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#1 Mar 15 2011 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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How many do we have now?
WSG, AB, AV, EotS, SotA, IoC, TP and BfG
And we really only have 3 different types of fights:
Capture the flag (WSG, TP), Capture bases (AB, BfG) and kill the enemy general/capture the fort (SotA, IoC, AV). with EotS being a mix between the first two.

What I think should be done is changing the BG's to be 1 of 3 types and allowing people to queue up fpr Capture the flag, Capture the base or kill the general and have the BG's just be maps for those types so we won't end up with half a million different battlegrounds that all vary just a tiny bit from each other.

Of course, EotS would have to be changed for that but just change where the flag is to a fifth base and that problem is solved (Also, widen the **** thing so you won't be knocked off all the @#%^ing time).
SotA should just be dumped, it's a retarded BG and the format is boring.
IoC and AV should be changed to work as a battle of attrition, where losing your general doesn't mean instant loss but where it's always about the number of reinforcements left, a.k.a. a deathmatch of sorts.
So then we'd be left with capture the flag, king of the hill and large scale deathmatch and various maps for each of those types of BG's (and 10v10, 15v15 and 25v25?). Plus there's always the possibility of adding one or more gimmicks to a map (vehicles, portals, giant goblin/gnome robots of doom?).



Ok, now you can tell me that my ideas are retarded and we'll devolve into shouting that class X is OP and class Y needs buffs.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 6:12pm by Aethien
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#2 Mar 15 2011 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
Some of the smaller ones I don't think should be "kill the general." The smaller maps would make it way too easy, people would just mad rush to the boss and it would be a simply dps race as to who won, pretty much run in in all pve gear and hope you kill him first.

I do like CTF, and King of the Hill.

I think a DM would be really fun, well a team DM, basically take an open field with maybe some los and give people like 50 kills. First team to get 50 kills wins. I think a lot of people would enjoy that over some of the strategy ones. Though I'm sure you could throw in some creative ways to lengthen the match or provide some pick up buffs and stuff that helped your team or something.

Though I really don't bg all that much, frankly I don't like that they last so long, though I will specifically queue for AV simply because I like making my e-peen bigger because I can sit back and go like 30-0 in KB/deaths.
#3 Mar 15 2011 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:

What I think should be done is changing the BG's to be 1 of 3 types and allowing people to queue up fpr Capture the flag, Capture the base or kill the general and have the BG's just be maps for those types so we won't end up with half a million different battlegrounds that all vary just a tiny bit from each other.


I love this idea. The only downside I see is for people grinding for Conqueror or the Alliance equivalent. Plus getting the flag out of EoTS would save me so much ire and hatred toward people who relentlessly focus on it when we have 1 base.
#4 Mar 15 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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@Hyolith (Not quoting to avoid wall of text)
What I meant was making WSG and TP maps for capture the flag, AB, EotS and BfG maps for king of the hill and AV and IoC maps for battlefield (Think AV only the general is basically another tower which costs you reinforcements if he dies)

In the case of the battlefield type of game there are so many different possibilities for maps because you could replace towers by generals/luitenants or by resource hubs that provide a stream of friendly npc's who help you kill the other army or something like that.

teacake wrote:
The only downside I see is for people grinding for Conqueror or the Alliance equivalent.
I have to admit that I hadn't considered this yet but I think it should be possible to change the achievements (and only 3 categories instead of the 8 we have now for BG's).
Some might have to be removed but for those, new ones could be added.
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#5 Mar 15 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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You sir, are an idiot.

I like EotS the best the way it currently set up.
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#6 Mar 15 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm surprised there's still no DOTA style BG.

Obviously there's a lot of things that'd need to change, and DOTA is different in that you can see where all your enemies are if they are within an ally's sight range, but there are even fixes to this.

The main concern would be time - people lose interest in BGs if they take more than 20 minutes, so it would have to be worthwhile or be shortened. The thing I do like about this style of map is that real teamwork is necessary because the players are not all that strong in comparison to the NPCs and automated defenses.

It's something that WOW hasn't even touched. I think it would be very cool, especially considered it'd be another type added in the mix so your exposure to it would be limited and optional.
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