Here's why I can't wait for rated BGs...Follow

Keep practicing. Also if you start your phrase with "You guys are bad" it doesn't help.

The good thing is nobody is stopping you to do your own premade.

This is currently why I hate playing BG's on my battlegroup. Horde seems to get steamrolled in everything we play. People won't defend flag/bases is pretty much the biggest reason we lose.

I hope that rated bg's weed out those people who don't actually play and allow for at least some hard fought games.

I get what you say. But I only call people bads after they have played so bad that they had already made winning impossible.

And when I said I "yell" on /bg which gate needs defense I really mean I say something like "purple", "inc purple", "2 demos inc purple" or "purple needs help fast", and I sometimes type the color in caps.

I just played a Eye of the Storm where we had only 1 node and everyone was throwing themselves to mid field to fight alliance that were on the roads. And I just walked to a node all alone and uncapped it because it was completely unguarded, from the unguarded node I was capping I was also seeing that the other node was unguarded too. I called it on BG chat, I said that those nodes were unguarded and that I needed help for holding the node. And yes, I said it politely, I don't like to waste time typing because I can get killed for typing too much, I said something along the lines of "need help fr, be unguarded too, fast pls".

I didn't get any help, nobody went to the unguarded node, and shortly after the node I was capping turned neutral a group composed of disc priest, rogue, dk, and a mage came to recover it and I was completely alone.

In that situation, I am standing on an easy unguarded node, and 14 people on my team KNOW that I'm there capping it, and that there is also another node that would be easy to cap, and their choice of action is to continue rushing to middle.

I pretty much take that as my team saying "We aren't going to do sh*t to win so if you're trying to win you're @#%^ed" which is when I go negative mode and stop fighting myself and take the time to type fully coherent sentences describing how terrible they are and telling them why they are making the team lose.



Yeah, I've done that, but at the moment there isn't much of a point in doing premades unless you want to do achieves or grind the rep.

In terms of honor or arena points it's faster to queue as random than to organize a premade, specially if it isn't bg weekend for a 10-man or 15-man bg.


Edited, Oct 8th 2010 3:16am by xorq

I remember once when I was on a lowbie, was doing WSG.

We were down 2-0 with 7 minutes remaining. Both flags had been grabbed, both flags being contained at their respective graveyards. Our team couldn't comprehend "go get our flag back." That to them I guess meant "lets go farm honor in the middle." Now occasionally some people would attack our flag carrier but we had hope for about 2 minutes. After that we told the flag carrier to drop it. He wouldn't, everyone by him just let the rogues and druids come in to try and kill him, they couldn't. So we had to sit there for 5 minutes wasting time just to get our 1 mark because of some stubborn ******* yelling at people and telling us that we suck.

Ever got so tired of your teammates being so bad that you wanted to retaliate in response?

And do note that I don't even worry about people lacking gear or even lacking PvP skill so much. When I say bad I strictly mean they are not even attempting to win the objective.

In shooter games you have the benefit that you can switch teams. If I do everything to help my team win, and they just completely ***** up, I can retaliate by switching teams and farming them with extreme prejudice.

To make sure I get my point across, I engage on my highly diplomatic communication skills by delivering phrases with very nice morale modifiers, like "I told you to help me get the flag, now lets see if you can get it with me defending it" or "Every point your team has, was scored by me, now I'm on the other team making sure you don't score any, try harder". This usually results in them getting mad at me, trying harder at least against me, learning to be less fail, and becoming less frustrating teammates to have the next round, either that or extremely humiliating scoreboard results which is equally satisfactory.

In WSG, you can't switch teams. The only way to retaliate that I have found is to defend my own flag and, making use of my higly diplomatic communcation skills, present my teammates with morale modifying phrases like "I will defend this flag as long as I can, and if you're bad, I hope you're getting farmed with extreme prejudice for every minute of it".

Personally, I completely preffer the option on shooter games because I don't like acting against my own team, I am more comfortable with switching teams.

Edited, Oct 8th 2010 5:18pm by xorq

Eh, the game I was referring to, 8/10 of the Horde players were camping the middle; only the shaman and I were going for the flag.

It really depends. I have a decent amount of resilience, and the shaman was resto and a pretty good healer, so between us it wasn't too hard to cap.

Yeah, my guild is the biggest PvP guild on Draka, we do random BG groups all the time. At times we've had 4-5 groups going.

It's pretty nice when you have over 100 active PvPers in one guild, even if most have barely seen 1800 if that.

Problem with BGs is that you get a better reward for killing other players then you do for achieving objectives.

I can't begin to count the number of times where I've racked up objectives and then at the end, see that some idiot who spent his entire time GY camping, fighting mid-field and doing other stuff that didn't contribute had way more bonus honor.

You want BGs cleaned up then Blizz is going to have to give the real rewards for capping and taking objectives and less bonus honor for killing.

Honestly I don't see that working out very well. I can see a lot of people then actually staying and defending, and not actually wanting to do any work. If you stay and say defend AV, or something you can sit there and do absolutely nothing and get the same amount of honor as all the other people trying to cap whatever and win the game.

With rated battlegrounds we probably won't see a lot of honor farming unless the team has got it on lock down. People won't want to lose and hopefully the competent people will be the ones playing.

I understand that defense is a good thing. But in a battle like AV it takes awhile before the opposite faction gets to your base. If there is no incentive to actually go out there and kill people then it just won't happen. The incentive for going on O is because you usually get more HK's therefore more honor. But if the honor is split amongst everyone then no one is going to want to do much work on O because it won't make too much of a difference.

In WSG I always try and stay and defend flag, but part of defending is that you don't get as many HK's as people out there trying to take the flag. I know they tried to combat that by saying you get 50% more honor if you are defending, but in WSG with only 10 players theren't not too terribly many HK's happening in the flag room. So in that case it probably would be better for the defender to get the same as the people on O.

So I don't know, in the end I don't think it would work out too well, some people could just sit back and do nothing and get the same honor as the people doing something.

No. There really is no real reason why you should distribute honor differently to different teammates in a teamwork effort.

It would be like distributing arena points unevenly to different team members in an Arena team. Or distrubuting XP, gold, badges, points, unevenly to different teammates in a Dungeon group or raid.



No, AV does not work the way you describe. Both factions reach each other's boss within less than 100 seconds from the moment the battle starts, and the ones on offensive get almost no HKs. If you wanted to farm HKs at AV you'd have to turtle.

Also, if you're trying to win AV by doing HKs you're doing it wrong. Even if it comes down to reinforcements, towers are worth 75 reinforcements, captains are worth 100, HKs are worth 1 (ONE).

As for Warsong, you're wrong there too, the people actually running the flag don't get as many HKs, and probably aren't even doing that much damage as it's tons more efficient to sheep someone so that he can't chase than to dps him down while he's hitting the FC. The ones getting the HKs are the ones farming HKs, they are also the ones being retards and breaking all the sheeps, blinds gouges and saps you did to help the FC run away, and if you're lacking heals, that gets your FC killed.



Edited, Oct 11th 2010 2:05pm by xorq

There isn't a single BG where individually getting more honor than teammates from HKs is an incentive that leads to winning.

- In AB it's an incentive to farm kills in the roads, which makes you lose.
- In WSG it's an incentive to farm kills midfield or at the enemy gy, which makes you lose.
- In EOTS it's an incentive to rush mid instead of grabbing nodes, which makes you lose.
- In Strand, it's an incentive to farm kills at the beach or spawn instead of focusing on defending/damaging gates and defending/capping gys, which makes you lose.
- At AV, even if you win by reinforcements, reinforcements battles are almost always won by the towers and not by the HKs. And that only happens if you turtle the game.
- At isle, if you're farming random kills midfield, you're doing it wrong, because what your team needs to destroy fast is the enemy gates.

And you also haven't provided any actual reason why in a teamwork effort any needed role should be more rewarded than any of the other needed roles. And keep in mind that individual extra honor for HKs currently gives extra reward to an unneeded role, to the guy making your team lose.



The need to do those things does not exist. The boss can be 5-manned in ICC gear without taking any graveyard or bunker and without any PvP action. I know, it's sad.



But that doesn't matter, the guy being FC is the one not doing it for HKs, the ones looking for HKs will not even run the flag at all, and very often they will do nothing to protect the FC. And in some cases, it is them who get the FC killed.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 4:43pm by xorq

That's pretty much what happens in all the WSG games I play. More often than not. Our FC will run RIGHT past their FC, won't even touch each other. Our defenders won't even touch their FC. Then you both sit there, wait for the FC's to become vulnerable and pray your team can actually kill the other FC and return the flag by extreme luck.