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#1 Jan 29 2014 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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http://warlordsofdraenorsource.com/how-to-pronounce-warlords-of-draenor/
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#2 Jan 31 2014 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
Being someone who knows how to say Draenor, I want to click the link. But having never seen your name here before, I will not click the link.
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#3 Jan 31 2014 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Being someone who knows how to say Draenor, I want to click the link. But having never seen your name here before, I will not click the link.

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#5 Feb 05 2014 at 4:32 AM Rating: Good
DrAnor makes no sense. DrEYnor makes much more sense based on the spelling.
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DrAnor makes no sense. DrEYnor makes much more sense based on the spelling.


Agreed. That's how I pronounce it when I say it in my head.
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And just 'cuz we talk funny in my part of the world, I've said it as Dre Nor
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DrAnor makes no sense. DrEYnor makes much more sense based on the spelling.


^^
This.

You don't use "ae" and expect people to think it is pronounced their way.

If they wanted it pronounced their way, they should have called it "Dranor". Then everybody would have been saying it right all along, just about.
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WoW typically plays fast and loose with their pronunciation of... everything.
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I don't see the problem... isn't it simply "war" as in, well, war... and "lords", as in, erm.. lords?

And seriously, if anyone thinks the ae should be pronounced AH.... /facepalm
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If you count the number of ways you'll hear "Garrosh" pronounced in game, it's pretty crazy.

And even other names, where there's no excuse, get multiple pronunciations. Different ways to say Jaina, for instance. I mean, that has a pretty obvious pronunciation.

And god forbid you get towards the less simple names...

I get that they're bringing in different people for the voices all the time*, but having a little quality control wouldn't hurt...

*I'll never forgive them for replacing Jennifer Hale as Sylvanas. Never.
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Lyrailis wrote:
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DrAnor makes no sense. DrEYnor makes much more sense based on the spelling.


^^
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*I'll never forgive them for replacing Jennifer Hale as Sylvanas. Never.


"I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite Sylvanas on the Citadel!"

Sorry... I had to.

Jennifer Hale did a simply awesome job of Commander Shepard and other roles... but honestly, IMO, I don't really see anything wrong per se with the 'new' Sylvanas. But to each their own I suppose.
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Really? I cringe every time the new Sylvanas speaks. Hale's voice was so much deeper and more resonant than the new actress. And the new actress definitely doesn't have the same skill.

Original:


Hale's Sylvanas sounds like a tortured, undead soul who is NOT going to put up with your crap.

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/shudder

It's... I mean... HOW can anyone like that?

She sounds like an irritated first grade teacher. Such aggressive pronunciation of those Ts. It's like a teenage American is playing a possibly-British-possibly-not woman in a play, but has no idea how to actually do the accent.

I'd be willing to bet money that whoever that actress is, she normally does audio books. Because her inflections sound EXACTLY like the ones you normally get there, when they are forced to over-inflect to try and ensure the reader has sufficient context with the different pacing and lack of grammar cues.

I had to stop playing the video 30 seconds in, because I couldn't take it anymore.

Replacing the original was bad enough. But the actress they replaced her with was just... awful. It's made worse by the fact that they never even made Hale an offer, or went into negotiations with her.

I just looked it up - I was wrong, it wasn't Hale who did the original voice. It was Piera Coppola, who did it throughout WCIII and in WoW, pre-Cata. There's very little info on the new actress, PJ Mattson.

[EDIT for clarification] I remember the offer bit coming out back when the change was first made, I just remembered the actress incorrectly.

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I like the newer voice move :/
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The problem with pronunciation from the spelling is that we don't know the rules. Same spelling in different languages can be pronounced totally different. Or, if it's English, then ignore how it's spelled and hope you've heard it pronounced before. ;-) English, probably especially American English, has borrowed so many words that spelling isn't always a very good indication of pronunciation. It has to be frustrating as all get-out for anyone trying to learn it as a second language. Anyway...

I've always thought of Draenor as Draynor. But, if the spelling is pronounced how it's used in English, then it should be Dreenor. As in the ae in archaeology. /shrug
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I always thought of it as Drænor. Jelly of our unique letter? Anyway, 'æ' is pronounced like the 'e' in 'best'.
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No, Maz. We all know that ae stands for ä -- as in mädchen! Geez, let a Dane into the language and they want Danegeld. Smiley: sly
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@dig:

I didn't see THAT much difference between the two. The first is slightly deeper, but the audio itself a bit less-quality. The second does hard-pronounce some syllables, sure, but I didn't see that much wrong with it. *shrugs*

I guess I'm... just not really... someone who really cares about it that much. I'm indifferent.
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I didn't see THAT much difference between the two. The first is slightly deeper, but the audio itself a bit less-quality. The second does hard-pronounce some syllables, sure, but I didn't see that much wrong with it. *shrugs*

I guess I'm... just not really... someone who really cares about it that much. I'm indifferent.


Maybe I've just sat through too many bad drama practices to have any sort of tolerance for it now. Smiley: lol
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DrAnor makes no sense. DrEYnor makes much more sense based on the spelling.


Not really. ae can stand in for a clipped 'ah' sound (the way it's used in Dranor) or a long 'e' (e.g. encyclopaedia, paedophile) or 'i' sound. Are you just pronouncing an a and then an e?
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DrAnor makes no sense. DrEYnor makes much more sense based on the spelling.


Not really. ae can stand in for a clipped 'ah' sound (the way it's used in Dranor) or a long 'e' (e.g. encyclopaedia, paedophile) or 'i' sound. Are you just pronouncing an a and then an e?


Last I checked, ped*phile/paedophile are pronounced "peh-dough-file" (peh rhyming with 'meh'). In fact, I don't think I've ever seen it spelled "paedophile" (in fact, Firefox is underlining it as an incorrect spelling) but I'm too lazy to look it up, lol.

Now, other "ae" words...

Names: Morae, Danae, etc. These are pronounced "AY" as in "play" usually.

Other words (I chose the most commonly known out of the list in the link below):

Aerodynamics (Air-o-dynamics)
Aeroplane (Air-o-plain)
Drachmae (Drak - may)
Aegis (Ay-gis, rhyming with 'play')
Maestro (can be pronounced "My-stro" or "May-stro")
Caesar (See-zar or Kais-are, the latter being the 'official' latin pronounciation)
Larvae ( Larv-ay, rhymes with "play")
Aeons (Ay-ons, rhymes with "play")

And a LOT of other words.

Source: http://www.scrabblefinder.com/contains/ae/

What I DON'T see?

Anything with "ae" that sounds like "DRAN-or".

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Actually, don't all examples of odd spelling come down to "but it is pronounced like fish"? I'm sure this is the linguistic version of "tastes like chicken".
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Actually, don't all examples of odd spelling come down to "but it is pronounced like fish"? I'm sure this is the linguistic version of "tastes like chicken".


Well, my point was is that there are *plenty* of precedents for "ae" sounding like "ay", but very few (or none) for "Draenor" to sound like "Dranor".

*shrugs*
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Smiley: lol Don't worry, it was a general comment about the oddities of pronunciation in phonic, rather than phonetic, spelling.
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Last I checked, ped*phile/paedophile are pronounced "peh-dough-file" (peh rhyming with 'meh'). In fact, I don't think I've ever seen it spelled "paedophile" (in fact, Firefox is underlining it as an incorrect spelling) but I'm too lazy to look it up, lol.


That's because you're an ignorant colonial.

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Larvae > Larv-i. Aeons > E-ons. Most of your examples would be considered incorrect outside your dialect.

In the phonetic alphabet, ae stands for a clipped 'ah' as in Dranor. Just a heads up.

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You pronounce Larvae as larvee? That's so weird. Smiley: lol

Aeons I'd pronounce as "ay-on" (a la FFX), but it's so uncommon to see that here. You just see eon.
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No, it's an i sound at the end (or eye, if you prefer).
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Hmmm, thinking about it, I think I can hear "larvi" in David Attenborough's voice in my mind. Smiley: lol
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No, it's an i sound at the end (or eye, if you prefer).


Apparently, Square-Enix voice actors disagree, because everybody in FFX says "Ay-on" in the standard NA English version.

EDIT: Quoted the wrong post. Was obviously talking about "Aeon".

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Yes, NA English. That's why I called you a colonial.
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Apparently, Square-Enix voice actors disagree, because everybody in FFX says "Ay-on" in the standard NA English version.
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Several things.

  • "ay" is meaningless as an example. For instance: is it pronounced as in "kayak" or as in "payment"
  • in Classical Latin the "ae" dipthong ('correctly' written as æ) is always pronounced as in the English word "eye";
  • Many biologists and doctors and so on (at least in the US) incorrectly pronounce æ as in "payment" to the point people think this is right. Probably this came from the Catholic Church and others' teachings of Latin pronunciation as if it were Italian.

  • I cannot fathom why one would begin to pronounce Draenor as the man in the video who rhymed it with "bran, or...". Hopefully this will not foreshadow the content.
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    Yes, NA English. That's why I called you a colonial.


    No, you called me an "ignorant" colonial, because hey, why not bring Ad Hominem attacks into this too? And last I checked, WoW is a game produced by a US company, so God Forbid someone living in the US (and not Austrailia/Britain/other places where English is spoken) disagree with the way they chose to have it pronounced/spelled?

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    ok.

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    Several things.

  • "ay" is meaningless as an example. For instance: is it pronounced as in "kayak" or as in "payment"
  • in Classical Latin the "ae" dipthong ('correctly' written as æ) is always pronounced as in the English word "eye";
  • Many biologists and doctors and so on (at least in the US) incorrectly pronounce æ as in "payment" to the point people think this is right. Probably this came from the Catholic Church and others' teachings of Latin pronunciation as if it were Italian.

  • I cannot fathom why one would begin to pronounce Draenor as the man in the video who rhymed it with "bran, or...". Hopefully this will not foreshadow the content.


    Well, at least you presented some actual concise information without Ad Hominem attacks, so hey, that's awesome.

    So, from what you say, Draenor should be "Dr-eye-nor" and not "Dran-or".

    I'm wondering, though, are you sure all English words containing "ae" are copying the Latin "æ"? Maybe they're two different things? Who knows.

    All I know is that "Dran-or" just doesn't sound right. But I'm sure that goes right along with their "DRAN-eye" that came from there. In fact, IIRC, the opening cutscene calls them "Drawn-eye".

    EDIT: Okay, it isn't the cutscene, meh. I know I heard that somewhere in-game but now I cannot remember where. Thought it was the intro, but it isn't. He says "Dran-eye".

    Edited, Feb 9th 2014 9:02pm by Lyrailis

    Edited, Feb 9th 2014 9:08pm by Lyrailis
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    Relax, guys. English isn't written in IPA or KK, and although there are quite a few places that speak something they consider English, there is no single standardized version to refer to. I have to remind my students of these points several times a year.

    We can't even agree on what to call that tomato based product that McDonald's hands out with their fries, or how to spell it, or how to say it. Why would a name from a fictional group of aliens that sound like drunken Russians be any more standardized?

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    ...and why would you expect it to be pronounced like an English word, or follow any (if there are any) English rules about pronunciation?

    Usually, assuming a word in a foreign language is pronounced according to English phonetics results in a mispronounced word...or, it just gets assimilated with the wrong pronunciation, lol.
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    I didn't see THAT much difference between the two. The first is slightly deeper, but the audio itself a bit less-quality. The second does hard-pronounce some syllables, sure, but I didn't see that much wrong with it. *shrugs*

    I guess I'm... just not really... someone who really cares about it that much. I'm indifferent.


    Maybe I've just sat through too many bad drama practices to have any sort of tolerance for it now. Smiley: lol

    I totally can relate to you on this Digg. I like the quality of the second voice track better, but her acting is definitely a bit overdone.
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    PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
    idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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    @dig:

    I didn't see THAT much difference between the two. The first is slightly deeper, but the audio itself a bit less-quality. The second does hard-pronounce some syllables, sure, but I didn't see that much wrong with it. *shrugs*

    I guess I'm... just not really... someone who really cares about it that much. I'm indifferent.


    Maybe I've just sat through too many bad drama practices to have any sort of tolerance for it now. Smiley: lol

    I totally can relate to you on this Digg. I like the quality of the second voice track better, but her acting is definitely a bit overdone.
    The second one is giving me a case of "Hey, it's that voice!", but I can't be sure where. Was she Kerrigan or something?
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    No, she was Catwoman in the DC vs.... something game.

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    Her voice reminds me of Lucy Lawless from her Xena days.
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    I called you ignorant in response to you ignorantly 'correcting' my spelling and pronunciation of a word. You're also ignorant of the ad hominem fallacy, and a million other things besides. Relax about it, that's my advice.
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    Also, our pronunciation of æ is better than your pronunciation of æ.

    Just saying. Smiley: waycool
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    Of course it is. I learned everything I need to know about how you sound by watching that Swiss Chef guy on TV. Smiley: sly
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