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#27 Sep 13 2010 at 1:04 AM Rating: Good
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Thoughts on rated Battlegrounds are mixed. Getting the ratings and points will allow me to get PvP weapons, but at the same time it seems like doing Battlegrounds will be desirable for the crazy PvP guys, so I might just end up getting facestomped by premades all day long. Which is just not fun.

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Mazra wrote:
Thoughts on rated Battlegrounds are mixed. Getting the ratings and points will allow me to get PvP weapons, but at the same time it seems like doing Battlegrounds will be desirable for the crazy PvP guys, so I might just end up getting facestomped by premades all day long. Which is just not fun.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 9:05am by Mazra
Rated battlegrounds will be owned by premade twinks, get ready to eat dirt if you are casual. WSG is calling us (twinks) for fun time again.
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#29 Sep 13 2010 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm under the impression that rated battlegrounds are only available at max level, so I'm not sure what you're saying. Premade groups will of course do better then a randomly put together group.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 9:09am by Xsarus
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#30 Sep 13 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Rated battlegrounds are only available as premades; you won't face a premade unless you're in one too. You can also just choose to do battlegrounds the old fashioned way, for honor only, whenever you want, as an individual or a group, same as you can today. I'm thinking it'll probably make sense to get the honor gear first so as to build up a little resil before trying the rated ones.
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I'm under the impression that rated battlegrounds are only available at max level, so I'm not sure what you're saying. Premade groups will of course do better then a randomly put together group. I think that you can't actually make a completely premade group for rated battlegrounds, but I could be wrong about it.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 9:06am by Xsarus
The twink premades dealt a big loss when the split between gaining and non-experience gaining, the queue time was insane. The fact that is a lvl 85 only is irrelevant for old school twinks (we do have high level toons), be sure that twink guilds from all server will dominates BG’s, they have the players, experience, they know the strategy and how to win.

This rated Battleground is very exciting with those titles, instant queue and mounts...Sign me up!
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#32 Sep 13 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
It's not really twinking when you're at max level. PvP centric guilds who can field consistent teams will win. It really has nothing to do with twinking.

Also teacake is right, and it confirms what I thought but wasn't sure about.

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In order to participate in rated Battlegrounds, players will be required to join battles as full groups. However these groups do not need to be committed teams as in the Arena system; rather, the group simply needs to have the required amount of players for whichever Battleground they’re entering. As an example, one would need to join the queue as a group for Warsong Gulch with any nine additional players to qualify for a rating.


Consistent groups will of course do the best, although that's like saying water is wet.

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#33 Sep 13 2010 at 9:33 AM Rating: Default
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
It's not really twinking when you're at max level. PvP centric guilds who can field consistent teams will win. It really has nothing to do with twinking.
Consistent groups will of course do the best, although that's like saying water is wet.

Edited, Sep 13th 2010 9:59am by Xsarus


I was referring more about the twink as a community, BG's specialists, organized groups with lots of experiences. Of courses, expect them to be full PVP geared with the best enchants.

A regular PVP guild and a twink guild don't have the same standard, just like raiding guild. Regular PVP guild tends to be more casual but twinks will have sign up and you need to earn your spot.
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#34 Sep 13 2010 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
ah, I see what you're saying.

I'm not sure I agree. For one, a twink battleground is a completely different game then end game battlegrounds, even more so in cata just because balance, hp, abilities etc are all changing. You play the game very differently at 20 then you will at 85.

I'm not really aware of these super high standard twink guilds that you're saying exist, but honestly, the reason people twink, if you're being charitable, is to avoid constantly upgrading gear. End game progression isn't going to be attractive to these people.

I'd imagine the most realistic scenario is that new pvp guilds will be created that will be slightly more focused then in the past.
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So I need a 25-man premade to do rated Alterac Valley? Smiley: dubious

And yeah, it confirmed my fear. At least you can't lose your rating, so I suppose I'll eventually get high enough to get those PvP items. Getting roflstomped by premades was one of the things I didn't miss from Vanilla PvP.
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Mazra wrote:
So I need a 25-man premade to do rated Alterac Valley? Smiley: dubious


40 innit?

And, yes. Get ready for "2 - LF12M AV need DPS and healz min GS 9000 wave at Dal ports for gear check no scrubs plz"
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
ah, I see what you're saying.

I'm not sure I agree. For one, a twink battleground is a completely different game then end game battlegrounds, even more so in cata just because balance, hp, abilities etc are all changing. You play the game very differently at 20 then you will at 85.

I'm not really aware of these super high standard twink guilds that you're saying exist,

I'd imagine the most realistic scenario is that new pvp guilds will be created that will be slightly more focused then in the past.
  • http://www.wowwiki.com/Twink_guilds
  • Exactly, these specialized guilds will be a good alternative to raiding, premades PVP is always fun. Titles and ratings will attract lots of players.
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    #38 Sep 13 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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    40 innit?
    They changed it to 25 for cata.
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    #39 Sep 13 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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    teacake wrote:
    Mazra wrote:
    So I need a 25-man premade to do rated Alterac Valley? Smiley: dubious


    40 innit?

    And, yes. Get ready for "2 - LF12M AV need DPS and healz min GS 9000 wave at Dal ports for gear check no scrubs plz"


    25!
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    teacake wrote:
    Mazra wrote:
    So I need a 25-man premade to do rated Alterac Valley? Smiley: dubious


    40 innit?

    And, yes. Get ready for "2 - LF12M AV need DPS and healz min GS 9000 wave at Dal ports for gear check no scrubs plz"


    As mentioned they're changing it to 25 in Cata (it'll be so empty in AV), but I'm looking forward to the Trade spam.

    My all-time favorite is "LFM 2 HEAL PALLA SHAMAN WARLOCK AND RANGED LAST SPOT!!! BRING 5900 GS BE BRAINED NO REQ" which I saw one day in Trade. I lost a little bit of hope for humanity right there.
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    Mazra wrote:
    As mentioned they're changing it to 25 in Cata


    No! Wai!

    I knew I had to be missing something there.
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    I'm excited for rated BGs.

    Sorry you have GS retards on your server. I uninstalled it months ago and force people to find me in Dal to join groups that I put together.
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    Sir Xsarus wrote:
    It's not really twinking when you're at max level. PvP centric guilds who can field consistent teams will win. It really has nothing to do with twinking.
    Consistent groups will of course do the best, although that's like saying water is wet.

    Edited, Sep 13th 2010 9:59am by Xsarus


    I was referring more about the twink as a community, BG's specialists, organized groups with lots of experiences. Of courses, expect them to be full PVP geared with the best enchants.

    A regular PVP guild and a twink guild don't have the same standard, just like raiding guild. Regular PVP guild tends to be more casual but twinks will have sign up and you need to earn your spot.

    Twinks aren't as skilled as arena players, I can promise that. Arena players have the elite playing for money, not twinks.

    Arena is the basics of group PvP; where BGs are slightly more complicated, everyone has been doing them for years now, longer than we've been doing arena.

    Thinking that twinks and twink guilds will be the best at 85 makes me laugh, honestly. 90% of twinks I've seen are decent players, but nothing special. Superior gear and being in a group means that you don't really need much skill as a player to win.

    Let's put it this way: I don't see a lot of twinks practicing their death coil vanishes, instant blinds on trinket, etc, where top arena players practice that stuff. To think that organization matters more than skill in PvP is pretty funny, really.
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    Overlord Theophany wrote:

    Let's put it this way: I don't see a lot of twinks practicing their death coil vanishes, instant blinds on trinket, etc, where top arena players practice that stuff. To think that organization matters more than skill in PvP is pretty funny, really.
    We are talking BG'S here not arena, organization is the key. Thinking skill matter more is stupid, lost plenty of battles with Richard’s full of skills wanting to save the day. 2200 arena rating won't win you a 40 man BG, organization will.

    Do you really think you are a top arena player? what's your actual rating? i'm curious.
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    RAWDEAL wrote:
    Overlord Theophany wrote:

    Let's put it this way: I don't see a lot of twinks practicing their death coil vanishes, instant blinds on trinket, etc, where top arena players practice that stuff. To think that organization matters more than skill in PvP is pretty funny, really.
    We are talking BG'S here not arena, organization is the key. Thinking skill matter more is stupid, lost plenty of battles with Richard’s full of skills wanting to save the day. 2200 arena rating won't win you a 40 man BG, organization will.

    Do you really think you are a top arena player? what's your actual rating? i'm curious.


    me!

    OK. My views.

    You seem to think arena players will suck at organisations... Let me tell you this. They won't!

    The arena players will have better skill and just as good organisation, if not better.

    There was no motivation to do BGs(Edit:competitively, you just afk'd them for offsets) before, and now that they will be rewarding people for the effort, I bet you those arena players will be whooping your *** come rated bgs.

    Edited, Sep 13th 2010 6:09pm by devzzz
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    RAWDEAL wrote:
    Overlord Theophany wrote:
    Let's put it this way: I don't see a lot of twinks practicing their death coil vanishes, instant blinds on trinket, etc, where top arena players practice that stuff. To think that organization matters more than skill in PvP is pretty funny, really.
    We are talking BG'S here not arena, organization is the key. Thinking skill matter more is stupid, lost plenty of battles with Richard’s full of skills wanting to save the day. 2200 arena rating won't win you a 40 man BG, organization will.

    Do you really think you are a top arena player? what's your actual rating? i'm curious.

    You think that 5v5 teams don't have organization? Try playing against some.

    My armory is in my sig. Feel free to check any time you want. I've not been playing arena for anything more than weekly points since S6 when I did a rogue/rogue 2s team and got to 1855 in 50 games played. I then quit until about a month ago.

    PuG BGs with skilled players is one thing, but every single BG I played with just my 5s team in TBC we steamrolled literally every other premade we played against, to the tune of 5 capping 2000-0 ABs, 4 capping 2000-0 EotS, 3-0 5-6 min WSGs, etc.

    We were only like a 1900-2k rated 5v5 btw (though that we got that high was amazing as warrior/rogue/feral/hunter/holydin); imagine what 5v5 teams that are like 2800 rated right now would do.

    I agree with you that organization is more important than skill alone, but since rated BGs require organization to even get in, what makes you think that unskilled twinks are going to be better than those of us that are in the top 5-10% of arena players in the world and have the reaction times to do the skills I mentioned?

    And yes, I called twinks unskilled. If they were skilled, I wouldn't be able to beat them easily on a rogue twink.
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    devzzz, how do you have Relentless weapons with a personal rating of 240?

    I thought you needed 1800-2200 ratings to get that stuff?
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    Mazra wrote:
    devzzz, how do you have Relentless weapons with a personal rating of 240?

    I thought you needed 1800-2200 ratings to get that stuff?


    Once you hit 2.2k you can get the t2(which I have from last season). After that the item doesn't go away even if you lose the rating.
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    Mazra wrote:
    devzzz, how do you have Relentless weapons with a personal rating of 240?

    I thought you needed 1800-2200 ratings to get that stuff?

    Same way I have a Furious weapon.

    Relentless was last season's title. This season is Wrathful. Smiley: wink
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    Oh, right, Wrathful is the current. I keep mixing Relentless and Wrathful up because the EoF gear is Relentless (spending all my valuable emblems on outdated crap, grrr).

    Meh, with Cata around the corner I can't be ***** getting the gold so I can have someone piggyback me through to 1800.
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    Mazra wrote:
    Meh, with Cata around the corner I can't be ***** getting the gold so I can have someone piggyback me through to 1800.


    Keep the gold. You will be able to buy a better weapon for less goal from a blacksmith in cata. **** they are saying the 2 hander is better than the orange everybody is runnning around with...

    Edited, Sep 13th 2010 9:05pm by devzzz
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