No, not the talent tree. I was reading some posts about how so-and-so was suspended for whatever reason, and I had a rather strange thought:
If you're a parent who plays WoW with their child(ren), and they do something in-game (harassment, cheating, etc) that gets them in trouble, would you go further to discipline them for essentially violating a set rule?
Now, I realize that it's kind of a strange thing to think about, given the usual "Game != IRL, so play ball" mentality, but as things like online gaming become more and more prevalent in today's society, would it become necessary to start disciplining children for things done in online social situations as well? You'd discipline your child for cheating in a sport, just as you'd discipline them for cursing out a peer, an elder, or a younger child. My question is largely directed at any parents on the boards that play WoW with their kids, but anyone else is welcome to chime in as well: should discipline carry over into an online situation as well?
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I think perhaps, you have too much time on your hands to be thinking of such things. :)
I'll be brief on this, as I don't want to get into a large debate.
I'll leave it at this:
It is not the job of the Blizzard GM's to attend your children. They are enforcing rules not to parent your child, but to make their game environment pleasant for as many as they can.
If you feel the need to punish your child because his video game account got suspended... well... I'd really hate to be your child.
How about, instead, you instill a sense of responsibility and values in everyday life, and these things will go with them not only while playing video games, but in everything they do for the rest of their life.
I'll be brief on this, as I don't want to get into a large debate.
I'll leave it at this:
It is not the job of the Blizzard GM's to attend your children. They are enforcing rules not to parent your child, but to make their game environment pleasant for as many as they can.
If you feel the need to punish your child because his video game account got suspended... well... I'd really hate to be your child.
How about, instead, you instill a sense of responsibility and values in everyday life, and these things will go with them not only while playing video games, but in everything they do for the rest of their life.
Scholar
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I would definitely be doling out some discipline for bad online behavior. A parent's job is to teach their child how to be a productive member of society. Online communities are not exempt from society. The child needs to be responsible for their behavior in all settings. The idea that they could be well-mannered in one case, when their parents are watching, and then behave badly when they think they will not be held accountable is disturbing to me. If I had such an experience with my own child, I would have to rethink how effective I have been in teaching him or her to be a responsible, functioning part of the world. I definitely would put an end to being allowed to interact with people online, if they did not know how to conduct themselves appropriately, until such time as they could be trusted again. Trust, once broken, is not an easy thing to regain, and it should not be taken lightly.
How about, instead, you instill a sense of responsibility and values in everyday life, and these things will go with them not only while playing video games, but in everything they do for the rest of their life.
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Absolutely.
If your child came home with a note from school saying they called another child a derogatory name, or sexually harrased a student, would you let the school's punishment stand on it's own?
most likely, the child's actions would carry repurcussions at home as well.
As a parent, it's my responsibility, among other things, to make sure my child grows up knowing what is, and is not acceptable behavoir. just because they're displaying that unacceptable behavior in a video game instead of out in public at the mall or something does not excuse the behavior. Also, those children should learn early that the other characters are also real people, and they should learn to treat them just as they would someone else they saw on the street.
I'm not suggesting he should be caned, but at the very least a stern talking to... if not bust out one of my dad's more wicked punishments from my childhood. make the child write a paper on why they acted the way they did, or write a paper about why what they did was wrong, or have them write a book report on a book about the subject matter in question.
(my dad... he was mean, but smart)
~io
If your child came home with a note from school saying they called another child a derogatory name, or sexually harrased a student, would you let the school's punishment stand on it's own?
most likely, the child's actions would carry repurcussions at home as well.
As a parent, it's my responsibility, among other things, to make sure my child grows up knowing what is, and is not acceptable behavoir. just because they're displaying that unacceptable behavior in a video game instead of out in public at the mall or something does not excuse the behavior. Also, those children should learn early that the other characters are also real people, and they should learn to treat them just as they would someone else they saw on the street.
I'm not suggesting he should be caned, but at the very least a stern talking to... if not bust out one of my dad's more wicked punishments from my childhood. make the child write a paper on why they acted the way they did, or write a paper about why what they did was wrong, or have them write a book report on a book about the subject matter in question.
(my dad... he was mean, but smart)
~io
It would depend on what my child did wrong. A little bit of verbal harrasment he'd probably just get a lecture but corpse camping or more serious harrasment he could wind up with a grounding that out lasted his in game suspention. Same for ninja looting.
there's little difference between those and real life harrasment and stealing, so the punishment would be the same.
On a side note, in a recent issue of Computer Games magazine they printed an article about one of the editors son. The boy was just about to start first grade and struggling with reading. they started him on WoW over the summer and by the time school started he was reading at a fifth grade level. He also had a level 60 hunter and had just hit rank 8.
Sometimes games can be a real positive for kids, rather than something you have to constantly monitor. It varies from child to child.
there's little difference between those and real life harrasment and stealing, so the punishment would be the same.
On a side note, in a recent issue of Computer Games magazine they printed an article about one of the editors son. The boy was just about to start first grade and struggling with reading. they started him on WoW over the summer and by the time school started he was reading at a fifth grade level. He also had a level 60 hunter and had just hit rank 8.
Sometimes games can be a real positive for kids, rather than something you have to constantly monitor. It varies from child to child.
Today on Maury:
My father is a carebear!
- Jason, level 60 Warrior, High Warlord
My father is a carebear!
- Jason, level 60 Warrior, High Warlord
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My husband and I have no childern. On the other hand "husband" pretty much qualifies since he has as addicted to wow as himself. Guess I should be thankful WoW is his only addiction. I find it refreshing that there are parents out there that carry the moral and social guideline into online games. If a child gets online and feals the need to be cussing and harrassing others then there has to be some other root reason. Today it might be WoW.... Sometime in the future they could be cussing out somoene in a video confrence or online session that cost them a career. Who knows were technology will be when the children of today become the 25-40 year old executives of tomorrow.
As an aside, I absolutely had too much time on my hands when I thought this up. Of course the day I stay home from work with the flu it's maintenance time :P
I think that my children would indeed be getting, at the least, a talking-to about their behavior, online gaming or not. As Minas said, you need to instill responsibility and values into every day life, and they need to understand that just because they're doing something online, it doesn't leave them exempt from the same rules that would be expected to follow in my household (especially since odds are they would be playing the game in my household as well).
I think that my children would indeed be getting, at the least, a talking-to about their behavior, online gaming or not. As Minas said, you need to instill responsibility and values into every day life, and they need to understand that just because they're doing something online, it doesn't leave them exempt from the same rules that would be expected to follow in my household (especially since odds are they would be playing the game in my household as well).
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Today on Maury:
My father is a carebear!
- Jason, level 60 Warrior, High Warlord
My father is a carebear!
- Jason, level 60 Warrior, High Warlord
Funny as it is though, when it comes to kids you have to take that kind of thing seriously. Children don't completely separate fantasy and reality until a shockingly old age. So something like corpse camping could lead to violence at school etc. If you're going talk about responsible parenting you've got to cut that out early.
Some kids can handle games others can't.
Hmm, seems I disagree with some of the stances here.
First off this is a video game, so lets not pretend that whatever happens in the game has some kind of severe life altering impact on anyone. The game sets rules and enforces them, if you break the rules you get the punishment. What need is there to punish further? It would be smart to maybe explain to the child more precisely what they did, and how it was wrong. But to add further punishment seems unnecessary, "You stole that mage's kill, you're grounded for a week"
They would be taught from the beginning not to cheat, and if they did cheat they would deal with the consequences of their actions in the game by either being warned by a referee or ejected from the game. "I saw you trip that kid timmy, you're grounded for a week".
This is a little different as their is no governing body over "life". One could argue the police are, or whatever authoritative body is present at the time assuming you the parent are not (principal,teacher,etc). Each situation is different and cannot be summed up.
My response would be no, unless the infraction was so severe that it warranted it. Though I can't imagine what that scenario would be but it would have to involve breaking the law.
Now don't get me wrong, things like this would deserve at least a lecture, but aside from that there are systems in place why compound it further?
And no I am not saying "let blizzard do my parenting" I am saying let the punishment fit the crime.
I always hated punishments like "You broke that window, you're grounded for a week" most of the time my parents would have the stance of "You broke that window, better start working it off, here's a list of chores you can do to start paying us back" there is no correlation between the punishment and the crime.
And I'll bett Doom2 led to columbine. (I forget which alleged video game was the one they mentioned). I think the exact OPPOSITE of what you said will be more likely to happen, A kid will start doing things like corpse camping due to BEING treated poorly at school.
*Important Edit* This is all under the pretense that the child is admitting they did wrong and expresses some remorse. IF the child is "having fun" doing these actions and does so repeatedly that is an entirely different ballgame and would probably result in immediate removal from the game.
Edited, Tue Feb 28 14:04:41 2006 by TseTsuo
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If you're a parent who plays WoW with their child(ren), and they do something in-game (harassment, cheating, etc) that gets them in trouble, would you go further to discipline them for essentially violating a set rule?
First off this is a video game, so lets not pretend that whatever happens in the game has some kind of severe life altering impact on anyone. The game sets rules and enforces them, if you break the rules you get the punishment. What need is there to punish further? It would be smart to maybe explain to the child more precisely what they did, and how it was wrong. But to add further punishment seems unnecessary, "You stole that mage's kill, you're grounded for a week"
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You'd discipline your child for cheating in a sport
They would be taught from the beginning not to cheat, and if they did cheat they would deal with the consequences of their actions in the game by either being warned by a referee or ejected from the game. "I saw you trip that kid timmy, you're grounded for a week".
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Just as you'd discipline them for cursing out a peer,an elder, or a younger child.
This is a little different as their is no governing body over "life". One could argue the police are, or whatever authoritative body is present at the time assuming you the parent are not (principal,teacher,etc). Each situation is different and cannot be summed up.
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Should discipline carry over into an online situation as well?
My response would be no, unless the infraction was so severe that it warranted it. Though I can't imagine what that scenario would be but it would have to involve breaking the law.
Now don't get me wrong, things like this would deserve at least a lecture, but aside from that there are systems in place why compound it further?
And no I am not saying "let blizzard do my parenting" I am saying let the punishment fit the crime.
I always hated punishments like "You broke that window, you're grounded for a week" most of the time my parents would have the stance of "You broke that window, better start working it off, here's a list of chores you can do to start paying us back" there is no correlation between the punishment and the crime.
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So something like corpse camping could lead to violence at school etc.
And I'll bett Doom2 led to columbine. (I forget which alleged video game was the one they mentioned). I think the exact OPPOSITE of what you said will be more likely to happen, A kid will start doing things like corpse camping due to BEING treated poorly at school.
*Important Edit* This is all under the pretense that the child is admitting they did wrong and expresses some remorse. IF the child is "having fun" doing these actions and does so repeatedly that is an entirely different ballgame and would probably result in immediate removal from the game.
Edited, Tue Feb 28 14:04:41 2006 by TseTsuo
I'm not sure if I would ground my child for things like ganking/CCing (it would more likely be a talk about respect and kindness), but if it were the result of using language that if used in my house would result in punishment in any other situation, I would likely apply it to an online environment as well. For example, I wouldn't want my child to call other people "****" at school, so you can bet that they'd be in trouble for using it in any situation, online or no.
There have been a lot of very interesting points raised during this discussion, so I want to thank people for their input. Although I am not a parent yet (and hopefully will not be for another couple of years), it is always something to think about given how much gaming plays a part of children's lives nowadays.
There have been a lot of very interesting points raised during this discussion, so I want to thank people for their input. Although I am not a parent yet (and hopefully will not be for another couple of years), it is always something to think about given how much gaming plays a part of children's lives nowadays.
Scholar
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Ok, first of all, I have kids that play WOW, but i watch over them pretty carefully. For them the game has been a great stepping stone for talking about RL issues, as well as internet safety. But as a parent, I have to wonder why you are asking the opinions of a group of gamers about how to raise your own children. Don't you have guidlines already in place for all their behaviour, on-line, or not? Just wondering.
I don't have children, as I mentioned above, so while I have ideas on how to raise them, I don't really know from experience. Also, this was an opinion post, not a "plz post a guide to raising kids plzplzplz" (rstfb). Finally, a lot of the posters here are very mature and I knew that there would be a lot of insightful posts on the matter.
Just wanted to make sure my intentions are clear.
Just wanted to make sure my intentions are clear.
As some of the other posters have said, I'd definitely give some sort of disciplinary action, depending on the offense and severity. The ground rules for behavior don't change because the kid's playing online - although the setting is virtual, the people he's playing with are real. Fair play and honesty in dealing with others is important. Trash talk is one thing (I don't approve of it, but it's not a critical issue), but out-and-out rudeness without cause is forbidden, and cheating (or attempted cheating) is even worse.
As a parent who plays WoW with a teenager who plays WoW (kid's father also plays WoW)...
I definitely think that actions should have consequences in game and out. Too many kids (and adults) run around online acting like jerks and think that it doesn't affect anything. It's painful to watch and it's hurtful to many.
The punishment should match the crime, though, as suggested...
At the very least, a good talking-to should ensue.
As for why asking a bunch of gamers? Hey, why not? It's good to hear opinions from all sides. I personally like to hear feedback from kids so that I can try to be a better parent. Unlike WoW, kids don't come with a manual. ;)
-T.
I definitely think that actions should have consequences in game and out. Too many kids (and adults) run around online acting like jerks and think that it doesn't affect anything. It's painful to watch and it's hurtful to many.
The punishment should match the crime, though, as suggested...
At the very least, a good talking-to should ensue.
As for why asking a bunch of gamers? Hey, why not? It's good to hear opinions from all sides. I personally like to hear feedback from kids so that I can try to be a better parent. Unlike WoW, kids don't come with a manual. ;)
-T.
Minas wrote:
How about, instead, you instill a sense of responsibility and values in everyday life, and these things will go with them not only while playing video games, but in everything they do for the rest of their life
Damn, that's sig-worthy.
This is going to come out the wrong way, but I really think helping others is satisfaction in itself.
Earlier today I was questing in Elwynn on my new Warlock when a guy started saying stuff about another player's mom in the General Chat. When he said he was black and told us to stop being racists and *****, I whispered him and told him he was one click away from a verbal harassment report. Instead of saying "I'm sorry, it was just a joke" he started justifying what he'd said. I don't give a crap, and I made that very clear, I still report people who bring up references to ***** and racists, and mothers. He then told me I was a sad nerd with no life and that I should go get laid more often, and that he would report me for being a sad person. He asked if I was 12 or 13 years old because I was acting like it (I was responding in the best English I've learned, he was using a mix of IM language and plain poor English) and I told him I was 20. When I told him he sounded like a 16-year-old with hormonal issues due to the numerous sexual references and the IM language, he said he was in fact
18 years old...
Yes, sad, isn't it?
Anyways, the idiot put me on ignore and then asked if anyone knew where to find his questgiver. Turns out I was the only one in the area who knew it. Tough luck.
As someone once said in a tv show I watched: Don't blame the kids, blame the parents. And it's true because the children are what the parents make of them.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
I'm with Tsetsuo. I believe as parents, our responsibility is to equip our children with an accurate view of the world to prepare them for surviving it on their own. I believe in letting them learn natural consequences.
In the case of getting suspended, a child who is behavior controlled where the punishment doesn't make sense in relation to the offense will be the one to come whining on the forums because they won't understand what they have done wrong. If I found out one of mine was suspended for language I'd say, "Well that's what happens when you mouth off in general chat. I bet those people won't want you in their instance party anytime soon either," and then not put up with any moping or complaining about it. If I got the impression that they understood the consequences of their actions, that they now couldn't play for a while and that they had developed a bad reputation for themselves, then they have learned what they should have learned. Any further punishment at this point would only be a power struggle and a waste of time. If they repeated their actions I'd know they were already aware of the natural consequences and I'd be the one filling out the GM report and spreading their bad reputation.
The only times I would really punish them is if they were endangering the safety of themselves or others. Online there aren't many ways they can endanger anyone and they need to learn for themselves that people don't appreciate certain words or use of language and that there can be consequences. I think the only thing I'd flip over is if they used the internet social setting to meet strangers or encourage violence or suicide.
In the case of getting suspended, a child who is behavior controlled where the punishment doesn't make sense in relation to the offense will be the one to come whining on the forums because they won't understand what they have done wrong. If I found out one of mine was suspended for language I'd say, "Well that's what happens when you mouth off in general chat. I bet those people won't want you in their instance party anytime soon either," and then not put up with any moping or complaining about it. If I got the impression that they understood the consequences of their actions, that they now couldn't play for a while and that they had developed a bad reputation for themselves, then they have learned what they should have learned. Any further punishment at this point would only be a power struggle and a waste of time. If they repeated their actions I'd know they were already aware of the natural consequences and I'd be the one filling out the GM report and spreading their bad reputation.
The only times I would really punish them is if they were endangering the safety of themselves or others. Online there aren't many ways they can endanger anyone and they need to learn for themselves that people don't appreciate certain words or use of language and that there can be consequences. I think the only thing I'd flip over is if they used the internet social setting to meet strangers or encourage violence or suicide.
I think you should monitor what your kids are doing and if you see something you don't approove of, then punish them. I wouldn't go so far as grounding them from everything, just make them not play the game for a couple days or something and that usually does the trick. I don't have kids but being 21, i remmeber my middle school days and what my parents did
I think the biggest problem is that the internet gives you anonymity. Kids who act up online, may not act up in RL because they can see and have to actually deal with the consequences of their actions. As parents, we have a responsibility to instill the right morals and behaviors in our children and part of that may be taking action on a "cyber incident".
For a lot of children growing up now, a lot of their social interaction comes from the internet. This can be good, as it can provide a window to those who normally shy away from social situations. Keep in mind that I am not saying that the internet can substitute for RL interaction, but it can be a good starter.
This being said, it is still our responsibility to make sure that morals and behaviors are held up in all situations. Kids are far too impressionable and intelligent to give them "double standards" for the way they act.
If (more likely when) my child is old enough and starts playing WoW, I will expect him to conduct himself online as he would in real life. If he is caught cheating, he would be punished for it. If he is caught cursing, he will be punished for it. I'm not talking anything severe, but he needs to understand that life comes with consequences and that the internet is not an excuse to act out.
For a lot of children growing up now, a lot of their social interaction comes from the internet. This can be good, as it can provide a window to those who normally shy away from social situations. Keep in mind that I am not saying that the internet can substitute for RL interaction, but it can be a good starter.
This being said, it is still our responsibility to make sure that morals and behaviors are held up in all situations. Kids are far too impressionable and intelligent to give them "double standards" for the way they act.
If (more likely when) my child is old enough and starts playing WoW, I will expect him to conduct himself online as he would in real life. If he is caught cheating, he would be punished for it. If he is caught cursing, he will be punished for it. I'm not talking anything severe, but he needs to understand that life comes with consequences and that the internet is not an excuse to act out.
TseTsuo the Wise wrote:
Hmm, seems I disagree with some of the stances here.
That's just plain wrong, just as at school the teachers can't catch everything that goes on.
If, as a parent, you catch your child doing something bad or detrimental to good gaming, it must be your responsibility to put a bit of discipline in. If I follow your reasoning, if I caught a child of mine having anti-social behavior, then I should notify a GM, who would implement the discipline. Nope. WRONG! That's just abdicating your responsibility as a parent.
Now, if a GM does the catching, is it any different than if you caught it? Not really. Discipline by a parent will stay with the child a bit longer than that of a disinterested third party.
Some behavior such as corpse-camping, is not against the rules, but might be against your rules. A GM wouldn't take any action, but you need to be the one to enforce house rules.
Tsetsuo wrote:
Hmm, seems I disagree with some of the stances here.
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If you're a parent who plays WoW with their child(ren), and they do something in-game (harassment, cheating, etc) that gets them in trouble, would you go further to discipline them for essentially violating a set rule?
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First off this is a video game, so lets not pretend that whatever happens in the game has some kind of severe life altering impact on anyone. The game sets rules and enforces them, if you break the rules you get the punishment. What need is there to punish further? It would be smart to maybe explain to the child more precisely what they did, and how it was wrong. But to add further punishment seems unnecessary, "You stole that mage's kill, you're grounded for a week"
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You'd discipline your child for cheating in a sport
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They would be taught from the beginning not to cheat, and if they did cheat they would deal with the consequences of their actions in the game by either being warned by a referee or ejected from the game. "I saw you trip that kid timmy, you're grounded for a week".
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Just as you'd discipline them for cursing out a peer,an elder, or a younger child.
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This is a little different as their is no governing body over "life". One could argue the police are, or whatever authoritative body is present at the time assuming you the parent are not (principal,teacher,etc). Each situation is different and cannot be summed up.
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Should discipline carry over into an online situation as well?
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My response would be no, unless the infraction was so severe that it warranted it. Though I can't imagine what that scenario would be but it would have to involve breaking the law.
Now don't get me wrong, things like this would deserve at least a lecture, but aside from that there are systems in place why compound it further?
And no I am not saying "let blizzard do my parenting" I am saying let the punishment fit the crime.
I always hated punishments like "You broke that window, you're grounded for a week" most of the time my parents would have the stance of "You broke that window, better start working it off, here's a list of chores you can do to start paying us back" there is no correlation between the punishment and the crime.
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So something like corpse camping could lead to violence at school etc.
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And I'll bett Doom2 led to columbine. (I forget which alleged video game was the one they mentioned). I think the exact OPPOSITE of what you said will be more likely to happen, A kid will start doing things like corpse camping due to BEING treated poorly at school.
*Important Edit* This is all under the pretense that the child is admitting they did wrong and expresses some remorse. IF the child is "having fun" doing these actions and does so repeatedly that is an entirely different ballgame and would probably result in immediate removal from the game.
Edited, Tue Feb 28 14:04:41 2006 by TseTsuo
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If you're a parent who plays WoW with their child(ren), and they do something in-game (harassment, cheating, etc) that gets them in trouble, would you go further to discipline them for essentially violating a set rule?
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First off this is a video game, so lets not pretend that whatever happens in the game has some kind of severe life altering impact on anyone. The game sets rules and enforces them, if you break the rules you get the punishment. What need is there to punish further? It would be smart to maybe explain to the child more precisely what they did, and how it was wrong. But to add further punishment seems unnecessary, "You stole that mage's kill, you're grounded for a week"
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You'd discipline your child for cheating in a sport
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They would be taught from the beginning not to cheat, and if they did cheat they would deal with the consequences of their actions in the game by either being warned by a referee or ejected from the game. "I saw you trip that kid timmy, you're grounded for a week".
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Just as you'd discipline them for cursing out a peer,an elder, or a younger child.
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This is a little different as their is no governing body over "life". One could argue the police are, or whatever authoritative body is present at the time assuming you the parent are not (principal,teacher,etc). Each situation is different and cannot be summed up.
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My response would be no, unless the infraction was so severe that it warranted it. Though I can't imagine what that scenario would be but it would have to involve breaking the law.
Now don't get me wrong, things like this would deserve at least a lecture, but aside from that there are systems in place why compound it further?
And no I am not saying "let blizzard do my parenting" I am saying let the punishment fit the crime.
I always hated punishments like "You broke that window, you're grounded for a week" most of the time my parents would have the stance of "You broke that window, better start working it off, here's a list of chores you can do to start paying us back" there is no correlation between the punishment and the crime.
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So something like corpse camping could lead to violence at school etc.
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And I'll bett Doom2 led to columbine. (I forget which alleged video game was the one they mentioned). I think the exact OPPOSITE of what you said will be more likely to happen, A kid will start doing things like corpse camping due to BEING treated poorly at school.
*Important Edit* This is all under the pretense that the child is admitting they did wrong and expresses some remorse. IF the child is "having fun" doing these actions and does so repeatedly that is an entirely different ballgame and would probably result in immediate removal from the game.
Edited, Tue Feb 28 14:04:41 2006 by TseTsuo
You could probably say that my comment was made under the same pretense as the rest of yours. What I was trying to get at is the "having fun" part.
Did DOOM or any other games lead to Colombine, no, troubled kids witha key to granadpa's gunsafe are the "cause" of Colombine. I meant to suggest that behavior like that, in general it can be a warning sign, especially in younger kids. A reason to keep an eye on them. Not that if you let your kids corpse camp someone they immediatly become an axe murderer.
It's not the act that condemns it but their reaction to it.
There are different kinds of discipline, not everyone uses grounding or time outs. When talking about kids, discipline just means a method to show them the consequenses of thier actions. Making a kid do chores to work off a broken window is just as valid a form of it as grounding, depending on the child, possibly more so. Lectures can be just as effective, in young children a parents disapproval is often more punishment than a time out or grounding. If you've heard my dad lecture, you'd know exactly how a lecture can count as discipline.
Teaching kids right from wrong, i.e. not to cheat, is good but parents aren't the sole influence on kids and past age 12 often not the most influential either. Eventually even young kids will test their boundries that's when they need parents to step in and show them that there are consequences for their actions.
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I have two little boys myself. (only 2 and 4 years old, respectively.) and they are expected to act a certain way wherever they are. If they were older and were playing WoW with me and did things I deemed inappropriate (such as some of the things listed.) they would have their playtime lessened for sure, as well as some added chores if the offense was ridiculous. Such as griefing and the like.
And heaven help them if I ever found them cybering or saying something in a derogatory fashion. They wouldn't be able to play for a great long while without me sitting behind them and looking over their shoulder.
Edited, Fri Mar 3 12:49:29 2006 by Umeko
And heaven help them if I ever found them cybering or saying something in a derogatory fashion. They wouldn't be able to play for a great long while without me sitting behind them and looking over their shoulder.
Edited, Fri Mar 3 12:49:29 2006 by Umeko
This is actually an incrdibly novel idea.
The reason people are so unrestrained on the internet is because they feel free consequences (and of course the anonymity factor, but that goes away a bit with community).
If children were punished for behaving badly online it would totally destroy that sense of freedom. If consequences to online actions worked just as they do with offline actions the gaming community as a whole would be incredibly altered.
I'm not sure if I agree with destroying such freedom, but I can see how hugely it impacts a game's social interactions.
The reason people are so unrestrained on the internet is because they feel free consequences (and of course the anonymity factor, but that goes away a bit with community).
If children were punished for behaving badly online it would totally destroy that sense of freedom. If consequences to online actions worked just as they do with offline actions the gaming community as a whole would be incredibly altered.
I'm not sure if I agree with destroying such freedom, but I can see how hugely it impacts a game's social interactions.
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Parental opinion: Set a standard for what you expect beforehand. When my step-son started playing I explained the community oriented guidelines. If he deviates from them he'll be disciplined, possibly by GMs, definitely by me. If the GMs suspend him, I'll match it.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with disciplining children for breaking rules. However, talking about parenting techniques and discipline on the internet is down right despicable. Good thing there's mature folks here, these talks get ugly even in real life, and you brought it to the land of arguing over the color of the sky? For shame.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with disciplining children for breaking rules. However, talking about parenting techniques and discipline on the internet is down right despicable. Good thing there's mature folks here, these talks get ugly even in real life, and you brought it to the land of arguing over the color of the sky? For shame.
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