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#1 Oct 27 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Default
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I keep hearing how affliction locks and fire mages are the new terrors of the BGs but the thing that consistently slaughters all my toons across the board is those @#$% mage elementals.

So what's your new bane (other then having the GY rez not work 3-5 times in a row)?
#2 Oct 27 2010 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Really good arcane mages, really good PvE geared affliction locks (because even if I kill them, their dots still kill me unless cloak is up), 1700 resil disc priests because I can't kill them, and I generally 3 shot everybody else.

Rets, warriors, DKs, and hunters are all a joke. Same with most locks.

Then again, I'm that rogue that pops up behind you in full wrathful and gets you ****** off and going to the oboards to rant about how OP ambush is.
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#3 Oct 27 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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I'm smashing rogues and pretty much everything else; dunno about other rets. Then again i play like a cheap *******. 1600 resi, full self-healing talents so i can outlast anything. I'm even @#%^ing frost mages just by getting into range of the elemental or M.Images and building holy power to heal and spanking them from range with procced exorcism and avenging wrath auto-crit hammer of wraths (TM). All i do these days is solo molten core, zulgurub and do a few BGs to destroy people. And headless horseman runs too i guess.

When playing alts though, frost mages are pretty stupid. Good ones know how to exploit the current situation, and just freeze you at any opportunity and get a enormous ice lance crit before you can possibly dispel or escape it. ****, the 25 second cd pet freeze even gives you free fingers of frost procs to slam more huge ice lance crits even at unfrozen targets. I went into a few BGs to pocket-healer my friend who plays one, he had 5 times more killing blows than the next guy BG after BG. Instant spells shouldn't hit nearly as hard especially with that kind of uptime. He has enough haste for 4 ice lances per deep freeze too. If you haven't got trinket up, kiss your *** goodbye.

Nothing else really stands out, maybe druids. Ferals are doing sick damage, but luckily they are rare and those that do show up are pretty bad anyway. Feral is hard to play well. My feral can crit for over 9k with rip ticks on zero res targets, it's really stupid if you reforge full mastery. Feroious bites of nearly 30k too on cloth. He's fun to play in BGs like strand where you get good battles with horde and alliance all mixed together in one area. Haven't met a healer i couldn't destroy yet.

Edited, Oct 27th 2010 11:32pm by ArtemisEnteri
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#4 Oct 27 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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Also, apropos of nothing in particular, i heard that the sub mastery is gonna affect SnD and recup. I'm sure rogues will be able to enjoy some insane self-healing via improved recuperate + quickening + stacking mastery rating. If you escape, premed and heal to full in stealth.
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#5 Oct 27 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Also, apropos of nothing in particular, i heard that the sub mastery is gonna affect SnD and recup. I'm sure rogues will be able to enjoy some insane self-healing via improved recuperate + quickening + stacking mastery rating. If you escape, premed and heal to full in stealth.

Eh, the good rogues won't be running Quickening, most will run Imp Recup/Puncturing Wounds instead.

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#fMhcZbZfGccducoho:zMakMb
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#6 Oct 28 2010 at 12:30 AM Rating: Good
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Then again, I'm that rogue that pops up behind you in full wrathful and gets you ****** off and going to the oboards to rant about how OP ambush is.


'Full' wrathful, with a couple of relentless pieces, according to your armoury link. Just saying...
#7 Oct 28 2010 at 12:36 AM Rating: Good
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ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Also, apropos of nothing in particular, i heard that the sub mastery is gonna affect SnD and recup. I'm sure rogues will be able to enjoy some insane self-healing via improved recuperate + quickening + stacking mastery rating. If you escape, premed and heal to full in stealth.


Will greatly help Sub PvE. I like the change.
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#8 Oct 28 2010 at 12:46 AM Rating: Default
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jiggeryqua wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Then again, I'm that rogue that pops up behind you in full wrathful and gets you ****** off and going to the oboards to rant about how OP ambush is.


'Full' wrathful, with a couple of relentless pieces, according to your armoury link. Just saying...

Yes, literally 2 pieces of Relentless gear. I don't see your armory link with a better-geared character anywhere.

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#9 Oct 28 2010 at 6:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone is my bane these days. I can't even kill warriors one on one anymore and they used to be like tasty sandwiches for me. To be fair though, it's hard to tell how much of that is balance and how much is me just not being very good at my new spec yet. I suspect 20/80 with my skill being the 80. The 20 is the mages and locks who can still 2 shot me even with over 1400 resil (I also have 2 pieces of Relentless left).
#10 Oct 28 2010 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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On my newly dinged Shaman, every class is my bane.I get 2 shot no matter what.

Trying to gear, will hopefully be able to farm some decent gear this weekend.
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#11 Oct 28 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm smashing rogues and pretty much everything else; dunno about other rets. Then again i play like a cheap *******. 1600 resi, full self-healing talents so i can outlast anything. I'm even @#%^ing frost mages just by getting into range of the elemental or M.Images and building holy power to heal and spanking them from range with procced exorcism and avenging wrath auto-crit hammer of wraths (TM). All i do these days is solo molten core, zulgurub and do a few BGs to destroy people. And headless horseman runs too i guess.

:lol:

No offense meant Art, but you sound like the guy from the Old Spice commercial, wow edition. "Anybody can solo Molten Core when they smell like a ret pallie with 1600 resi!".

The last time I did BGs I had the most problems with Feral Druids. They are literally ridiculous. Imagine this scenario: we went into an AB 'pre-made' (7 or 8 guildies, rest PUGgers). Our social-rank resto shaman in somewhat lowish gear was guarding the farm alone. He yells for help on vent, and me (hateful geared rogue), our guild's resident retadin (who now has Shadowmourne), and our guild's resident warrior (I'm not sure if he does arenas, but he's sporting relentless with some wrathful pieces, I think) respond to the call.

We head down to the farm and arrive just in time to see our social shaman healer die. Our warrior bears down as I open up with a Cheap Shot. The druid, who is still in cat form, trinkets my KS and pops bear form at 60%. At this point, we fight on for literally about 25 seconds, after which we've got the druid on 20% hp. He pops his healing abilities and CDs, drops to 10% for a split second, but then starts outhealing all the damage we're throwing at him and slowly goes back up to 30%. At the same point, my Cheat Death procs, and I die a couple of seconds later.

About now, our social shaman has rezzed and arrives back at the battle, and heals up our warrior and retadin (which apperantly have both been hit down to 70% by Swipes/other AoE abilities), and after another ten seconds or so, they finally manage to down the druid.

Now I know I'm playing like an idiot after a year of roguelessness, then even moreso than now, and that I should've sprinted the **** out of there or popped some stuns, but... We had the drop on this guy in kitty form, and he managed to 100-0 me in bear form without dying, while a ret paladin and arms warrior were bearing down on him. Seriously?
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#12 Oct 29 2010 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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I'm guessing your ret was pve specced, with pvp healing talents he could have blasted 15k word of glories into you to keep you alive while the druid was slowly worn down. But with no healing, even pretty badly geared ferals can kill someone with rake and rip bleeds alone. They take a few seconds to apply, then just go bear form, survival instincts enraged regen. Guess who will live longer?
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#13 Nov 03 2010 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Holy Pallies are disgusting atm. I didn't realize how bad they were til i tried to kill one. I stood on one of the horde base towers in IoC and wailed on one watching his hp basically not move at all and his mana go up.

Normally killer combos like waiting for hand of light procs then using wings and hammer of wrath, stun, TV, TV hammer of wrath brought him pretty low then just instant casts to 100% again.
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#14 Nov 04 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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ArtemisEnteri wrote:
Holy Pallies are disgusting atm. I didn't realize how bad they were til i tried to kill one. I stood on one of the horde base towers in IoC and wailed on one watching his hp basically not move at all and his mana go up.

Normally killer combos like waiting for hand of light procs then using wings and hammer of wrath, stun, TV, TV hammer of wrath brought him pretty low then just instant casts to 100% again.


I had a gladiator ret RAGING on me in a duel because he couldnt kill me. He's such a **** but to be fair he's a better player then I am. I have never felt this powerful as holy before and I know they'll probably nerf it.

I'm playing frost mage, holy pally right now, bit of demo on my lock. Other then that havent really played my others. Nothing in particular that jumps out at me. Holy is probably the most powerful thing right now. Also my mage damage feels insanely high, I am blowing up healesr like resto druids in the blink of an eye. Where is this crit damage coming from? Even my instant fireballs I've seen crit for 9400 routinely. Feels like more FoF procs idk. I haven't even tried fire yet kind of itching to but havent been playing that much really.

Did some IoC on my mage, 28-2, top damage, 131 hks

Both times died to a feral. Routine stuff really. Lots of changes but I didnt even read them, so really it feels almost the same to me with increased damage and healing ;)

To be fair though I never died to rets 1v1 as holy, when both are equally skilled I just dont see how it can happen other then a ridiculous crit string timed with a HoJ interupt and bubble on CD but really holy has always had the advantage over ret in 1v1s. Not that holy can kill ret or anything, it was just an endless stalemate. But yeah I do feel more powerful then ever right now I was going to make a post about how holy is just nuts in BGs. Flash of light is so fast and crit heals for 19k? Lol. Yeah it costs alot of mana but a well timed FoL->HS = full health.

Edited, Nov 5th 2010 12:23am by mikelolol
#15 Nov 05 2010 at 6:31 AM Rating: Good
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I would expect to do enough damage that the paladin would eventually go oom, and then i would set up a large burst during divine plea. Most of the healing comes from free word of glories though so there is almost no need to use mana 1v1. The only class that comes close is frost mage really. Spamming icelance during deep freee then blanket counterspell might kill a holy pally except light of dawn can be used while silenced.

I had a stalemate duel against an arena master affliction lock where i managed to keep myself alive after being completely drained of mana because blessed life gave me holy power every two seconds from felhunter hits and dot applications. That's being nerfed to an 8 second internal cooldown i believe and protector of the innocent will only proc from healing others ( change i absolutely hate because it's a massive nerf to all the ret and prot soloing i've been doing lately. A 4k heal wont be op at 85).
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#16 Nov 05 2010 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah cant really OOM a holy pally right now, not that rets ever could because before we'd just melee for mana and divine plea when enemy burst is on CD.

I've always felt like holy pallies were an incredibly hard class to kill 1v1. Warlocks, maybe shadow priests were about the only ones I felt that had a chance before, even when holy pallies werent that OP. We have weaknesses but its not in 1v1. Probably the hardest spec in the game to kill 1v1, maybe the other healers come close as well, I know I can't kill a good resto shaman to save my life on any of my characters.

The funny thing on my mage lately, I've just been destroying resto druids in BGs which feels nice for a change. Usually I'm ganging up on them though, but still I can feel a difference in how they are now vs. how they used to be.

Mage burst is HIGH now. I cant really think of a tough one I've fought 1v1 but if I fought someone decent they could probably give my pally a good run for it.
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Being a holy paladin basically allows me to pvp without resilience. Only a few times have I seen myself die quickly and wish I had some. I cant imagine what it would be like in PvP gear. I did get crit for 29k by an Arcane Blast the other day, that was quite upsetting. And a Feral Druids dots are terrifyingly powerful.

I was in Alterac Valley yesterday and managed to double the second placed Healer on the meters, I done 3million total healing and only died twice. Considering Alliance only won that battleground with two reinforcements remaining, I think it is safe to say I made a difference.

I have been finding any class that applies DoTs is veyr powerful right now, shadow priests do alot of damage, but I can dispel all the DoTs with 2 dispels. Ferals are horrific because the dots are undispellable apart from my racial. Also I havent fought enough Ferals to learn the Icon for each of their abilities, I dont know which of these debuffs I should be panicking when I see on myself or a teammate.

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#18 Nov 05 2010 at 11:54 PM Rating: Default
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Being a holy paladin basically allows me to pvp without resilience.

Funny, I just destroyed a holy paladin in a shadow dance tonight.

Dance > Premed > 5 sec garrote silence > 6 sec KS > ambush > ambush > dead paladin > /mock.

PvPing without resilience is kinda dumb, tbh.
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#19 Jan 24 2011 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I just started a lowbie arcane goblin mage, and though I've got three heirlooms (shoulder, staff, chest), the general utility is excellent. With the rocket belt I get and extra blink or instant damage spell every couple minutes, and there's a LOT of instant casts that let me keep moving and doing damage.

Good rogues can cause me problems, and I have difficulty with paladins, but generally I seem to be more bane than baned.

Granted, I'm only lvl 21, so this might all change soon, I dunno.
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#20 Jan 24 2011 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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As a pretty solid holy pally, nothing really kills me with consistency. I work on my 1v2 skills see how long I can stay alive through rogue stunlocking me while a mage is freecasting. Learn the "perfect" insta heal rotations then go for a juke then heal or pop cooldowns to stay alive as long as I can.

Really most battlegrounds I don't die at all.
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The last time I did BGs I had the most problems with Feral Druids. They are literally ridiculous. Imagine this scenario: we went into an AB 'pre-made' (7 or 8 guildies, rest PUGgers). Our social-rank resto shaman in somewhat lowish gear was guarding the farm alone. He yells for help on vent, and me (hateful geared rogue), our guild's resident retadin (who now has Shadowmourne), and our guild's resident warrior (I'm not sure if he does arenas, but he's sporting relentless with some wrathful pieces, I think) respond to the call.

We head down to the farm and arrive just in time to see our social shaman healer die. Our warrior bears down as I open up with a Cheap Shot. The druid, who is still in cat form, trinkets my KS and pops bear form at 60%. At this point, we fight on for literally about 25 seconds, after which we've got the druid on 20% hp. He pops his healing abilities and CDs, drops to 10% for a split second, but then starts outhealing all the damage we're throwing at him and slowly goes back up to 30%. At the same point, my Cheat Death procs, and I die a couple of seconds later.

About now, our social shaman has rezzed and arrives back at the battle, and heals up our warrior and retadin (which apperantly have both been hit down to 70% by Swipes/other AoE abilities), and after another ten seconds or so, they finally manage to down the druid.

Now I know I'm playing like an idiot after a year of roguelessness, then even moreso than now, and that I should've sprinted the **** out of there or popped some stuns, but... We had the drop on this guy in kitty form, and he managed to 100-0 me in bear form without dying, while a ret paladin and arms warrior were bearing down on him. Seriously?


Thanks for the nerfs, Moz.

Being useless in PvE feels good now.

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