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#77 Nov 08 2013 at 10:06 PM Rating: Good
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How does he get "teleported" back in time?


Simple.

The Bronze Dragonflight (the ones in charge of Time) are having a traitor problem (there's a huge quest-chain in the game right now).

Said Traitor is most likely the one who breaks Garrosh out of jail and sends him back in time to create this paradox/altered present that we go to, in the present.

I should have known that such a damn long questline (it takes 7 or so weeks to complete) would have such a large impact on the story.

Edited, Nov 8th 2013 11:07pm by Lyrailis
#78 Nov 08 2013 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
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How does he get "teleported" back in time?


Simple.

The Bronze Dragonflight (the ones in charge of Time) are having a traitor problem (there's a huge quest-chain in the game right now).

Said Traitor is most likely the one who breaks Garrosh out of jail and sends him back in time to create this paradox/altered present that we go to, in the present.

I should have known that such a damn long questline (it takes 7 or so weeks to complete) would have such a large impact on the story.

Edited, Nov 8th 2013 11:07pm by Lyrailis


Ah. I forget about that dragon set.
and 7 weeks? geez >.> hope they nerf that in the future. I will not be happy to return to the game and have a quest chain take 7 weeks to do -.-


Make Believe Land :p
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#79 Nov 09 2013 at 12:13 AM Rating: Good
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:
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How does he get "teleported" back in time?


Simple.

The Bronze Dragonflight (the ones in charge of Time) are having a traitor problem (there's a huge quest-chain in the game right now).

Said Traitor is most likely the one who breaks Garrosh out of jail and sends him back in time to create this paradox/altered present that we go to, in the present.

I should have known that such a damn long questline (it takes 7 or so weeks to complete) would have such a large impact on the story.

Edited, Nov 8th 2013 11:07pm by Lyrailis


Ah. I forget about that dragon set.
and 7 weeks? geez >.> hope they nerf that in the future. I will not be happy to return to the game and have a quest chain take 7 weeks to do -.-


Make Believe Land :p


Well, see, there's only seven quests, but they are weekly quests (can be done once a week).

Basically, you do a "Collect 50 Epoch Stones" (this is available once per week) and then once you turn that in, the NPC gives you a quest called "A Vision in Time" or something like that, and you get a small cutscene that leads up to the discovery of the Traitor (I've yet to see who that is).

That's why it takes 7 weeks -- you can only do 1 step of the quest in each week. Its meant to be spread out (probably because they wanted it to take until Blizzcon before they pulled the big Reveal on how this traitor breaks Garrosh out of prison.

A small consolation, though, is that each Epoch Stone quest gives you 200 Valor Points per week. lol.

Edited, Nov 9th 2013 1:14am by Lyrailis
#80 Nov 09 2013 at 6:19 AM Rating: Good
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Simple.

The Bronze Dragonflight (the ones in charge of Time) are having a traitor problem (there's a huge quest-chain in the game right now).

Said Traitor is most likely the one who breaks Garrosh out of jail and sends him back in time to create this paradox/altered present that we go to, in the present.

I should have known that such a damn long questline (it takes 7 or so weeks to complete) would have such a large impact on the story.


This would be a retcon to the lore. Bronze Dragonflight only manages the flow of time in this world (Azeroth - all the Aspects were Aspects of Azeroth). Even if they did have a traitor, they wouldn't be able to send Garrosh back in time to past!Draenor). And by the time there was any connection between the two worlds, the orcs were already tainted.

You would need a similar group on Draenor, which has never been mentioned anywhere in the lore, to do that.
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#81 Nov 09 2013 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Garrosh hijacks the Exodar and travels to a dimension where Draenor is not ****** up yet.
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#82 Nov 09 2013 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
After i got off PC last night, the same thought came to me about the dragons and Azeroth.

So while everyone is on Org raiding it, he goes to the ghost town (ship?) of an Alliance town, and somehow manages to read spacegoatsquid text manual to fly off? Dimension rip to a different time I could roll with. Marvel does it all the time in comics Smiley: lol
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#83 Nov 09 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd like to go on record with the following complaints:
- I am not interested in a Draenei expansion. At all. I love the Tunak Tunak Tun dance very much, but overall I've never been into this aliens-meet-fantasy-world thing and frankly, those squid hands are just creepy.
- I am not interested in an Outland rehash. At all. I hope I'm not expected to go farming on the Elemental Plateau. And if you reward me with just ONE bit of rainbow colored armor I am OUT, Blizz!
- I am sick of Orc villains, could we not get something else?
- Zam logged me out for what has to be the first time in 5 years, and I couldn't figure out why I couldn't rate up all the hilarious posts in this thread, and then I couldn't remember my password, and it was all confusing and upsetting.

I'd like to go on record with the following huzzahs:
- Character remodels!
- Pseudo-housing kind of sort of?
#84 Nov 09 2013 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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- Zam logged me out for what has to be the first time in 5 years, and I couldn't figure out why I couldn't rate up all the hilarious posts in this thread, and then I couldn't remember my password, and it was all confusing and upsetting.


I accidentally clicked logout the other day and I think my heart stopped. Smiley: lol

And I'd be interested in a Draenei expansion if it was an actual Burning Legion expansion. Like, take us to Argus and let us fight some Eredar and all sorts of other demons.
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#85 Nov 09 2013 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm fine with the space goat expansion and the space goat lore, it's the Orc thing that's meh for me. Yeah, let us go after some more of the big bads in the world/universe/whatever and stop re-killing their little puppets. Then again, I guess this is what happens if they plan on running this thing for many years. Perhaps they learned their lesson from killing off Arathas?

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Garrosh hijacks the Exodar and travels to a dimension where Draenor is not @#%^ed up yet.
Then Velen and Evil Velen go at it in an epic fight sequence! Smiley: nod

Dear god, please don't let it come to that...

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#86 Nov 09 2013 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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I'm fine with the space goat expansion and the space goat lore, it's the Orc thing that's meh for me. Yeah, let us go after some more of the big bads in the world/universe/whatever and stop re-killing their little puppets. Then again, I guess this is what happens if they plan on running this thing for many years. Perhaps they learned their lesson from killing off Arathas?

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Garrosh hijacks the Exodar and travels to a dimension where Draenor is not @#%^ed up yet.
Then Velen and Evil Velen go at it in an epic fight sequence! Smiley: nod

Dear god, please don't let it come to that...



Fusion Dance, and then a blackhole..and then we use blackhole that is actually a worm hole to go off to new planet. Next Expansion idea right there!
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#87 Nov 09 2013 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
Am not impressed and as confused about the time travel nonsense like everyone else.

-Garrison... glorified player housing I dont give a rats **** for. Kudos to blizz for at least turning the core idea into something actually useful (resource gathering, etc).
-"Cleave"... if done right could be cool, as I'm a fan of procs/effects/quirks in general. Wait to see how it gets implemented.
-Stats change (again?!).... Blizz STAHP !!1! Hit rating's been around forever and removing it seems to be another newb/noob "player friendly" move. *sigh* stupid.

The story thus far makes no sense to me (not a lore junkie) so Blizz will have to try harder to explain things to a point why I should emotionally care. Garrosh felt underwhelming and I wanted to be done with him altogether. Meh.
#88 Nov 09 2013 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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Am not impressed and as confused about the time travel nonsense like everyone else.

-Garrison... glorified player housing I dont give a rats **** for. Kudos to blizz for at least turning the core idea into something actually useful (resource gathering, etc).


You have any idea how many thousands of players have been begging Blizz for something like this ever since the game went live?

And the whole thing sounds like an awesome idea. A garrison for my mighty character will be a nice step up from a tiny farm in Pandaria. That way I can have a REAL house and not be bumming a bed from various inns or camping out in tents.

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-"Cleave"... if done right could be cool, as I'm a fan of procs/effects/quirks in general. Wait to see how it gets implemented.


Indeed, they said that was one potential idea.

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-Stats change (again?!).... Blizz STAHP !!1! Hit rating's been around forever and removing it seems to be another newb/noob "player friendly" move. *sigh* stupid.


Hit Rating is incredibly boring. Just like Defense Rating before it, it was a "Must get _____ before you can raid" crap. You didn't pick it because it was interesting, you picked it because you had to. Kinda like Defense Rating was for tanks. It isn't interesting, it adds nothing new to your character (oh, now you have a 0.00% chance to miss with yellows instead of a 2% chance or somecrap, oooo. That changes a lot in your playstyle, doesn't it?).

They want to get rid of these stats because they aren't interesting. Haste and Mastery are decent examples of *good* stats -- Haste affects cooldowns and resource (re)generation, which can change your rotation slightly. Mastery affects your class's mastery ability (dur, lol). Some classes benefit more from haste, some benefit more from mastery, some are close enough that you could call it a toss-up. I know when I'm derping around as a Monk, I enjoy my Energy regenerating faster, so I stack haste. I bet some monks enjoy the higher chance to get 2 brew stacks instead of 1 brew stack whenever they spend chi instead. Its a choice, and it does affect your playstyle. Also, with Paladins... you want to use your abilities slightly more often, or do you want your crusader's/templar's to hit harder with more holy damage? etc etc.

THOSE are "Decisions" to make. Getting "Hit and Exp to Cap" isn't an actual decision. It is something you "must" do and it does not change your playstyle whatsoever. I won't be shedding any tears with their removal, in fact I've always been praying that they'd see that these stats are boring and just remove them.

Will it make the game more "newb friendly"? Maybe. But then if you had to choose between Cleave and whatever else out there... maybe not.

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The story thus far makes no sense to me (not a lore junkie) so Blizz will have to try harder to explain things to a point why I should emotionally care. Garrosh felt underwhelming and I wanted to be done with him altogether. Meh.


They said that Garrosh only gets the story moving; it doesn't sound like Garrosh is going to be around very far into the expansion. It more sounds like he gets things started and then he gets knocked off right away as soon as the story starts moving so that we can focus on other, more awesome characters like Blackhand, Grommash, Durotan, Khadgar, etc.

You know, all of those names you've seen here-and-there throughout quests, and perhaps if you ever played any of the earlier Warcraft games? It will be awesome to actually meet these characters in person.

Edited, Nov 9th 2013 5:56pm by Lyrailis
#89 Nov 09 2013 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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And the whole thing sounds like an awesome idea. A garrison for my mighty character will be a nice step up from a tiny farm in Pandaria. That way I can have a REAL house and not be bumming a bed from various inns or camping out in tents.


If you think about it, it's a REALLY poor implementation of the concept though.

People want player housing. Not player housing that will last for one expac.
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#90 Nov 09 2013 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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And the whole thing sounds like an awesome idea. A garrison for my mighty character will be a nice step up from a tiny farm in Pandaria. That way I can have a REAL house and not be bumming a bed from various inns or camping out in tents.


If you think about it, it's a REALLY poor implementation of the concept though.

People want player housing. Not player housing that will last for one expac.


It's a start, though!

In MoP we had a small hut with a garden.
In WoD, we're going to have a small castle + several buildings in a settlement that's nearly the size of a town AND we are going to have sla...errr Followers.

I'll take that over what we had in Cata, WotLK, TBC, or Vanilla (which was......yes, nothing) anyday.

It doesn't matter what they do or where they stick this "housing", it is *always* going to be in "the old expansion" once a new expansion comes out unless they let you get a house in downtown Stormwind City/Orgrimmar and even then... in most of MoP, have you really been in SW or Org much? I know I haven't.

Hopefully, we can convince Blizz to give us a build-able "Portal Room" that gives us a portal to SW/Org or something so that we can use our Garrisons well past WoD and not feel penalized.

But then again, if you were that concerned about travel, you could choose the location closest to what would become the Dark Portal and use the Dark Portal to get to SW/Org fast and then do your next-expansion stuff.

And surely they'd give you an item that teleports you to your home, other than your hearthstone? We should make sure to suggest that to them, too. If they did that, then you could use your home well into the next expansion, too.

EDIT: And being able to send your followers into old raids for Transmog Gear? HELL YES.

Edited, Nov 9th 2013 6:27pm by Lyrailis
#91 Nov 09 2013 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
I totally agree with Lyr about hit rating and expertise. I didn't realize they were getting rid of that, but I think it's an awesome idea.

The idea of this expansion still needs some explaining, but thus far it's enough to get me interested enough to possibly get me to resubscribe once my school is done in Dec. I doubt I will ever be a consistent raider again like I used to, but I'm hoping I can enjoy the game on a casual basis once again.

I really hope part of the reskins are some more hair options for the older races. In particular, female trolls and tauren.
#92 Nov 09 2013 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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I really hope part of the reskins are some more hair options for the older races. In particular, female trolls and tauren.


They've confirmed new hair styles to go with the remodels.

Some clarification on the lore: Apparently we are not going back to the Draenor-that-was. Instead Garrosh will go back to that time, prevent the orcs from drinking demon blood, and cause a new timeline where the Iron Horde starts to become unified in the hopes of reopening the Dark Portal and sweeping across Azeroth. The Dark Portal on our side will turn into some kind of time-gateway, allowing us to cross over to this new timeline where Garrosh has already been for a few years from his perspective, apparently.
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#93 Nov 09 2013 at 8:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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Simple.

The Bronze Dragonflight (the ones in charge of Time) are having a traitor problem (there's a huge quest-chain in the game right now).

Said Traitor is most likely the one who breaks Garrosh out of jail and sends him back in time to create this paradox/altered present that we go to, in the present.

I should have known that such a damn long questline (it takes 7 or so weeks to complete) would have such a large impact on the story.


This would be a retcon to the lore. Bronze Dragonflight only manages the flow of time in this world (Azeroth - all the Aspects were Aspects of Azeroth). Even if they did have a traitor, they wouldn't be able to send Garrosh back in time to past!Draenor). And by the time there was any connection between the two worlds, the orcs were already tainted.

You would need a similar group on Draenor, which has never been mentioned anywhere in the lore, to do that.

I can picture the WoW writers sitting around brainstorming ideas:

"Hey, that's a great idea!"
"Yeah, we can get a lot of mileage out of that!"
"C'mon, let's flesh it out . . ."
"Wait, how are we going to slip this retcon past iddigory?"
". . . "
"Damn it! Didn't he graduate and get a job or something? Move on already!!"
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#94 Nov 09 2013 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
Do you have a link for that Fish? I'd like to see some more detail in writing from Blizz.
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Do you have a link for that Fish? I'd like to see some more detail in writing from Blizz.


No prob. I got it from MMOC, it's on their front page right now - it was answered in the WoW Q&A they just held today.

Here's a direct link to the news source, and here's the quote itself:

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Heh, there it is. Not much, I know, but the news post is in bullet points one after the other (likely answers to questions just reported on the front page).

Edit: Oh! You meant about the story. Just a sec, digging it up...

Edit2: All right, so I couldn't find a proper source on MMOC. Best I could find was this reddit post elaborating. I'll be sure to edit in a proper source should one surface, since that reddit link is just one guy talking.

That said, I feel the reddit guy has the right of it, especially since they keep telling us "this isn't a time travel expansion" and all that jazz.

Edited, Nov 9th 2013 10:10pm by IDrownFish
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#96 Nov 09 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
Yes, I meant the story. Thanks! Smiley: grin
#97 Nov 10 2013 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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I can picture the WoW writers sitting around brainstorming ideas:

"Hey, that's a great idea!"
"Yeah, we can get a lot of mileage out of that!"
"C'mon, let's flesh it out . . ."
"Wait, how are we going to slip this retcon past iddigory?"
". . . "
"Damn it! Didn't he graduate and get a job or something? Move on already!!"
Smiley: laugh

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#98 Nov 10 2013 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well Nerf NOW!! figured out how Garrosh escapes from prison.
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cynyck wrote:
I can picture the WoW writers sitting around brainstorming ideas:

"Hey, that's a great idea!"
"Yeah, we can get a lot of mileage out of that!"
"C'mon, let's flesh it out . . ."
"Wait, how are we going to slip this retcon past iddigory?"
". . . "
"Damn it! Didn't he graduate and get a job or something? Move on already!!"
Smiley: laugh

That's some sigworthy stuff there.


Ha, they should just employee me to give them a swift kick in the shins whenever a bad idea gets passed the "what about...?" stage.
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Well Nerf NOW!! figured out how Garrosh escapes from prison.


This is what happens when Blizzard nerfs bubble-hearth. People forget that hearthstones are great escape tools.
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#101 Nov 10 2013 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
If the post on reddit is anywhere near correct, then I guess it kind of works out. The Dark Portal it's self is being used as the time portal, but for players it will be just a portal to two different worlds(?) being Outland and now Draenor.

Here is how I'm taking it (until more info):
-Gorrosh escapes
-Gets a dragon from the Bronze family to help him, he changes the portal to another world (outland) to a time portal (this is where the lore issue I assume most have an issue with).
- Time Portal is like a one time thing, Gorrosh goes back in time and convinces the 12 clans to not drink the blood of Mannoroth. So before the Second Evasion in Azeroth's history.
-Begins to build mega army. Because I assume he is all rage hating ALL on Azeroth, "horde" or "alliance". I get the feel the entire planet of Azeroth is his target Smiley: laugh. In Azeroth time, this may only seem like hours or days, but Draenor side it is years.
-This is where the paradox issue comes into play. The Dark Portal now is connected to two worlds. Blown up Draenor (aka Outlands) and Draenor (what Blizz as shown us so far).
-This is I assume the expansion starts. (Older) Gorrosh returns with an army, we Azeroth beings (Horde and Alliance) fight, win, push him back and we follow him back into what we think is Outland, but instead is "new" world. Or (old) Gorrosh is being a tyrant and someone(s) come through the portal and begs for aid.
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