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#1 Dec 20 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
well here it is:

races:

hum(east): good for off/def mods plus populated city.

Halfling: very secluded area, and I dont know much about the cms, beside the ability to make food.

delf: I think you get an attack for a cm, but the downside is you cant get good coaches AND evil coaches like a human can, until your 24.

barb: good for the mc berserker (I dont know this personally).
but very secluded



STATS:
this is how I build MY rogue. I think dex and str should be raised by preference.

I do mostly str, for the normal damage, and most of your abilities.

Secondly, is dex, which is a power pool stat (i think) and buffs bs's.

next, is sta/agi. I raise both evenly until they are 100, then i stop with sta, and will do agi much l8r. This is because I can then get the hp cms, and that is a ll I need sta for. Agi is defence, which having decnt hp and decent defence is good, so aroung 40-50 I will do more agi, because it is also a pp stat.

dont worry about other stats

WEREFORM:::

on this, i think the best choices are between lion, wolf, and bear.

Bear and wolf both give str, very important, and sta for hp

Lion gives dex, also important, and agi.

basically, Just choose the form which gives the stat you need most (between str and dex)

now, on mcs I really dont have a say because ...I dont have one... so there it is, a quick guide to rogues!

Edited, Mon Dec 20 12:31:54 2004 by imkillinu
#2 Dec 20 2004 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
For the races you missed Dwarf, Barbarian and elf and lion form gives Sta and Agi not Dex.

Edited, Mon Dec 20 12:37:00 2004 by Wolfmansbrother
#3 Dec 20 2004 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
whoops messed that up (wereform)

and left out those races because I know nothing about their cms, so no point.
#4 Dec 20 2004 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
and, is it just me or is the thread subject attached to your post?
#5 Dec 20 2004 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah. I have no idea who I did it. Alls I did is edit cause I forgot Barbarian and when i looked it was there. Its really weird.
#6 Dec 20 2004 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
ooo barb, i forgot that too. ill add it now.
#7 Dec 20 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
ill help you out mr poster...
Elf- ok race, only 1 CM i would bother getting which is the dex and agi one...
Delf- same as elf but they have an extra 1hp ability..
human- very good because of their mods
gnome- good PoT not much else
halfling- they have some ability that reduces agro and an off/def mod like humans too, best race CM wise for rges
barbarian- if you dont plan going Berserker dont be a barb rge..
dwarf- not really any good CMs, i reccomend not being dwarf

for wereforms i reccomend gator, wolf, bear, or lion,(rat adds dex and agi, but the feral and dire forms reduce str)
gator-Ac and Str
wolf- str and sta
bear- str and sta
lion- agi and sta(good if you pull alot of agro)

now for MCs
Assasin- DEX MAX +50 OFF MOD +2 PR +25
Assasin MCAs...
Poisoned Blade- 3400 dmg 495 power 600 recast
Muscle Lock- big str agi debuff? 300 recast

Burglar-MOVEMENT RATE +20 OFF MOD +2 AGI MAX +50 DEF MOD +1
Burglar MCAs...
not sure of the names of the MCAs but i know the one is a no agro double steal

if you want to check the racial MCs go here because im not writing the rest out

www.hodstock.com

For raising stats there are 2 ways you could go..
First is group/raid rouge style...
Even Str and Dex at 60 with dex at 600 and str at 500 or 550(whatever the max may be) Usually Berserkers or Assasins as the MC choices

Secondly there are the more balanced rouges...
High Dex and Agi and medium str, high power but less damage, dont see many people who do this

Good Luck if your making a rge
#8 Dec 20 2004 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
yeah I saw a "balanced" rge a while back....and he tried to tell me he was a much better rge...then after reading off the dmg our quads+abils did...I was almost double his. AND I have decent hp thanks to vital bodies and feral wolf form.
#9 Dec 20 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
You forgot a very good MC, Ill get critized and flamed for this but Bravo is a very good MC for rge if you have the time to work out 1000 cms for a very good DD.

Base needed

Sta 200
Agi 200
Dex 200
str 200

IT seems balanced which can be bad but thingof this set up im about to post.

A well off bravo(Great DD)Aprox 1000 cms spent

Primal Wolfform: 150 str sta
Poise (bravo buff): 50 sta str agi dex
Blade dance (small AOE): 30 second recast AoE 1350ish dmg.

You can easily max STR and Dex with buffs and form, with a very small amount of dex str gear, I suggest picking up some HP max gear with some dex. You can have 5-6k with this set up and extremely high Damage.

I also suggest getting these CMs as a Were Beast, Bite, and the Off mod. Mayhaps some procing weps with high Duration.

I'm trying to help out on what i know.
#10 Dec 20 2004 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
funny thing is, my dex and str are already maxed....plus I dont think that much agi is important, so why not be more dmg AND get the assassin's stats...
#11 Dec 20 2004 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
For one. The crappy Recast on assassin's attack, the OKAY debuff. A bravo like this is more recommended for raids, even though it is much harder to get. You get one more off mod than the bravo as assassin. But you sacrifice little damage for more defense and and HP, so you can grind effectively as a melee with less risk of death.

This is my opinion and most my guilds.
#12 Dec 21 2004 at 3:10 AM Rating: Decent
heres how i see it. you can be a hard hitting rogue and do massive damage but when you pull aggro you better hope healer is paying attention,the tanks cant always pull mob back. Or you can be a rogue with good defence and good offence. For raids you can go assassin but the 3400 600 recast ability is crap. the burglar gets a 1600 damage(around) 120 recast ability. You can hit 2 or 3 Silent blades(burglar master class ability name i think) or do one huge ability on one mob. What iam planning on doing is making my rogue a burglar with the assassins skill cms to halve the backstab recast time. I think if you get this and the Silent Blades ability you will do decent to very good in raids. As for the stats i plan on getting bravo cms like my ranger. Im going to try for high dex agi and str and okay sta because im going burglar. Vital Body and hearty will help you stamina. With armor id try and max the str and dex and get more sta over agi. If you build your rogue this way you can do very good damage and take hits.


Paddic-Ranger-Bravo-55 CLW
Bopp-Rogue-Burglar-23 CLW
#13 Dec 21 2004 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Secondly, is dex, which is a power pool stat (i think) and buffs bs's.


Do you really have a lv39 rogue?
Well if so I dont think I am following this guide if you arent even sure what your power pool stats...
#14 Dec 21 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
heh, no one ever really told me what they were, but I DO know it is your classes flashing stat, Its just I was never informed on which one it was, or if it was both....the info I do give is good though, so don't worry about it....

Edited, Tue Dec 21 15:49:19 2004 by imkillinu
#15 Dec 21 2004 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
man, there must be a bug in alla or something, these thread titles on the posts are starting to annoy me.
#16 Dec 21 2004 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Imkillinu wrote:
heh, no one ever really told me what they were,

No one needs to tell you what they are. They are the blinking stats when you go to summary.
#17 Dec 21 2004 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
k i got the 40 rge here, and im VERY experienced with rogues, so because im bored and grounded from everything (read my post in CHRISTMAHUNNUKWANZIKAA thread), im gonna type a long thesis and guide of rogues. trusst me 100% on this, ive been playin since the game comes out. dont be underestamatin my 40nessness. i just lvl slow and get distracted with alts.

First and most important piece of advice: Be a MAG or NEC. MAG/NEC = group invites and TONS OF TONS OF PLs. RGE = if your lucky maybe you'll get a group of LB's.

If you listen to my advice and be a MAG/NEC. GOOD JOB! GO MAKE ONE AND GL!

If you didnt, well, then maybe i can help you even though you dont listen to me. just remember... i have a mage, nec, and rogue. mage n nec = i get groups. rogues = have fun waitin for your nonexistant invites in FP. so heres my guide:

IMPORTANT STATS: (in order of importance)
STR DEX STA AGI

Str: lets u hit hard. GIVE STR ALWAYS! NEVER STOP
Dex: makes you hit your hardest more often. you need this, but after a while it gets maxed easy, so you can eventually stop.
Sta: important. ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SOLO. you need Sta to be able to survive more than two hits. and if you want to solo, give STA STA STA
Agi: not to important. stop after non-CMed base is @ 100. then CM it


SOLO-ABLE CHARACTER
so basically, STR STA DEX AGI til they are all 100 base (un CM). then drop AGI but keep CMing it. Give STR STA DEX. drop STA around 120-145 un-cm-ed. (the more sta the more HP the more soloin). KEEP CMing STA. Now STR and DEX all the way.
**please note: after i say 'drop' a stat, dont give training points to it, but CM EVERYTHING!

NON-SOLOABLE CHAR (your quests will be ABSOLUTE HELL. first hand experience in this. one word. WET-TISSUE-PAPER DEFENSE. actually 2, the first is a hyphenated word) anyway:

STR: all the way
DEX: all the way
**you still need AGI and STA if u dont want to solo, just not as much. just non-CM both up to 115, because your focus on damage will draw tons of agro and u need to survive a few hits.


**RACES**

im not sayin this cuz i have a bar rge, but if your not a BAR you might as well not be a rogue. ROGUE MC'S SUCK MORE BALLS THAN A *****. Assassin: 2 OF, 50 DEX max, and some poison resist. yippy. Burglar does not even deserve to be mentioned because if you are a defensive melee, then GFY.

BARBARIAN MC = MADE FOR ROGUES. you get 4 OFFENSIVE MODS, 25 STR, 25 STA. so at 60, ull hit like a 64. and if u CM, u can buy 3 more OFs, so if u CM right at 60 ull hit like a 67. so ull hit whites like theyre LBs. Be a barbarian. go berserker. and even if you dont like berserker (which everyone likes), you can still go Assassin and burglar.


Playing a rogue.
Go Wound path. if you pick evasion path, u basically get a "de-taunt", so if ur gettin assraped, it'll rape ur friend instead of you. how nice. now if you pick WOUND path, you get THE MOST DAMAGING STABS YOU WILL EVER GET!!! EVER! MADD DAMAGE!
evasion path is a joke. wound path is a gift from God.

When solo-ing or dueling, USE A DEFENSIVE SET OF ARMOR. so if u solo or duel, get a set of ALL STA/AGI ARMOR! and jewelery and weapons.
#18 Dec 21 2004 at 6:11 PM Rating: Default
PS: any questions? really. if u have them, post them or mail them (in game) on PROUDPINES OUTPOST to Evilnessness. and tell me u saw this post. GL ery'one
#19 Dec 21 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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im not sayin this cuz i have a bar rge, but if your not a BAR you might as well not be a rogue. ROGUE MC'S SUCK MORE BALLS THAN A *****. Assassin: 2 OF, 50 DEX max, and some poison resist. yippy. Burglar does not even deserve to be mentioned because if you are a defensive melee, then GFY.


No offense, but your joking right? Not saying this cause im a die hard halfling but, halflings have GREAT dex which is same importance or more to a rouge. the str can be made up, and if the rogue MCs are that bad go bravo. Barbs are high in the str/sta area but im pretty sure they lack in dex. compared to a hlf anyways.
#20 Dec 21 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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im not sayin this cuz i have a bar rge, but if your not a BAR you might as well not be a rogue. ROGUE MC'S SUCK MORE BALLS THAN A *****. Assassin: 2 OF, 50 DEX max, and some poison resist. yippy. Burglar does not even deserve to be mentioned because if you are a defensive melee, then GFY.


No offense, but your joking right? Not saying this cause im a die hard halfling but, halflings have GREAT dex which is same importance or more to a rouge. the str can be made up, and if the rogue MCs are that bad go bravo. Barbs are high in the str/sta area but im pretty sure they lack in dex. compared to a hlf anyways.
#21 Dec 21 2004 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Burglar will steal more in a few days time then you can make raiding.
#22 Dec 21 2004 at 8:51 PM Rating: Decent
actually, sin, I noticed that on some toons the stats dont give as much power as the other....


and, evil, no... Not only is an mc just for 5 lvls, and then raids....but the cms bars get are horrible IMO... except for berserker. And I dont think its worth it to base race on ONE good thing....so IMO, youre wrong, simple as that.
#23 Dec 21 2004 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
Bezerker isnt al it is ct out to be, hope you have good time finding a good tank 55+, because of the decreased def mods you will surely be seeing the spiritmaster more so than XP.
#24 Dec 21 2004 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Imkillinu wrote:
actually, sin, I noticed that on some toons the stats dont give as much power as the other....

That doesn't mean that the blinking stats aren't your power-pool stats. There is a main powerpool and a secondary powerpool. Like on Rouges: Main Power: Dex. Secondary: Agi.
#25 Dec 21 2004 at 10:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Imkillinu wrote:
Lion gives dex, also important, and agi.

Might want to fix. It's Stam/Agi.
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