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I hear ya and I don't see why that would not be an option.




True, since I said yard I would need to tell the kids to get out of, not off of. Buzzkill.

I wonder if they'll give you a "counter" or something, so it ends up more like a bank that's shared across your account?

I hope, if not, they give us a sellback option for heirlooms we purchased multiples of. Like trinkets, DW weapons, etc.

This is more than just a goldsink though. People are using JP, Crusader Seals, etc. for the heirlooms. That's a much harsher loss. Sure, you can recoup the loss with dailies... but the dailies suck.

I say as I'm currently in ICG doing the dailies.

Agreed.

The harsh environments of Storm Peaks and Icecrown are among my favorite zones in the entire game. And then this quest with the wounded soldier, which sends you around the whole world (even to A'dal) was always a highlight to me. Wrathgate is maybe the best questline in the history of WoW.

Pandaria has some fun questlines, some good questlines and a lot of beautiful landscapes. But nothing that stuck to my memories like some of the moments in Wrath.

Everything above is highly subjective, of course. ;)

I agree with all this. I'm just leveling through Northrend again, and on Alliance for the first time. It's my favorite by far. (I also like the Fjord and Grizzly Hills best, if only for the music.) So depressing when I hit 80 to have to go do crummy Cata zones, which IMO was WoW's lowest point. Maybe I'll just do 80-85 via gathering and pet battles instead.

Give it time.

Especially about the time you get to the Valley of the Four Winds; MOST of the ENTIRE zone is "small time stuff" having to do with helping random Pandas out on their farms with small-time problems. You should love that zone, then.

And then, when you're Lv90, give Sunsong Ranch and the Tillers quests a try; they are a nice addition to WoW's crafting game, even non-cooking professions.

Edited, Nov 25th 2013 4:32am by Lyrailis

There are.... far more quests than you need to get to Level 90.

I've gotten Level 90 characters by doing Jade Forest, Half of Valley/Krasarang, about half of Kun-lai, all of Townlong and barely touch Dread Wastes.

You're meant to do *either* Krasrang *or* Valley (they both reward 399 gear).

You can do both if you want the whole storyline (both zones come together and wrap up nicely at Stoneplow), but if you do you'll be way over-leveled for Kun-lai (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), but you will have a lot of "Meh I already have equal or better" when you get quest rewards.

So don't worry about running out of quests; you'll be fine. Though it does take 86 to start Valley of the Four Winds. But then getting to 86 even without quests isn't hard; there's two dungeons you can Q up for and there's Pet Battles, they work nicely too (esp with Rested). They tend to throw a LOT of XP at you to get you to 86 quick in Jade Forest, so if you didn't even get half of that zone's achievements you'll easily hit 86 in time.

I hated Valley of the Four Winds for that very reason. I agree with Digg that having some random low key quests thrown in with the epic stuff is good for not overwhelming us with the hardcore ****, but having quest after quest be about helping out farmers got boring after a while. I think I did about 25% of the quests in that zone and then moved on.

I'm really liking Dread Wastes though. The Krillax (sp?) line is really interesting.

I would work on getting exalted with them. Super awesome spoilers.

I think one of the biggest problems of Cata was how disjointed it is. It starts with the zones being physically disconnected. All the other expansion areas (Outland, Northrend, Pandaria) are connected. You have to travel through them to do stuff or get to places. That's mostly not true with Cata zones. I think this led to a real increase in people sitting in town waiting for a summons (yeah, I know people did that before, too, but it got worse in Cata, in my experience) and just not getting out into the world. It upped the traffic in the capital cities, but at the expense of everywhere else.

It's not just the physical separation, though. It felt like each Cata zone was stand alone and lacked connection to the other zones. I know there's an over-arching story, but it never felt as strong as the thread did in Outland or Northrend before it. It felt more like, okay, let's make an underwater zone...it'll be cool. Okay, let's make an Egypt-themed zone...it'll be cool. Etc. They were each okay in their own right, but lacked connection.

Then there's the return of mechanics that people no longer knew how/wanted to use...

Edited, Nov 26th 2013 10:51am by Azwing

See, I was never a fan of having such small margins of error, especially when you take a RANDOM dungeon finder and dump 5 random people into a dungeon and then expect the whole group to know exactly what to do on each boss.

Bosses like Corla and Ozruk (I think that's his name?) wiped groups again, and again, and again, and again because of how slim the margin of error was. If you failed at the mechanics, just once, there goes a group member. Oh wait, you're down a group member? Then it is going to take longer to kill the boss, more chances for the remaining people to mess up.

And of course, on Ozruk... "what's that, you say? 1.5 seconds to avoid an insta-kill attack? Here, have a lag spike at just the wrong time!"

Oh, and how about the self-healing nerfs?

Even outside of dungeons, I hated how squishy everybody was. I hated only being able to heal myself once every 20, and later 10, seconds on my Ret Paladin (or blow 30% of my mana on one heal that barely healed me for 10-15% of my max health). Druids were even worse, IIRC -- their self-heals did even less though they could cast them for free...... once every 5 combo points.

And then Blizzard thought it was an awesome idea to require everybody to do 85 dailies (6-12 per day depending on the outcome of a PvP area, even on PvE servers) to get an entry-level weapon in what was then one of the worst places to quest in, due to mob density and aforementioned self-heal nerfs. I remember a couple of the Cata patches being ridiculous with how fast mobs respawned and how you couldn't heal yourself for jack when you inevitably got in trouble.

And how about Cata crafting? "Let's make the Cloth nearly impossible to find, but yet make everything take 10-20 bolts of it.. everything should require mountains of elements that only Alchemists can make, everything worth making as a blacksmith out to be made out of something that takes 2 daily cooldowns to create unless you find a rare *** ore, and gathering leather should be akin to pulling your teeth out... oh and let's throw in some recipes that take 60 dragonscales or 60 deepsea scales, because this expansion wasn't painful enough, we gotta make it Hell on the crafters too..."

Yeah, good riddance to Cataclysm. Easily the worst expansion of WoW to date.

Sorry 'bout the ranting there, but some of my most unfun days of WoW were had during Cataclysm. I'm glad they wised up and turned things around, and made MoP so awesome in comparison.

Cata's main problem for me was that it was so freaking boring. There was nothing fresh or new about my experience at all. They redid all the low level zones but that was a cosmetic change - gathering 10 gizmos that look a little different from the last gizmos is still gathering 10 gizmos. The new zones were bland at best. Nothing about the dungeons felt interesting. I didn't raid much but what little I did do, again, just didn't grab me. Tol Barad was a worse version of Wintergrasp, the new battlegrounds were mostly annoying.

It was just more of the same, except with a much less interesting story and villain than we had in Northrend/Arthas, and after a lot of years of WoW, that just couldn't hold my attention.

Pandaria's new features may be mostly lightweight and a little silly - farming, pet battles - but they're actually new. Also I kind of like lightweight and silly. I don't care for the kind of gaming that feels like a job where I have to log in and do dailies/get upgrades/whatever or get left behind. Pandaria came along at a time when even as a casual gamer I was looking for an even more casual experience. I haven't set foot in a raid since I came back and I've still found plenty to keep me occupied (although I play a lot less than I once did).