Opinion On: Panda DailiesFollow

I would love to get a reply from his family. Nine level 90's seems so ... addictive? Especially within 2 months. Maybe some were 85's to begin with, but it still seems a bit over the top.

Get some fresh air.

Slacker. Back in the old days, I used to play about 7-8 hours a day(more on the weekends), worked a 40 hour workweek and watched a daily 3-4 hours of anime. SpoilerIf you're having trouble adding that up, you're putting too many hours under "sleep". If he's spending 3-4 hours with the family a day and severely neglecting sleep like I used to, it's easily manageable. And with the sleep deprivation, it all blends together a bit anyway, so who cares about repetition.

Still funny that the dailies are the straw that broke the camel's back, though..

I'm just glad I'm not a member of his family...

Nah, I've done tillers in as little as 12.5 minutes. That's including picking, and planting crops. Now, granted, that's when the dailies send you to the Virmen Hill, not the Hozen Village. Hozen Village, add ~5 minutes because of trying to avoid all of those stupid monkeys and still complete your objectives. Seriously, I hate that stupid hozen village and its elites running around everywhere, not to mention the overpowered non-elite monkeys that do simply way too much damage.



I've not done a _lot_ of Golden Lotus dailies, I'm not to Honored yet, but the first part + second part (they send me to that lake with the ruby eyes usually, though I got sent once to the place where you gotta knock apples out of a tree with fireworks), that usually only takes me about 20-25min. IF there's another quest hub -after- that, at Honored, then yeah it'll take a little longer.



Haven't done Shado-pan yet...



With the ridiculously powerful buffs you get in there, Klaxxi dailies tend to be quick and easy, at least they are for me depending on what buffs you choose.



It'd help if they'd fix the ridiculously small chance of getting loot from LFR, to be honest. I've heard stories of players who have done LFR every week they could and have 0-2 pieces to show for it, even after spending bonus coins.

This should not be allowed; the % chance of a drop should climb every boss until you get something and then the counter should get reset. If you get lucky, you get it early. If you don't, you are still guaranteed to get something after <3 runs.



Charms are becoming a currency, and what happens when you get exalted? You're not going to do the dailies unless you want extra gold, so later in the expansion, all factions Exalted, you'll be needing those charms for later raids.



I'm similar, though my problem is more alts. I'm not really complaining though; I'll get it when I get it. I'm not out for world firsts or anything like that. As long as I can see each raid boss die sometime during this expansion, or even just killing Garrosh this expansion, I'll be happy.



They need to come out with a happy medium, true.

In Wrath and Cataclysm -- THOU MUST GROUP OR GET NOTHING. Solo people, go home with nothing.
In MoP -- You need to do dailies if you want to spend your valor.

And to be honest, walking up to an NPC and buying a full set of current raid gear after doing enough Heroics was kinda stupid -- they're right about that. But yet gating everything behind dailies I'm not sure is the right answer, either.

So what IS the right answer, then?

Tabards for Rep? I always thought that was a stupid system -- you're suddenly best-buds with people you've never seen in person before because you wore their tabard and killed a bunch of crap in a dungeon? That never made sense to me.

They're getting closer to the right answer -- dailies SHOULD give good rewards. However, dailies shouldn't be so important to a player who wants to gear his character up, to the point that doing dungeons is nigh-useless without the dailies (especially with the hilariously bad chance at getting gear through LFR).

Edited, Nov 13th 2012 11:18am by Lyrailis

A great way to speed dailies up is just grouping with people. Just before you get the quests write something like "lfg Golden Lotus Part 1" in /1. When you have a party of 3 or 4 people it really speeds things up. Better yet, find 2 or 3 guildies that have a similar playing schedule like yourself and do the dailies together with them. Even with all the dailies that are available at revered I rarely need more than 40 minutes for all Golden Lotus dailies. Shado-Pan are a piece of cake also. IF you have a group.

Reputation gear has higher stats than dungeon drops because it is harder (not talking skill here) to acquire. Nothing wrong with that.
Also the moment you unlock Shado-Pan and Celestials you can stop doing Golden Lotus. Anglers are completely optional for gearing just like Loremasters. Tillers are not needed for gearing either.
You just have to prioritize. Do Golden Lotus (until revered) plus Klaxxi. Then after they unlock do Shado-Pan plus Celestials plus Klaxxi. Once you have those high enough for your rewards you can alternate two or three factions each day until you have all at exalted. After that you just do enough each week to get 90 Charmes and Valor Cap.

Which brings us to: Don't try to cap Valor by doing only one activity. Do some dailies. Run some HCs each week (more than one/day is not effective). There are 3 LFR you can choose from. And scenarios. As I wrote in another thread here, with a healthy mix you get to Valor cap rather easy and without repeating the same task over and over.

I would recommend grouping with guildies not only for dailies but for scenarios and HCs too. Prevents brain damage.

There. You don't miss anything and burnout is much less likely to occur.

This is why I PvP. My rep is honor, and my valor points are conquest points.

Guess what I do to earn them? PvP.

I saw the beginning of this crap in TBC, and I hated it. Rep grinds are stupid when they're for progression.

Right now I only do the Tillers and Anglers. Because they're fun and easy.

So what would you do if you had to grind up a rep to spend your conquest and honor points (I'm sure they could find an idea to make it pvp-ish)?

Deal with it? Ragequit? How would you deal with the forum dwellers who defend it to no end and tell you to suck it up? Doesn't matter though - like I said they wouldn't dare do that.

I honestly can't fathom how anyone can just accept this and say it's 'okie dokie!' I mean they have to be trolling.

Theoretically gear through VP rewards should be attained slower than from loot drops off bosses. If it's still too quick for Blizz's sensibilities they should have just lowered the weekly point cap. Instead we have... this. (imagine a disgusted look on my face)

BTW if a simple system is ok for pvp why is something similar not ok for pve? The old system (mostly) worked. The only issue appeared to be that rep gains using tabards was too lol (and that's arguable - some people preferred it and most didn't care).

PS The main (and first) issue with badges was that you were getting cutting edge pve loot from lower teir raids like Kara (which we nicknamed badgazan). '90 badges for Sunwell level gear? Sweet!'

PPS The current model isn't anywhere near any sort of goal. You have a situation where the majority of players are somewhere between 'hell no!' and 'meh even though it sucks I'll deal with it.'

What you described is triple dipping. Simple fix: take away VP from dailies and give them their own non-VP/JP based rewards. Let us spend our JP/VP without doing dailies. No tabards. There. Multiple ways of gearing up.

BTW is the LFR loot problem the same one where people want to see what they don't win? Or is it just that, unlike in a guild run where you're increasingly likely to get a drop (even if Bobby gets the sword this week, I'll get it next week), you could potentially run forever and never win anything? IMO LFR was never intended to replace normal mode raids. We need to get back to the glory days of wrathbabyism with 4 difficulty levels. It worked really well and was reflected in its popularity. Go back to that system and let LFR augment that. 10 man normals could be easy enough to pug and even the most casual of guilds could complete it. Would create less LFR loot drama.

That is a separate issue though.

One idea I had: increasing point gains similar to the buff found in ICC (and DS I guess?). The first week you get x amount of points (very small amount). The 2nd week you get more points per boss than the first week (and so on). By the end of the 'season' you'd be point saturated but that can be solved with a gold conversion and a reset. I suppose this would not only apply to vp gain but also cap. Just a rough idea.

Once you are fully 463 geared there is no reason to do dungeons if you don't do dailies. There is no 'bonus.' If you don't want to do dailies you do dungeons and then you graduate to raids. If you don't do dailies there's no point in doing dungeons. And the grind of dailies isn't to be confused with hard work. If we're going to have that conversation then LFR ought to just be removed outright.

Also the tone of your post basically implies that it's the intention of Blizzard for us to do the dailies and not skimp or ignore them - and I agree. In the past dailies have been more or less optional outside the needed enchants (in BC you needed the rep but you got that from the dungeons themselves). Now they are more or less required (unless you want to cap valor and just stare at it). Any statement made that these are optional feels like BS propaganda.

I'm not sure I see where the problem is.

If you're an ordinary raider, questing gets you close to heroics, drops in normals supplement it, you get a weapon from Proving Grounds if you didn't get one from inscription/Archaeology, etc., you burn JP to fill in the gaps, and a judicious JC trinket/alchemist stone/etc. gets you in. Heroic drops, Sha PuGs, LFR if you're lucky, maybe a piece of crafted gear - gets you in to raids. Once you're into the first tier of normal mode raids, drops bootstrap you to the next tier (ilvl is higher than the next tier's LFR, even) - and as the LP said, you can drop dungeons entirely and focus on dailies. By the time you've despaired of finally ever getting the drop you need to move up - revered with one faction at that point should certainly be possible. You only need to do 13 dailies per day to cap your coins for the week. At that rate, you are at worst revered with your favorite and working on a second by the end of a month (four lockouts). I don't see a four to six lockout gate being a heinous restriction for something that was intended to be a gap filler in the first place.

If you're seriously progression-minded - well, extraordinary measures is what you signed up for. That's why it's prestigious, because it means that you not only had the skill to close the deal but the commitment to do whatever it took to get to that point.