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#1 Feb 24 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Pretty happy that this is coming and it will only be a one-time fee. 1000 gold seems fairly reasonable for a one time fee. Guess it was too much to hope that it might be free lol. Mmo champion link, edited to add link.

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#2 Feb 24 2009 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, 1k isn't much.
If you respec to do PvP every week you'll end at spending roughly 150g a week for respeccing and reglyphing twice.
So within 6 weeks the dual spec option is both cheaper, quicker and easier.
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I dont like the way the game is going financially, more gold from quests more gold for thing needed/wanted in game. The inflation per expansion is exponential. Eventually it will end up like other MMO's that have been around for a while with people having 12,000,000,000 gold to purchase 1 item. I wish they would balance it out on future expansions/content.

All this does is fuel the gold sellers/farmers, not that balancing out the gold increases will stop them but instead of having astronomical amounts needed for certain things will decrease the amount of people who are tempted to buy gold.

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#4 Feb 24 2009 at 5:59 AM Rating: Default
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Meh, there goes over half of my money, again.

Ugh.

1000? I woulda rather saw 500 TBH.

Hopefully the new dailies area that they mentioned will actually produce decent money for time spent, the current dailies sure do not. At Lv70, I was making money faster with IoQD at Lv70, then the dailies at Lv80 in Northrend will produce, even if you do SoH (the best dailies hub I've managed to find), it still takes longer, because of all of the travel involved.
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Meh, there goes over half of my money, again.

Ugh.

1000? I woulda rather saw 500 TBH.


Wow, seriously? Money is almost literally dropping into your lap in this expansion and you can't get over 2K?
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Yea, I can't understand the problem folks have earning Gold. Even casually during the week I can draw in about 1k gold simply doing daily's and a little farming (average 2-3 hours daily). It's really not hard to earn cash. If all you're doing is running Dungeons/Raids and not out in the world (ie. sitting in Dalaran until the next PuG or group comes along), then you're jippin' yourself. There's dozens of daily's spread out, some are ridiculously easy (Feeding whats-his-face for Sons of Hodir? Easiest...daily...evar!).

1k is a drop in the bucket. Glad it's that cheap and not like 5k, that'd take me...like...a week. Smiley: laugh
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RPZip wrote:
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Meh, there goes over half of my money, again.

Ugh.

1000? I woulda rather saw 500 TBH.


Wow, seriously? Money is almost literally dropping into your lap in this expansion and you can't get over 2K?


Once you get Lv80 and do all the quests, there really isn't much To do for money, at least for a Miner/Enchant with a Blacksmith alt. The Titansteel Items don't seem to make that much profit when you consider the time spent making one, everyone and their brother is farming Saronite/Titanium hard-core (but yet oddly, the AH price of them is meh), so it is difficult to farm your own Titanium. I can go hours without seeing a single Titanium Node in Icecrown or Sholazar, even worse in Stormpeaks on my server.

What's left? Dailies? They are too far spread out, and some of them are just plain annoying. So until I get another character into the mid-70s, my income is still looking kinda bleak. Right now, to create a character and get them to Lv80, you need 7,500 gold in mounts and riding training (500+1k+1k+5k), and now add on Dual-spec for another 1k, bringing that up to 8,500g just in fees to get your character able to perform with any efficiency. In my entire time questing from Lv68 to Lv80, I think I made about what, 6000? But then I was DEing the greens (another separate rant; there's no more dust or essence to level my enchanting with, as I can go _days_ without seeing a single BoE green drop and Essence is 30+ gold for ONE, and Trade is camped round-the-clock with 3+ Lv440+ enchanters who have better and more recipes than I do only having 425).
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How is money dropping into peoples laps? Apart from some daily quest money or spending tiresome time farming ore amongst the Chinese in Sholzar, I'd like to know where it is available so freely?

1000g, it's expensive, but worth the cost, I'll probably spend more customizing an off-spec kit.
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It's pretty easy to make 1k gold.

Fly around for a few hours farming herbs/ore will do it.
A few hours of fishing will do it.
A bit of disenchanting greens from the AH will do it.
Some other random Auctioneering will do it.
Jewelcrafting is supposed to be great for cahs too.
I can make money buying mats and selling pots/elixir's/flasks.
Soloing lvl 60 raids will get you some gold, though not as fast as any of the other options it's certainly cool.
Doing dailies can quickly rack up some cash, finishing off old quests for achievements also gets you gold.

There's so incredibly many ways to get gold that there has to be one you find somewhat entertaining to do.
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#10 Feb 24 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, you need to take up some new game professions if you think 1k is too much. I just started up a new toon on a new server after not playing in 2.5 years and I had 1k gold before I hit level 50. I bought my epic mount at 60 and am back up to 1.6k at 64. It really just isn't that hard to make gold in this game. It never has been, and from what I can tell it's only gotten easier.

1k for dual spec is only half of what I was expecting. I had been thinking 2k, myself. I don't think 1k is an unreasonable price at all.
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#11 Feb 24 2009 at 6:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, you;

1) Don't want to level your tradeskill that can make money, because that would take... effort. Note that even at 425 you can make money by enchanting and AH'ing Veliums relative to the AH value of the raw materials.

2) Don't want to use your once-a-day free money cooldown as a Miner.

3) Don't want to use your gathering profession to... gather.

4) Don't want to run daily quests (spread out? You should look into the Sons of Hodir ones, I mean... seriously?).

5) Don't want to kill anything.

Yeah, I guess I can see your problem there.
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#12 Feb 24 2009 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea, I can't understand the problem folks have earning Gold. Even casually during the week I can draw in about 1k gold simply doing daily's and a little farming (average 2-3 hours daily). It's really not hard to earn cash. If all you're doing is running Dungeons/Raids and not out in the world (ie. sitting in Dalaran until the next PuG or group comes along), then you're jippin' yourself. There's dozens of daily's spread out, some are ridiculously easy (Feeding whats-his-face for Sons of Hodir? Easiest...daily...evar!).

1k is a drop in the bucket. Glad it's that cheap and not like 5k, that'd take me...like...a week. Smiley: laugh


How long does it take you to do all those dailies? From my experiences, traveling between all of those zones and quest hubs to hit the said dailies takes a ridiculous amount of time. That's why I am hoping and praying this "New IoQD" will be worth it, I hate the stinking traveling everywhere to grab dailies. Yes, some of the dailies are easy. Some are also fairly annoying, and many are Sub-77 (green) which only yield 9g each instead of 12-15, especially those in Sholazar, 2 of the Wyrmrest, All of the Kalu'ak, etc.

There's Icecrown Dailies, but a good chunk of those are PvP dailies (no thanks) as well. Again, we need a good concentrated Daily Hub instead of this scouring the world for 2-5 dailies here, 2-5 there.. ugh. Too much boring travel, setting your character on Auto-run and proceed to fall half asleep. It'd help if WG wasn't right in the middle, and you were _forced_ to fly around it...
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Zariamnk wrote:
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Yea, I can't understand the problem folks have earning Gold. Even casually during the week I can draw in about 1k gold simply doing daily's and a little farming (average 2-3 hours daily). It's really not hard to earn cash. If all you're doing is running Dungeons/Raids and not out in the world (ie. sitting in Dalaran until the next PuG or group comes along), then you're jippin' yourself. There's dozens of daily's spread out, some are ridiculously easy (Feeding whats-his-face for Sons of Hodir? Easiest...daily...evar!).

1k is a drop in the bucket. Glad it's that cheap and not like 5k, that'd take me...like...a week. Smiley: laugh


How long does it take you to do all those dailies?


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#14 Feb 24 2009 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
It's pretty easy to make 1k gold.

Fly around for a few hours farming herbs/ore will do it.
A few hours of fishing will do it.
A bit of disenchanting greens from the AH will do it.
Some other random Auctioneering will do it.
Jewelcrafting is supposed to be great for cahs too.
I can make money buying mats and selling pots/elixir's/flasks.
Soloing lvl 60 raids will get you some gold, though not as fast as any of the other options it's certainly cool.
Doing dailies can quickly rack up some cash, finishing off old quests for achievements also gets you gold.

There's so incredibly many ways to get gold that there has to be one you find somewhat entertaining to do.


I disagree. Much of what you have wrote is assuming you have alts with multiple professions. My main is pretty much it, I only started playing 4 months ago. I have BS and mining at 450, but someone previously pointed out mining is moot now. The nodes in Sholzar/Icecrown and Storm Peaks are so heavily farmed it's a joke. BS makes no money and if your having to buy the mats from Chinese farmers you're going to make even less if you do make something that sells.

I have spent annoying amounts of gold enchanting and gemming my kit to spec for Naxx. Nearly everything I have made went on the flying mount and training.

Yes I will make 1k, but it will not be "easy" as you put it.
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RPZip wrote:
So, you;

1) Don't want to level your tradeskill that can make money, because that would take... effort. Note that even at 425 you can make money by enchanting and AH'ing Veliums relative to the AH value of the raw materials.


How, praytell do I do this with 5+ maxed Enchanters spamming Trade and already selling the very same things on the AH? I looked at that market, and it just simply isn't there. Nevermind, I have zero dust and essence income because BoE Greens are not dropping nad I exhausted Northrend of quests rewarding in gear.

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2) Don't want to use your once-a-day free money cooldown as a Miner.


You can't make TItansteel without Titanium and Eternal Fire, none of which I've been having luck with. Several Icecrown/Sholazar/Stormpeaks farming runs produced 0 Titanium Nodes. Tried killing fire elementals near the anvil, they drop 1 Crystallized Fire every 20+ kills. Yuck.

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3) Don't want to use your gathering profession to... gather.


Kinda hard to gather from nodes that aren't there. Dunno about your server, but on mine, when I can get on, you can spend 15-30minutes scouring the higher level zones, and you might see 3-5 Saronite Nodes. Saronite is going for like 20g a stack. So, in 30 minutes, you might get a stack of saronite ore that will sell for 20-25g tops. Wow. That's a lot of money, isn't it?

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4) Don't want to run daily quests (spread out? You should look into the Sons of Hodir ones, I mean... seriously?).


A Full Sons of Hodir Run will give you about 100-120g. It will also take you nearly an hour. My earlier point was, an hour in IoQD at Lv70 would produce twice that much. That's why dailies in Northrend need a revamp.

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5) Don't want to kill anything.


I kill stuff all the time, I just don't get much luck with drops. *shrug*

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 9:17am by Zariamnk
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Ah, I see the problem.

You know, there's this building? It's called an Auction House. You can use it to both buy and sell items - including, and this is important, buying raw materials and then turning them into something else.

Buy the Eternals and Titanium for Titansteel transmutes. Buy some dust and GCCs (and even shards!) to throw on some Velium and make enchants.
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RPZip wrote:
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Yea, I can't understand the problem folks have earning Gold. Even casually during the week I can draw in about 1k gold simply doing daily's and a little farming (average 2-3 hours daily). It's really not hard to earn cash. If all you're doing is running Dungeons/Raids and not out in the world (ie. sitting in Dalaran until the next PuG or group comes along), then you're jippin' yourself. There's dozens of daily's spread out, some are ridiculously easy (Feeding whats-his-face for Sons of Hodir? Easiest...daily...evar!).

1k is a drop in the bucket. Glad it's that cheap and not like 5k, that'd take me...like...a week. Smiley: laugh


How long does it take you to do all those dailies?


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Oh, I read what you typed, but I asked that question as an emphasis.

So, you spend 3 hours per day doing nothing but dailies. Are you aware of how many people got so sick of SSO dailies back in the TBC days, that they couldn't bear to do another daily for months once they got what they were after, and that is only ONE hour per day?

To be honest, spending 3+ hours (nevermind most people have 8/hr day JOBS) doing nothing but dailies every day, makes the game boring and monotonous as hell. Some people only get 3-4 hours per day to be on WoW, I doubt they want to dedicate 75%+ of their time doing the same 20-some quests over and over and over again.
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RPZip wrote:
Ah, I see the problem.

You know, there's this building? It's called an Auction House. You can use it to both buy and sell items - including, and this is important, buying raw materials and then turning them into something else.

Buy the Eternals and Titanium for Titansteel transmutes. Buy some dust and GCCs (and even shards!) to throw on some Velium and make enchants.


Too bad every other miner/alchemist is doing the same.

Buy 3x Titanium for 25g each, that's 75g.
Buy 1x Eternal Fire for 20-30g, that's 95-115g.

If your luck is bad, and you're low on Eternal Shadow/Earth, add another 20-25g, and that's nearly 150g.

Guess what? A Titansteel Bar only sells for 150-175!

Gaining 20some gold out of a 20hr cooldown is not what I'd call a moneymaker.
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One way to make money that I didn't see mentioned yet (well, not specifically), is with jewelcrafting.

On my server Dragon's Eyes are going for 200g per, so you could just do a 5-10 minute daily for 5 days and get 1000g.

I can't really complain about 1000g for the price personally, as I've made roughly 10k gold in the past 2 weeks from herbalism and the aforementioned Dragon's Eyes.

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A Full Sons of Hodir Run will give you about 100-120g. It will also take you nearly an hour. My earlier point was, an hour in IoQD at Lv70 would produce twice that much. That's why dailies in Northrend need a revamp.
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Ehm, nobody keeps you from going to IoQD to do your dailes there right? *shrug*
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I think 1k is a good price. While not what I'd call trivial for me, it's not a hardship either. It's the equivalent of 20 respecs, which means it'll become worth it to precisely the people who need it, and the people who don't won't bother.
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Not a bad price. I personally hate dailies, because I leveled to 80, currently working my main two alts(67 DK and 72 pally) who do non-stop questing.

I'm not complaining about the money, just saying..at my point..dailies get boring(especially doing the same thing over and over and over and over)..
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Or you could run Naxxramas and get a couple hundred gold if your group doesn't wipe over and over on that easy raid, same with the others as well.

Money literally falls into your hands. You could be farming cloth, run instances, buy frozen orbs and sell them, I made about 2k gold this weekend with JCing and a few dailies. SoH (at exalted) takes me about 35 minutes to do all of the dailies available with my epic flyer.

I really don't have any problem with 1k gold for effectively making it so that after 20 respecs it is free (including glyphs and bar movement, yes please!)

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Maybe that's the answer, everyone just drop BS and take up JC.
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Maybe that's the answer, everyone just drop BS and take up JC.


The difference is looking forward. BS was a great money maker when people needed gear to get into raids etc. But now that most of the playerbase who would buy those weapons are already there don't need them BS will fall by the wayside. When 3.1 comes out, you can bet that there will be some new recipes to make more money again (ala belt of blasting and bracers of nimble thought for tailoring in TBC).

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indeed. looks like people want an instant gratification as to why BS isn't making thousands upon thousands of gold like it did a couple months ago.

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I've been silly enough to read the PTR forum on the O-Boards. What I've been reading there, and which some people here seem to echo, is the sentiment, that they don't want to be hardcore, so 1000G is too much for them. Some people seem to be thinking that 1000G is too much for the casuals. The usual responses to that - which I tend to agree with - are that it's dead-easy to make that amount of gold in a few days tops.
But what almost nobody seems to think of, and which is even a better reason for casuals to shut up about it, is that Dual-spec isn't meant for them. If you're so casual, why would you need dual-speccing in the first place? So you don't have to worry about paying 1000G if you're that casual, because you don't need it anyways.
The cost is being compared to Epic Flying, but in all honesty I think casuals at least have some right to complain about that, because they do benefit from being able to fly faster. There's almost no benefit for casuals in being able to Dual-spec.

Now people are probably going to say things along the lines of "But I am a casual who also likes to PvP, so I need dual-spec!".
No. If you're someone who casually PvPs, you can easily make a hybrid build that allows you to both PvP casually, and do heroics for instance. If you want to min-max PvPing, you're not that casual anymore, and should be up to the daunting task of collecting a mere 1000G.

When it comes to being casual, but still raid and therefore needing Dual-spec: The moment you're calling yourself casual, but are at least hardcore enough to be raiding 25 mans, you should be farming for enchants, flasks and food anyways, so you should be perfectly able to get your hands on 1000G.

TL;DR version: If you whine about the gold price, because you are "casual", you probably don't need it anyways. If you do need it, you are not that casual anymore, and you should be able to get 1000G easily.
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