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#1 Aug 28 2006 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gamasutra has a 4 page article up, including an interview with one of the higher ups.

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060825/carless_01.shtml

worth a read, it's always wise to know your enemy :P
#2 Aug 28 2006 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
Enemy? I thought they were just an annoyance.
#3 Aug 28 2006 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't get to read the whole thing.. did they ask Brock if he is still diddling kids?


My favorite part was
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In addition, a number of those in the MMO community have been concerned with the way that IGE has been serially acquiring major MMO content websites in a low-profile fashion, including major item listing sites Allakhazam and Thottbot and major MMO portal OGaming - none of which explicitly list IGE or its parent company as the owner on their 'About' pages. This has led to speculation regarding further item-selling and website integration in the future.


But Alla, I thought you said you were bought out by some other company that you couldn't disclose at the present time, but it wasn't IGE. Smiley: confused

I know it is a Smiley: deadhorse, but still...
#4 Aug 28 2006 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Very interesting article. I wouldn't have imagined the company started with backing from NBC and Microsoft.
#5 Aug 28 2006 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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I still don't see why IGE would want to buy Allakhazam, Thottbot and OGaming if not to take advantage of the users at some point.

And stupid as I am, I still keep throwing my money at them. What I won't do for a few smileys and a psychotic avatar.

I wonder if Blizzard ever decides to just scan this website and ban every premium member on it for "trading with known RMT company".
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#6 Aug 28 2006 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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PsiChi the Flatulent wrote:
I didn't get to read the whole thing.. did they ask Brock if he is still diddling kids?


My favorite part was
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In addition, a number of those in the MMO community have been concerned with the way that IGE has been serially acquiring major MMO content websites in a low-profile fashion, including major item listing sites Allakhazam and Thottbot and major MMO portal OGaming - none of which explicitly list IGE or its parent company as the owner on their 'About' pages. This has led to speculation regarding further item-selling and website integration in the future.


But Alla, I thought you said you were bought out by some other company that you couldn't disclose at the present time, but it wasn't IGE. Smiley: confused

I know it is a Smiley: deadhorse, but still...


I liked this:

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Finishing up, the topic changed to exactly how IGE's 'content and community division', which owns websites including Allakhazam, Thottbot, and OGaming in the West, and also runs physical gaming competitions, websites, and even a burgeoning Chinese cable TV gaming channel partnership in Asia, interacts with the RMT side of the business.

Since IGE has been relatively low-profile about even admitting that it owns these businesses (though the Allakhazam owners have been talking on the record about this recently), there has been community concern over whether IGE's policies would find their way into community sites, where the owners often have strong anti-item trading stances. Clarke simply remarked of this: "There is not a lot of day to day connection" between the RMT trading and media ends of the business, and that IGE "doesn't have any intention of connecting them further."
#7 Aug 28 2006 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
Mazra wrote:
I wonder if Blizzard ever decides to just scan this website and ban every premium member on it for "trading with known RMT company".

And now you know why I dont pay for premium...actually Im chead and dont own a credit card.
#8 Aug 28 2006 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Great read. Rate up.


I have no comments on the article though, I still think they are dirty rat bastards.
#9 Aug 28 2006 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Indeed, IGE's primary RMT operations are comprised of employees that handle "delivery, supply, and sourcing" of the virtual items.

This is equivalent to a drug dealer saying "I don't grow the stuff - I only sell it."
#10 Aug 28 2006 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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I still don't see why IGE would want to buy Allakhazam, Thottbot and OGaming if not to take advantage of the users at some point.
Corporations often invest in peripheral industries just because they happen to read or hear about them and see a good investment there. He owns cable companies and other unrelated businesses too.

The guy isn't a gamer, and probably couldn't care less about RMT vs. EULA issues. He just looks at books, numbers, and dollars, and thought that there were dollars to be had by taking ownership of all the mmorpg database websites.

I'm not saying that not caring is an excuse for participating in arguably unethical business practices, I'm just speculating that he doesn't care either way as long as it's making him money.
#11 Aug 28 2006 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
I believe that they are just diversifying their assets right now.

Perhaps they are trying to establish a better relationship with MMO companies?
#12 Aug 28 2006 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
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I still think they are dirty rat bastards.


QFT

That or Hemorrhoidial Tissue.
#13 Aug 28 2006 at 9:26 PM Rating: Default
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ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
This is equivalent to a drug dealer saying "I don't grow the stuff - I only sell it."


Except no.

This is like the drug dealer's wife buying something with the money he gives her.
#14 Aug 28 2006 at 9:43 PM Rating: Decent
tworow the Malevolent wrote:
ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
This is equivalent to a drug dealer saying "I don't grow the stuff - I only sell it."


Except no.

This is like the drug dealer's wife buying something with the money he gives her.

please elucidate:

Gold farmers = cocaine farmers. They sell to cartel. Cartel sells to drug dealers. Drug dealers sell to users.

I.G.E. is the cartel and dealers rolled into one. Where the hell does the "wife" fit into the picture?
#15 Aug 28 2006 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
please elucidate:

Gold farmers = cocaine farmers. They sell to cartel. Cartel sells to drug dealers. Drug dealers sell to users.

I.G.E. is the cartel and dealers rolled into one. Where the hell does the "wife" fit into the picture?


Because the part of the company that owns those sites is not involved in the gold selling part. Different employees, different managers, probably different executives depending on the size of the company itself.

It's like thinking Microsoft's Windows guys know anything about the 360.
#16 Aug 28 2006 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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You still think of Microsoft when you think of Xbox. And when you think of Microsoft you think of Windows.

So in a way you think of Windows when you think of Xbox. Although the two things are handled by different divisions and whatnot.

Edited, Aug 28th 2006 at 11:05pm EDT by Mazra
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#17 Aug 28 2006 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Mazra wrote:
You still think of Microsoft when you think of Xbox. And when you think of Microsoft you think of Windows.

So in a way you think of Windows when you think of Xbox. Although the two things are handled by different divisions and whatnot.

Edited, Aug 28th 2006 at 11:05pm EDT by Mazra


And that's why I don't deny the metaphorical 'drug money' found its way here, but it's not the same.
#18 Aug 28 2006 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
tworow the Malevolent wrote:
ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
please elucidate:

Gold farmers = cocaine farmers. They sell to cartel. Cartel sells to drug dealers. Drug dealers sell to users.

I.G.E. is the cartel and dealers rolled into one. Where the hell does the "wife" fit into the picture?


Because the part of the company that owns those sites is not involved in the gold selling part. Different employees, different managers, probably different executives depending on the size of the company itself.

It's like thinking Microsoft's Windows guys know anything about the 360.

IGE is the gold seller. Alla is the gold seller's wife. The holding corporation is Cosa Nostra.
#19 Aug 28 2006 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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I'll admit, I'm not comfortable with supporting a site that obviously no longer hate IGE and whatever IGE stands for.

That's kinda like saying "Drugs are bad" and then go out and buy some for yourself. Hypocrisy I believe it's called.

And if the guy behind IGE really is that obsessed with numbers and cash flow, what the hell is he doing trying to take over the community sites? I don't think Allakhazam.com provides a fortune (otherwise there would've been no reason to sell it, would there?) and having to deal with the moral collisions you get when you bring IGE money to an anti-IGE site... I simply can't see why he'd even bother.

Unless they plan on doing something that would benefit their primary business in some way.

Right now, Zam.com is most likely a money sink.
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#20 Aug 28 2006 at 10:57 PM Rating: Default
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Right now, Zam.com is most likely a money sink.


No I believe zam.com has become a library for the gold farmers. The real question is if WOW reader is only providing data for Alla or if it is now being redirected to a enhanced loot link for more profitable farmers.

I figure with WOW butt slamming the farmers the only cash IGE can make off of them is from info farming. Now take info farming from the largest MMO with 6,000,000 player base and your are now talking some serious cash with less overhead.
#21 Aug 29 2006 at 8:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since they are talking about this in an article, I guess I am free to post more information. Maybe it is just semantics, but I don't consider us owned by IGE. The initial sale of the company was done through IGE, but it was done as part of a larger deal that included a large influx of cash from a group of prominant institutional investors, which was meant to form a new, larger and more diverse corporation with zam as one of several divisions. This is still being formed at this time. Brock Pierce of IGE is the largest shareholder of this new company, and may even be the majority owner. I personally don't know the percentages of ownership, or even all of the owners' identities. Frankly, I don't really care since they paid us a huge amount of cash up front for the deal and gave us complete autonomy to run the content side of their business. Nobody in their right mind turns down enough cash to lavishly retire on coupled with the ability to continue doing exactly the same thing they were doing before but with no more personal financial risk.

The sale took place 6 months ago and I can say uncategorically that not one time has anyone dictated to me what to do with the new network. I have had 100% autonomy in every decision regarding Zam.com. There is absolutely no connection between this site and their RMT sites. I don't even know who runs those sites and frankly have no desire to learn. I am too busy working on making zam better to bother. The merger of three diverse sites has been longer, slower and more difficult than I imagined, so many things I had hoped would be done by now are still pending. Give us time and you will see how this is of benefit to you as well.

Why did this newly forming company buy Allakhazam? Believe it or not, we were a very profitable business before we sold. At our max, we had over 40,000 premium members. Multiply out the numbers and figure it out for yourself. IGE had been trying to duplicate our site for many years. What they created was ogaming, along with Thottbot, which they bought out during wow beta. Those sites were losing money like mad for them. Once they got a look at our books, they decided maybe we knew more about running a successful content business than they did and bought us and put us in charge with the single dictate of making the network successful and profitable. We have a solid plan that will do just that.

You of course have the right to not believe anything I say, but I will repeat that Zam.com is a completely separate and independant division in this very large corporation. The only connection we have with IGE is that we share a central accounting and legal division, but even there our books are kept separate from those of the other divisions of the company. None of the information gathered by this network is being used by IGE. None of the decisions about this network are made by IGE. None of the people who work on this network have any connection with IGE. The only person with final say as to what does or does not get done here is me.

Now if we are not successful, I guess this may change. You have a lot to say about how successful we are, since it is ultimately the community that makes the site. So if you are truly worried about IGE taking over this network, then you should be doing what you can to help us succeed and make it an even better site than it was before.

I hope this answers some of your questions.
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#22 Aug 29 2006 at 9:23 AM Rating: Default
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Edited, Aug 29th 2006 at 10:34am EDT by wowscreenies
#23 Aug 29 2006 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
WITH ALL OF THIS MONEY, BUY/CREATE REAL FORUM SOFTWARE PLZ
#24 Aug 29 2006 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Maybe I need a very detailed and colorful map drawn for me, or maybe I'm just a simpleton, but I can't seem to help conjuring this mental diagram:

Paying for premium membership on this site somehow, someway, no matter how directly or indrectly, is feeding money into the pockets of people who are either directly or indirectly involved with RMT. You can try to explain the divisions and subdivisions and ownerships and technicalities or whatever if you want, but to my mind, spending money on A somehow makes profit for and/or benefits B... and I really don't like B.

It's a pity too, 'cos that WOWsig was kinda cool.

(shrug)
#25 Aug 29 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:

I hope this answers some of your questions.


When are all the other "extras" that were promised when this takeover was announced going to be delivered?

Is there a timeline?
#26 Aug 29 2006 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe I need a very detailed and colorful map drawn for me, or maybe I'm just a simpleton, but I can't seem to help conjuring this mental diagram:

Paying for premium membership on this site somehow, someway, no matter how directly or indrectly, is feeding money into the pockets of people who are either directly or indirectly involved with RMT. You can try to explain the divisions and subdivisions and ownerships and technicalities or whatever if you want, but to my mind, spending money on A somehow makes profit for and/or benefits B... and I really don't like B.

It's a pity too, 'cos that WOWsig was kinda cool.

(shrug)


Well, I say yes to the question, but Alla will probably say no.

Look at it like this: There are people that hate cigarettes and yet they still buy craft products. There are people that hate Wal Mart and yet they still shop at CostCo (or Sams club, I forget which is owned by wallyworld). People hate the DEA and yet they still want to get Social Security...

Any time a corperation gets really big, there will be branches that you like and branches that you don't like. It is just up to you to decide if the branches you like offer you enough to outweight the money, by proxy, helping out the branches you dislike.
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