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#1 May 13 2011 at 11:49 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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Once upon a time Strand was easy honor - if it came up in the random I cheered at the prospect of easy honor in just 5m or 12.5m depending on if Horde was on O or D - then something happened.

I have no clue what it was but Horde suddenly lost it's ability to even come close to winning - we were lucky to crack the yellow gate in most battles, while Allies now roll through while on O for a 2.5m win as if we weren't even fighting them.

As a plus point, WSG and AB have gone from Ally owned and 50/50 to Horde romp fests, again, no clue what's different to suddenly change the results.

Sadly, Battle of G is still firmly in Ally hands, although that's at least attributable to Horde's suicidal fascination with Windmill and total and utter refusal to focus on WW instead.

AV seems to favor Horde slightly over Allies, which is a swap from it favoring Allies slightly over Horde (around 60/40 win ratios).

Twin Peaks just doesn't want to queue for me and I haven't caught a x2 honor weekend on it in a while so no comment there.

EoS is a flip of the coin - either Horde dominates by chain capping the flag and/or three capping or Allies do the same - nothing remotely resembling a close fight - it's always all or nothing.

TB has shifted back to favoring the Horde as Allies just can't seem to give up their rolling zerg approach despite the last set of changes to it - Horde usually wins D 2/3 of the time and losing on O is the exception, not the norm.

All said, can't complain about the dynamics shifts, but they are puzzling as I never can seem to see any rhyme or reason behind most of them.
#2 May 15 2011 at 10:31 AM Rating: Default
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" WSG and AB have gone from Ally owned and 50/50 to Horde romp fests"


half the time ive queued up for wsg horde usually loses.but if this is a recent thing,i dont know.i havent pvped in a while and im thinkin about waitin until my mage gets ice barrier to pvp

im kinda itchin for some pvp though frost has always looked pretty strong in pvp.although now that i think about it,i need honor for the pvp heirlooms cuz im pretty much done with pugging heroics and normals for jp




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#3 May 16 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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rusttle wrote:
Battle of G is still firmly in Ally hands


Then why am I 0-7 there!!!! Smiley: mad

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#4 May 17 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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CrunkJuice7 wrote:
half the time ive queued up for wsg horde usually loses.

I just wanted to assert via this post that you're a douche bag for taking a sh*t on grammar.

It's either "half of the time" or "usually". It can't be both.
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#5 May 18 2011 at 12:06 AM Rating: Default
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Well, it could be a fraction of a fraction?
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#6 Jun 02 2011 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
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Well, it could be a fraction of a fraction?

"Usually" implies something happens a fair amount more than 50% of the time. "Half of the time" implies that it happens at exactly a 50% rate.

He could be trying to say "half of the time I queue up, Horde loses," or "usually when I queue up, Horde loses," or "when I queue up, Horde usually loses," etc., but to use two parts of speech denoting vastly different modes of frequency is just ridiculous.

It tends to reflect that he's not being specific in his data and is just resorting to hyperbole and his gut feelings when trying to talk about a topic that should have plenty of solid evidence.
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#7 Jun 02 2011 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Syntax aside, he's saying that WSG is an even split - half the time he wins, half the time he loses.

As for other people's luck in various BGs, well, mileage will vary by battle group, I'm just reporting mine.

I admit surprise at the lack of intellectual curiosity and theories as to what causes shifts in BG results though. For example, TB and Battle of G have obvious causes, both being a particular side refusing to evolve to the BG.

But the others have no mechanical nor tactical explanations - what causes one side or another to suddenly gain or lose standing in a BG when there are no noticeable changes?

For example, Strand - Allies went from n00b grade O and D to veteran PVPers with their side working in such a coordinated fashion I swear it's a pre-made half the time.

An equally perplexing question is what causes a side to suddenly abandon a working tactic in favor of a failing tactic?

Take AV for example - Allies used to have the edge due to a third of them holding the bunker and GY right at the choke point and the Horde mindlessly throwing themselves at them while the rest rolled in and owned the Horde base and leader in no time. Now though, the Horde is mostly given a free ride through the choke point, capping the bunker in record time and owning the GY the whole match.

Ally base defense is also near non-existent now as well - just a few stealthers desperately trying to stop the cap of the two bunkers and occasionally ninjaing the cemetery at the mine, thus effectively giving the Horde a free ride there too.

So why the sudden changes?
#8 Jun 06 2011 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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rusttle wrote:
But the others have no mechanical nor tactical explanations - what causes one side or another to suddenly gain or lose standing in a BG when there are no noticeable changes?


The difficult thing is you have an disorganized, randomly-selected, ever-changing population of players each with their own agendas. For example some people are playing to 'win' the battle, some may be after achievements, some don't know what's going on, others are bots, etc. I rarely see the same people one BG to the next, and that's only when I'm doing something like farming AV late at night. So it's not like you could say any one person or group of people is doing things differently, since you likely have a entirely different group of players in each BG. Add in that no one tactic is going to be a sure win every time (really if there was a way for one side to win every time I see Blizz nerfing it somehow), and random stuff looks pretty random.

Anyway, it's difficult to talk about any perceived changes with as little information as we have access to anyway. I'm not certain I even see enough of the picture to speculate much.
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