hour, that's 99,000 power you gave to each one of your groupies.

Blood, 20-49 specialized gives 1375 HP and takes 2225 power from you, that's 82,500 HP if you cast it every minute for an hour, and minus 133,440 power from you. Blood also has a 1 minute recast. They both have a 4 second cast time, which if your trying to save somebodys life is kinda slow.

FYI: On the parts where I said if you cast it once a minute every minute in one hour, I left out the time taken from the 4 second cast, on both posts.
#17 Jun 29 2005 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
I added a couple of questions to my other post and i think there probably gonna get skipped over so ima repost them really quick and hopefully the answer to these will be as helpfull as the ones i have currently been getting.

fayted said:
Quote:
9. This one is a little off topic but how many times can one use the rose of renewal?
10. What is the deal with the swarming bones? I see red swarming bones, regular swarming bones and i have read that it cost 1 cm to make them red and somthing else about there weapons being different or somthing to that effect. Can someone explain this to me if possible?


titinipple, your information was extremely helpful reguarding the paths. i was comparing the two and i see what you mean by power path being more usefull. I was thinking health path for soloing and as a counter to losing life as a lich... still am kinda confused as to which way ill go but i know it really depends on my style of playing so ill probably pick the one i think i need the most =-) also i could always deviate from the path i chosen at 49? and get the other one... this could be extremely good now i think about it because if i were to go mana path for the first portion and then last i go blood ill have a heal as well as a mana so i can do both but be more profficient with mana... i dont know exactly yet but we will see =-)
#18 Jun 29 2005 at 1:14 AM Rating: Default
Yep your right lol, your last ones would of got skipped over a lot it looks like lol. But, you are aware that if you stay the same path 20, 30, 40 you get a specialized spell of that path at 49, but if you switch paths neither spell will be specialized. The specialized paths are much much more better than the nonspecialized. So, I'd think if you stayed power at 60 you'd get a better ability than somebody who was blood once and chose power st 60. so if you go power 20-49, and blood at 60, the ability probably won't be that great. All that is assuming they keep the specialized lessness of the paths. If you have max AR then your pacts should sufficient for healing. The nec 51 spell seems to do crazy damage to lower levels, but like 2000 damage to 50+ stuff, and a 1000 heal to you. The link is here to the spell on this site. I think the information is wrong, but it would be a good life saver for solo. Most people overlook this things usefulness and will probably have something to say about me saying this. But also this may be what you need instead of switching paths or going blood. but as another thing, buy the CMs that make your life taps (the 51 is an hour recast life tap) stamina mob (I think its required for Lich anyway). If you use these, you only need 2 out to chain them, and they do damage. I think more than the 60 necro nuke, or portentially more.

fayted wrote:
1. What is the highest you can get a stat before CM's (400? 450?)
2. What is the highest you can get a stat after CM's?
3. Should i buy the arcane resist CM and the Godborn? (CM that raises all resist stats 25)
4. Should i also buy anything that raises int since it is also one of my Power Pool Stats?
5. I plan on going lionwere for the STA and AGI boost, what are the requirements for that?
6. What are the abilities i can get from lionwere?
7. How much does Lionwere and its abilities cost CM wise?
8. Should i worry about buying any PoT or HoT CM's?
9. This one is a little off topic but how many times can one use the rose of renewal?
10. What is the deal with the swarming bones? I see red swarming bones, regular swarming bones and i have read that it cost 1 cm to make them red and somthing else about there weapons being different or somthing to that effect. Can someone explain this to me if possible?


1. What is the highest you can get a stat before CM's (400? 450?)
2. What is the highest you can get a stat after CM's?
3. Should i buy the arcane resist CM and the Godborn? (CM that raises all resist stats 25)
4. Should i also buy anything that raises int since it is also one of my Power Pool Stats?
5. I plan on going lionwere for the STA and AGI boost, what are the requirements for that?
6. What are the abilities i can get from lionwere?
7. How much does Lionwere and its abilities cost CM wise?
8. Should i worry about buying any PoT or HoT CM's?
9. When you use a rose of renewal it goes away. But you can use an infinate amount of the roses.
10. At 60, you buy Bone Swarming Death. You can buy a 1CM thing to make it Red Swarming Death. If you have all the oet weapon CM's you can buy a 1CM thing to make it Swarming Death. Red Swarming Death can't be invised (necromancers at 35 can buy Ghostly Death, a pet invis). Swarming Death can be invised. I'm not sure if anything changes from RSD to SD to BSD stat wise.

P.S. I would deathly recomend not chaneging paths because you never know what they may do one day with them. Say if they raise the level cap or something, and new epic abilities with new specialized abilities.
#19 Jun 30 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
all of you have very good input about necromancer , but if your makeing a Lich i hope you dont forget about wisdom. reading everyone post i didnt notice much about the requirments for Lich MC. Frist of all you have to have the drain upgrades and the buff up grades to unlock the MC Yes the includes buying/farming an Soul Mastery 51 spell. Now far as stats yes sta hp ar are nice to have but the stat needed for Lich is int 200 wisdom 150. reason why wisdom is important is because it mod's subversion.(sub on my Lich is powering at 684)Also Lich form is -hot/+pot and not resistable but that why as a lich its good to have high HoT. Most Lich dont have alot of wis because they want more hp but if you plan on using subversion and keeping wis around 150 you will probly only be powering for little more than 540.Far as other cm's i got bdot upgrade which does 668x3. and i am blood path. I dont have any info on defiler's but if you need some im sure someone can help you with that info. So good stats for going Lcih is Sta wis int ar. =0
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 274 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (274)