idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Like fem!Shep punching some grimey @#%^s who was harassing her. Most men see that as empowering. Most women see that Shepard was in a situation where she was being sexualized in the first place, because they've actually lived that situation.
Sure, but in real life, we don't usually get to punch the guy. I personally would not be remotely offended by this, and would probably enjoy it. If I could stab him, so much the better.
Can I just ask one question?
If I'm slightly turned on by teacake's comment above, does that make me sexist, or am I in the clear here? Just checking if I should feel guilty, because I'm totally turned on right now.
Not meant in a sexually harassment kind of way, by the... uh, way. Just, you know... call me.
Edit: The question was sincere, in case anyone thinks I'm just joking. I'm like 50/50 on the joke and the serious business. Curious if my jokes would be considered sexually offensive. Edited, Jan 30th 2014 7:54pm by Mazra
Telling someone you find them attractive isn't sexual harassment when the information is paid as a compliment and in an environment where it's appropriate. Telling them you think they're **** when you're their boss? Harassment. In the middle of a meeting? Harassment. Abusing some other relationship to create an opening to interject that information? Harassment. Saying it graphically, when you don't even know if they're receptive (or, god forbid, you know they don't)? Harassment.
Otherwise, you're generally in the clear.
I spent several years studying philosophy myself, and although that was for the most part thirty years ago I am known to teach related subjects from time to time...
The very nature of an argument involves defining concepts. I defined misogyny very specifically so that anyone would know what I was talking about when I used the term. It's literally impossible for me to get more transparent than that.
But, please, tell me how my definition of misogyny isn't common usage. I clarified the definition to be as clear and exact as I can, because it makes literally no sense not to
. Why would I just hope for the best that everyone was on the same page? That's absurd.
Wiki article's first two sentences:
Misogyny /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/ is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
And, again, at the end of the day, the word doesn't matter. Call the concept whatever the **** you like - that's what I'm talking about. But if you have such an adverse reaction to the word misogyny here, I'd probably recommend you do the same thing you're asking me - evaluate your stake. Why is it so important to you that we not call these situations misogynistic?
My "stake" in the argument is that I'm a gamer, and I'm a feminist. At this point, the gaming industry is quickly becoming its own distinct subject in gender studies and sociology programs, because it's one of the best examples of a misogynist industry that we have. **** and politics still eclipse it in terms of studies, but PLENTY of research is going into gaming, particularly in the wake of the social media campaigns of the last few years.
I have no further stake than the belief in equality and desire to see an industry I've actively invested part of my identity into to not
be one of the most hostile spaces for women to occupy in our culture.
If you're asking what my stake is as a feminist, not in this particular instance, then it's part the fact the belief that women are people who deserve to be treated as people, and part a belief that patriarchal definitions of gender are damaging to both sexes (which includes my own gender).
My stake in bringing this information here, specifically, is that this is a board I use regularly, with people I regularly interact with. And I have a strong interest in expelling ignorance here that I wouldn't have in other gaming-specific environments (for instance, I don't touch Kotaku comments with a ten foot pole).
This has the potential to get very tumblr, very fast. Like it hasn't already.
C'mon now, this is nothing like tumblr brand social justice. The SJ community on tumblr is primarily a fandom, and they're violent and aggressive in exactly the same ways other fandoms are. And there, the aggression typically comes from fringe areas of SJ theory (radical feminism being one I've already noted).
I've gotten plenty of angry social justice bloggers messaging me. Don't particularly care; I'm more interested in theory grounded in human experience, and not theory born out of a SJ wind tunnel. All I'm talking about here is really, really basic feminist theory. The rabbit hole goes so much deeper, but this is foundational theory for the entire discipline of gender studies.
In other news, the +1 posts were generally because it just gets too confusing to do all this within one post. Trying to figure out if I quoted the right things in the right spots/responded to everyone is making my head hurt.