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#27 Dec 24 2012 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
Thank you all again for the help getting this all decided/set up. Last question... Is Curse still -the- add-on manager? I've completely forgotten all of the old things except needing to increase the amount of bars and material tracking etc...
#28 Dec 24 2012 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Dinishte wrote:
Thank you all again for the help getting this all decided/set up. Last question... Is Curse still -the- add-on manager? I've completely forgotten all of the old things except needing to increase the amount of bars and material tracking etc...


There's two main addon sites: Curse as you mentioned, and WoW-Interface. I'm not sure if there's really much difference between the two; both seem to host most of the same AddOns written by the same people. As far as AddOn Managers, I never used them myself -- I just download and install the AddOns manually.

I can give a few AddOn suggestions:

1). TitanPanel is still a good information broker AddOn. For awhile it wasn't being updated, but then someone took it over and it is now updated regularly.
2). Armory is awesome if you play lots of different characters.
3). _NPCScan and _NPCScan.Overlay is awesome if you want to see/kill rare monsters in Wrath/Cataclysm and especially Pandaria.
4). Archaeology Helper is no longer updated (it is still on 4.3) but yet it still works -- you won't find a better Archaeology AddOn. There's several YouTube videos that describe how to use it if you can't figure it out, it takes a lot of guesswork out of understanding the theodolite readings in-game.
5). GoGoMount is an awesome "Press This to Mount Random Mount" AddOn. Very customizable and works for 99% of all situations/places you can find yourself in.
6). You might want to consider the AddOn named SlashTreasure -- there are lots of lootable items in Pandaria that can be looted once every character. Many of these are grey items that vendor for 90-110g and give 190-710k XP when looted. You don't want to miss these!
7). Recount if you like to do dungeons/raids and keep track of yours/your group mates' damage/healing output.
8). Deadly Boss Mods for Dungeons/Raids

To name a few to get you started.
#29 Dec 24 2012 at 7:27 PM Rating: Default
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I knew 3-4 warriors who easily DPSed content with myself and my brother (my brother was a druid tank) all through TBC. They didn't do as much damage as I did on bosses until later in the expansion (because warriors scaled much better with gear than rogues did minus glaives),


There you go.

You admit that:

1). You (and the warrior friends you are talking about) started Endgame at the BEGINNING of TBC, thus had plenty of time to gear up through Normals when the majority of the playerbase was currently at that progression.

2). Warriors scale better with gear than rogues (and some other DPS too).

These two points were the core of my argument against TBC:

A). There was very little to no methods for "Catching Up" if you arrived late (you needed normals that few players wanted/had incentive to do)
B). Warriors' gear is a big factor (or was, then) in their damage output which compounds the problem I faced in A).

Which you just admitted to being absolutely true.

Had I arrived at Level 70 during the first few weeks to 2 months of TBC, I bet I could have gotten geared up too!

But sadly, I didn't arrive at Level 70 until the expansion was half over which is the whole point of the discussion about TBC.

You realize that you just had three people, all who have done endgame content, telling you that warriors weren't discriminated against in our groups, right?

My brother leveled a warrior at the END of TBC. He never specced prot once. He had BS leveled for the weapon, but otherwise he depended on getting groups as DPS to get gear.

His warrior attended some BT and MH raids at the end of TBC, when the guild was working on SWP and he had all of his gear from tier 6 for his druid.

Just because you found that it was hard to gear up doesn't mean that others did. My brother actually found it pretty easy, from what I recall. With an epic 2h ready at 70, he was in good condition to do DPS in normals and heroics (and after that he geared quickly because we always pugged lower content and would bring alts and new people that we had on our friends list). You could have done the same.
#30 Dec 25 2012 at 5:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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You realize that you just had three people, all who have done endgame content, telling you that warriors weren't discriminated against in our groups, right?

My brother leveled a warrior at the END of TBC. He never specced prot once. He had BS leveled for the weapon, but otherwise he depended on getting groups as DPS to get gear.

His warrior attended some BT and MH raids at the end of TBC, when the guild was working on SWP and he had all of his gear from tier 6 for his druid.

Just because you found that it was hard to gear up doesn't mean that others did. My brother actually found it pretty easy, from what I recall. With an epic 2h ready at 70, he was in good condition to do DPS in normals and heroics (and after that he geared quickly because we always pugged lower content and would bring alts and new people that we had on our friends list). You could have done the same.


Conversely, just because your brother found it easy to gear up a warrior doesn't mean that other warriors had it easy. Your brother had the benefit of the gold necessary to level BS and craft an epic weapon (I recall BS being terribly expensive to level in BC, and mining being difficult without upgraded flying). He also had the benefit of being in a raiding guild that would bring alts to old content. We're pretty much comparing a best-case scenario with a worst-case scenario. Most people had it somewhere in-between. When my friends and guild were locked-out of the daily or off-line, I know I got groups a lot faster with my warlock than I did with my druid (unless I was tanking). If we dig back far enough in the class forum, we'll find most of us old druids complaining about not getting to DPS heroics because, for most of BC, the rule for pugs was tank, heal, bring CC, or be the fat kid with glasses that no one wants on their team.
#31 Dec 25 2012 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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If we dig back far enough in the class forum, we'll find most of us old druids complaining about not getting to DPS heroics because, for most of BC, the rule for pugs was tank, heal, bring CC, or be the fat kid with glasses that no one wants on their team.


Hence one of the big motivators (maybe THE motivator) behind BTPNTC and/or Less CC needed in dungeons, and more classes getting more CCs, so that everyone can participate equally.

Picture this scenario. What if LFD existed during TBC? What happens when you get, say, a group like this for H-Shattered Halls?

Bear Tank
Priest Healer
S.Priest DPS
Arms/Fury DPS
Boomkin DPS

Guess what? You have no CC that works in that dungeon (everything in that dungeon is Humanoid with the exception of the slimes and a few demon pets). And the Fear glyphs didn't exist back then, either.

Edit: Sorry for mucho late edit, but eh, I posted way too early in the morning, derpa derpa.

Edited, Dec 25th 2012 3:21pm by Lyrailis
#32 Dec 25 2012 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
If we dig back far enough in the class forum, we'll find most of us old druids complaining about not getting to DPS heroics because, for most of BC, the rule for pugs was tank, heal, bring CC, or be the fat kid with glasses that no one wants on their team.
I guess that explains why I was always the mage with the high aggro and the big stack of bandaids. Smiley: tongue
#33 Dec 25 2012 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
Thank you so much for the add-on info and the WoW-Interface? I'll look into it. Never had that before. Glad to see Recount and BBM are still around lol.

So the out-of-date but still viable Archeology add-on is best? No good Harvest mod out there? Since we'll be fresh and she's never been a serious player, I figure we'd both start off with like... mining and herbalism to begin with before moving to smithing/gem.
#34 Dec 25 2012 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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Dinishte wrote:
Thank you so much for the add-on info and the WoW-Interface? I'll look into it. Never had that before. Glad to see Recount and BBM are still around lol.

So the out-of-date but still viable Archeology add-on is best? No good Harvest mod out there? Since we'll be fresh and she's never been a serious player, I figure we'd both start off with like... mining and herbalism to begin with before moving to smithing/gem.


the only harvest mod ive seen is "Gatherer" It gathers nodes from your guild as well as your other toon on your account.. also what that node yielded and how much and how long ago was your last visit :) There may be others out there but this one works for what i want to do in game :)
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#35 Dec 26 2012 at 6:56 AM Rating: Good
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Dinishte wrote:
Thank you so much for the add-on info and the WoW-Interface? I'll look into it. Never had that before. Glad to see Recount and BBM are still around lol.

So the out-of-date but still viable Archeology add-on is best? No good Harvest mod out there? Since we'll be fresh and she's never been a serious player, I figure we'd both start off with like... mining and herbalism to begin with before moving to smithing/gem.


Actually, Archaeology Helper WAS Updated, just a few days ago. I found that out myself yesterday, lol.

Oh, and get GatherMate2; it works Hand-in-Hand with Archaeology Helper. It keeps track of where you find things (including Archaeology Fragments) and it integrates with Archaeology Helper's HUD to show you where you've previously dug up fragments. Once you build up a good database of where fragments can spawn, Archaeology starts to get much faster and easier.

GM2 also does a good job of keeping track of Ore/Herbs, too. It also tracks things like treasure chests, dark soil, permafrost shards, netherwing eggs, etc.

Edited, Dec 26th 2012 7:57am by Lyrailis
#36 Dec 26 2012 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Dinishte wrote:
Since we'll be fresh and she's never been a serious player, I figure we'd both start off with like... mining and herbalism to begin with before moving to smithing/gem.


If you will be leveling together I'd advise against having the exact same gathering professions. If one of you picks Mining + Herbalism imo it would be better if the other one has Skinning and maybe Tailoring. The cloth drops you will get when playing as a duo should suffice for that.
#37 Dec 26 2012 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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TherealLogros wrote:
Dinishte wrote:
Since we'll be fresh and she's never been a serious player, I figure we'd both start off with like... mining and herbalism to begin with before moving to smithing/gem.


If you will be leveling together I'd advise against having the exact same gathering professions. If one of you picks Mining + Herbalism imo it would be better if the other one has Skinning and maybe Tailoring. The cloth drops you will get when playing as a duo should suffice for that.
Or even Skinning and Enchanting, to disenchant every weapon/armor reward one of you gets. Downside is you won't sell the quest rewards and therefore will be poorer for it. Upside is if either of you ever wants to do Enchanting as a primary prof, it will be easier if you have the mats than going on the AH and buying them.


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#38 Dec 26 2012 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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cynyck wrote:
TherealLogros wrote:
Dinishte wrote:
Since we'll be fresh and she's never been a serious player, I figure we'd both start off with like... mining and herbalism to begin with before moving to smithing/gem.


If you will be leveling together I'd advise against having the exact same gathering professions. If one of you picks Mining + Herbalism imo it would be better if the other one has Skinning and maybe Tailoring. The cloth drops you will get when playing as a duo should suffice for that.
Or even Skinning and Enchanting, to disenchant every weapon/armor reward one of you gets. Downside is you won't sell the quest rewards and therefore will be poorer for it. Upside is if either of you ever wants to do Enchanting as a primary prof, it will be easier if you have the mats than going on the AH and buying them.




If you decide to get enchanting, it is a very good idea to pick up tailoring with that.

Tailoring is the only profession that gathers AND produces at the same time, and cloth is fairly easy to get across all the tiers, except maybe Embersilk (and even then, if you can wait until you're 85+, you can go to Tol Barad for lots of it) and maybe Windwool.

It is very easy to level Enchanting and save your money rather than DEing all of your quest rewards.

As for gathering professions, you might want to watch the XP -- tiers/areas you get a _lot_ of XP from gathering herbs and ore. Said XP is only earned by the person performing the craft. This means that the person with the gathering profession will out-level the person without the profession.

If one of you has herbalism and the other has mining, the Herbalist will easily out-level the miner, as you find far more herbs than you do ore until Pandaria and Pre-85, you get a LOT of XP by herbing. It took a monk of mine ~1h to get from 79 + 10% to 80 just by doing herbalism in Sholazar Basin. I had about 50% rested at the time and I did not have any Enlightenment. I will admit, though, I killed 1 rare, and did 1 quest (the stone coffer). The rest was solely by herbs and the occasional aggro mob kill.

Edited, Dec 26th 2012 7:03pm by Lyrailis
#39 Dec 28 2012 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
Wow, gogo Herbalism. Thanks for the info!

I was able to recover my old account which means now I am stuck in a bit of a pickle. I used my RAF on my girlfriend's account with my new one. So now I'm hoping they will allow her to SoR my OLD account and then allow me to merge my new and old so I can keep the RAF bonus for her while gaining access to my high level chars.
Sadly, I am thinking I will need to re-buy Mists of Pandaria due to them apparently being account bound or some such thing.
Ugh. Damn you Blizzard and your incredible customer service! That'll show me to be a pessimist again lol.
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