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#1 Nov 22 2010 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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To start this off I'm currently in the 50-59 bracket as a 58 disc priest. Now I know we are not suppose to be doing any real press button other player dies **** but I would like to think that smite a 2 second cast time spell would be doing a lot more then 200 damage on average to other people. I mean when you think about most classes that have spells with long cast times usually do far more damage then 200 at that level. Maybe blizzard just doesn't see it that way or maybe my gear is just that bad that 200 is all I can get for my money. Please can anyone else put their input that also have priest in this bracket. I just want to see if its me or the class.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 7:57am by bigmantooL

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 7:57am by bigmantooL
#2 Nov 22 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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Penance is primarily a healing spell, and does much more in healing than in damage.

For damage you should be looking at Mind Blast/Shadow Word: Death/Smite/Holy fire depending on spec/glyphs.
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#3 Nov 22 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Well Once again it might just be disc spec is not really meant to dps targets.Compared to other class damaging spells I feel like for the cast time that it takes the spells should be hitting harder then they actually are. I bring this up only because healing at this level in bgs is a joke. Most melee classes take maybe 3 seconds to take me down so healing is not really what I'm looking to do and then on top of that my dps spells are really weak compared to most. If this is how it's going to be then I must warn all priest to just stay out of bgs at this level unless you just like the gy. Really just wondering how other priest at this level are doing.
#4 Nov 22 2010 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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Gear is very important in wow. It can make or break the game for you. As a healer, you have to rely on your teammates gear as well.

Low level bg balance is not a priority for blizzard. If you want balanced pvp then your best bet is to start gaining those levels and get to 85 as quickly as you possibly can.

Diascipline priest is the most offensive of all healers FYI.
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#5 Nov 22 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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Are you shielded? have Renew on yourself? PoM? Inner Fire?

If you are only lasting 3 seconds when focused, you're doing something wrong.

Don't try to go 1-on-1 with anyone, ever. Scream, run, heal, kite. Drop a DOT and maybe a Penance, but otherwise just keep yourself alive until a teammate peels them off you. Healers are not intended to be able to take down DPS, generally speaking. I leveled my priest almost entirely via BGs (25k HKs) and aside from the occasional terribad key-turner (being able to melee a rogue down is hilarious), you're just not going to have the firepower to kill like a dedicated DPS spec will. DOT, Mind Blast, keep moving and wear them down or hope for a peel. But keep yourself alive!

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#6 Nov 22 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
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well from what I have got in responses it makes sense now. I really try not to go 1 v 1 against people but even with my shield and renew on im not lasting long at all. I guess ill just skip trying to level in bgs and just move on to outlands. Once again Blizzard just hates healers and this is just another example of it. Lol us healers must be crazy to level one to 80 or 85 very soon. thanks though for the replies
#7 Nov 22 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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From what i remember of lv 40-60 disc pvp i was obliterating people 1v1, admittedly in full heirlooms and blue dungeon/BG gear. I guess the fact you can't have hybrid specs anymore really killed smite damage though (since a lot of the relevant talents were in holy).

edit: 1v1 i would pre-shield and renew myself (and prayer of mending if i had it by then) dot the target and fear them to bait a trinket. If they were stuck in the fear then blast them with holy fire > smite times 3 shadow word death. Use mind control and mind blast to bait lockout abilities allowing you to hard cast heals etc etc. Reflective shield helps a lot too! Mind control is really underestimated, you can use it to move melees somewhere they can't reach you from, hurl them off cliffs or just let dots tick for lots of damage.



Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 11:49am by ArtemisEnteri
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#8 Nov 22 2010 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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Once again Blizzard just hates healers and this is just another example of it.

That's just dumb.

In every bracket I didn't have issues surviving 1v1 situations regularly. Actually the only spec I can last longer with is a dedicated pvp resto druid. You are doing something wrong. PvP isn't just standing there and blasting. You need to control and out-think your opponents. The whole point of PvP healing is being able to outlast incoming damage while also keeping your friends up.

DOT, fear and run away from melee. Mana burn and line of sight casters. Use dispels intelligently. Don't just stand there and expect to survive.

A well-played disco is a BG powerhouse. It just take practice. Good luck.
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#9 Nov 22 2010 at 6:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm a priest. I've never been this hard to kill. Sorry if this is harsh, but a comment like "Blizzard hates healers" really calls for nothing less: urdoinitrong.

As others have noted: shield/renew on yourself at all times. Shield is weaker than it once was but it's still your best friend. You'll get PoM before too long, use that like an instant heal as well. Trinket (if you have one) and fear wisely. Pain Suppression glyph is a must.

If you really feel frustrated with Disc, it's perfectly viable to try Holy for PVP right now.
#10 Nov 22 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok here is an average example of what it is like for me in a wsg. I spawn at gy buff up, shield, and renew myself. Get on mount run to about that giant stump since im horde and then get 1 shotted by a rogue. Im really not sure how im suppose to defend myself against that.

If you have advice to this example please let me know im open ears here.

The main problem is really melee classes and my shield really not lasting long enough for me to be able to defend myself for any real chance at even calling in help,not like the even come at this level. Once again this is in the 50-59 bracket not 80.

This is not my first time running as a priest so i know how to handle 1 v 1 situations just it seems unfair that on a regular bases unless it flash heal or penance that is going to not happen because i will be dead before i get it off.

Im not saying the information yall are providing is wrong it just not what is happening to me. I also fully understand blizzard is not really focused on balancing this bracket either just wish it wasn't so unbalanced for us.
#11 Nov 22 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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bigmantooL wrote:
Ok here is an average example of what it is like for me in a wsg. I spawn at gy buff up, shield, and renew myself. Get on mount run to about that giant stump since im horde and then get 1 shotted by a rogue. Im really not sure how im suppose to defend myself against that.

If you have advice to this example please let me know im open ears here.


When you say "one shotted," do you mean genuinely killed in a single GCD? Or do you mean you're getting killed before you can get out of the stunlock and fight back?

If the former, then yeah, I don't know what advice to give you other than to level up, change specs, or do some twinking if you really want to do well in this bracket for the time being.

If the latter, do you have a.) Pain Suppression and b.) the glyph? If not, get both. You're already pre-shielding, which is good. Hit that Pain Suppression button as soon as you get stunned. That plus shield should get you out of the stun still alive. Don't ever trinket out of sap, save it for the kidney shot (Theo or others will have better advice about when to use your trinket vs. rogues).

Now you're out of the stun alive (even if just barely), immediately hit Psychic Scream. Heal up while he's running away. Even if he trinkets the fear, if you start running the other way as you're hitting Psychic Scream, you probably have time for at least one tick of Penance before he gets back to you. Keep moving, re-shield yourself, Renew, then stop and Penance/Flash Heal up when you can. If you haven't got time to get the heals off, use Power Infusion to speed them up.

At this point you're back to full health or nearly so, and shielded. You can DoT/SW:D/Smite him to death while staying shielded/healing yourself if he sticks around, but it's more likely that at this point he will just vanish and run away like a little girl, because the thing with rogues is, if they don't kill you in the first 3 GCD's, they aren't going to kill you at all. So you just need to figure out how to survive those 3.

If none of this is working for you, then I'd suggest for now speccing Holy and trying that. You'll miss Pain Suppression, but you'll have more panic buttons overall. Spec for Lightwell and you've got another heal you can hit while stunned. Do NOT spec for Revelations and you've got a second CC that is plenty long enough for you to heal up. Desperate Prayer cannot be cast while stunned but is another powerful instant. And your Renew is much more powerful.

Also, stop running off from the graveyard alone. Wait for a plate wearer to rez, then ride off with him, preferably toward the enemy flag room, where you will heal him while he carries it.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 9:15pm by teacake
#12 Nov 22 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well to answer you teacake I am getting killed before I can even get out of a stun, to me its only one shot but in reality it might be 2-3 seconds of time but i am stunned this entire time. Thank you for the hints though will try some of them out that if I do manage to live past the first stun.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 10:51pm by bigmantooL
#13 Nov 22 2010 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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bigmantooL wrote:
Well to answer you teacake I am getting killed before I can even get out of a stun, to me its only one shot but in reality it might be 2-3 seconds of time but i am stunned this entire time. Thank you for the hints though will try some of them out that if I do manage to live past the first stun.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 10:51pm by bigmantooL

"One-shotted" means that the rogue is killing you in a GCD.

That's not happening, so don't use the phrase.

"Stunlocked to death" would be more appropriate, and get a trinket, it'll help. Smiley: wink
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#14 Nov 23 2010 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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bigmantooL wrote:
Well to answer you teacake I am getting killed before I can even get out of a stun, to me its only one shot but in reality it might be 2-3 seconds of time but i am stunned this entire time. Thank you for the hints though will try some of them out that if I do manage to live past the first stun.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 10:51pm by bigmantooL

"One-shotted" means that the rogue is killing you in a GCD.

That's not happening, so don't use the phrase.

"Stunlocked to death" would be more appropriate, and get a trinket, it'll help. Smiley: wink


He means Ambush+poison+melee hits. I have a low 20s shammy, happens all the time until you get to the end of your bracket even then if the rogue has better gear it can still happen.

If the rogue actually uses CS as well you're done unless you trinket.

Ambush is seriously OP in low level PvP now.
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#15 Nov 23 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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From the Shattering patch notes:

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•The damage and healing done by players from levels 1-79 has been retuned, with the base points of almost all spells and abilities reduced. This was done to bring combat times at low levels to a more reasonable length. For most abilities that deal weapon damage, the weapon damage percent now rises per level until level 80, and starts at a lower percent.
#16 Nov 24 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Well did some more bgs and came to the conclusion that I just stopped doing disc for now and went shadow. I had a ton more fun and I managed to rock some people.
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