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#1 Sep 25 2012 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
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...who thinks the Pandaren starting zone is kind of big?
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#2 Sep 25 2012 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Also, VERY glad to see they have a Pandaren pugilist NPC named Thelonius.
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#3 Sep 25 2012 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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The fact that you can't fly til 90 makes it feel huge, I agree on that one.

8 guildies made it to 90 already today, myself I'm half way to 88 and si far I like it. Don't particularily like the vibe, I much prefer a darker theme, but all in all I'm having fun, quests are reasonably varied and the instances I've set my foot in are fun, if nothing groundbreaking. Raiding's where the money's at, we'll see how that looks soon enough.

As a side note, ore respawn rate is through the roof. I've mined enough to make 4k gold from selling some stacks and level my JC who has yet to set a foot in Pandaria to 585.
#4 Sep 25 2012 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Not the zones in Pandaria, the zones for new Pandaren characters. The island floating on the back of the giant turtle, The Wandering Isle. I started a new Pandaren monk this morning and got to level 6 and I had only explored maybe 1/3 of the island. People were saying it was taking 3 hours to get to level 12 and the quest to be able to choose your faction.

I don't remember Gilneas or Kezan taking that long.
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#5 Sep 25 2012 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
already 90s?
I was under the impression it was going to take a bit to level this time around, even for the people who raced to be World First.

And 3 hours for a starting zone.. wth . . .
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Gilneas and Kezan were fun the first couple of times, but after that it sort of dragged on for a bit too long. It felt slightly claustrophobic, being locked into a zone until a certain point in the quest progression. Same thing with the Death Knight starting area.

Being locked into a zone for three hours sounds... not fun. Maybe the first couple of times, but sometimes you just want to get to another zone right off the bat. For a different leveling experience, y'know. Especially if you're the type of player who levels a lot of characters.

The Draenei and Blood Elves could leave their starting area at level 1 if they wanted, so I don't know what's up with limiting freedom post-TBC. I prefer leveling up in the Human and Tauren starting areas because they're bright and "warm" (colors). That doesn't appear to be a problem in the Pandaren starting area, but I imagine I'd get tired of doing a three-hour grind in the same zone before being let out into the World of Warcraft.

It's starting to remind me a lot of SWTOR, and not in a good way. The locked starting areas (planets) are the main reason I can't stand leveling more characters in that game.
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I really don't like the "goofy" theme everything seems to have so far. Ran two random dungeons and the brewery is just plain silly. Far as the starter monk quests go they are neat although nowhere near as fun as the DK/Worgen IMO. Got my Monk to 12. Have played the alliance quests long enough to get my druid about 3/4 of the way through 85 so haven't really done much. Have to say I really miss flying especially with all the steep hills between quest givers and quest objectives.

Also.... I hate the monkeys...

Negative thoughts aside it may turn out ok. I do like the boss fights that I have seen so far. OF course I am a WOTLK baby as people like to call it and hated the dungeons in Cata (especialyl at launch) so being easier is good in my book.
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#8 Sep 25 2012 at 8:44 PM Rating: Good
glad to be out of the starting zone. Has a nice story, but yea..took a few hours to get out.
I didn't like not being able to join my guild until i was out, nor being able to wear my BoAs until I was out.
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I agree about the guild but what can you do with a group that is suppose to be neutral without risking people abusing the neutrality.

When it comes to questing I find that it does a good job mixing in humor with seriousness. I am just glad things have setttled down enough on Stormrage that I can quest without my toaster ******* itself. Turns out she can't handle all the spell effects of massive groups of people doing quests. Poor girl. Smiley: frown
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I agree about the guild but what can you do with a group that is suppose to be neutral without risking people abusing the neutrality.

When it comes to questing I find that it does a good job mixing in humor with seriousness. I am just glad things have setttled down enough on Stormrage that I can quest without my toaster ******* itself. Turns out she can't handle all the spell effects of massive groups of people doing quests. Poor girl. Smiley: frown


Hm. Hope you will be ok/was ok when you did/do Hellscream's battle quest. It had me with what seemed like 50 other pandas.
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I don't like missing that freaking much guild XP either.

I mean, there's ~75 quests in there... that's 4,500,000 guild XP.

That's a good 10% of a guild level (more than that I think), down the drain because we couldn't invite those pandas to the guild.

Take that times three and ****, that's a third of a guild level wasted.

Edited, Sep 26th 2012 10:00pm by Lyrailis
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I agree about the guild but what can you do with a group that is suppose to be neutral without risking people abusing the neutrality.

When it comes to questing I find that it does a good job mixing in humor with seriousness. I am just glad things have setttled down enough on Stormrage that I can quest without my toaster ******* itself. Turns out she can't handle all the spell effects of massive groups of people doing quests. Poor girl. Smiley: frown

You play WoW on a cylon?! You *******, even the toasters have feelings too!
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#13 Sep 27 2012 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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Wish I could play WoW on Eight. Smiley: sly
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Wish I could play WoW on Eight. Smiley: sly

I'd rather play WoW on Six.

...I'll be in my bunk.
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Six is pretty hot, but the scene where she snapped a baby's neck sort of killed the mood for me.
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I know what you mean, Mazra. That scene made me hungry, too.
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Yeah, I was like "Stop playing with the kid, woman! Get back in the kitchen!"
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Six is pretty hot, but the scene where she snapped a baby's neck sort of killed the mood for me.

That red dress though...

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Ignorance is bliss!
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#20 Sep 27 2012 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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Were you listening to me, BDJ, or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? Look again...



Also, we're talking about Battlestar Galactica. In the distant future (or past, I still haven't figured that one out), mankind created artificial intelligence and then waged war against it when it became too smart. The humans won, I think, and the robots (Cylons) were chased into deep space.

Battlestar Galactica takes place during the return of the Cylons. They're pretty ****** and they launch an all-out attack on the human colonies, killing everyone except a few thousand aboard various spaceships, including the decommissioned Battlestar Galactica spacecraft carrier. Anyway, the Cylons have developed the ability to create cyborgs - human/robot clones that act as sleepers. The idea is that you, the audience, doesn't know who is human and who is a Cylon wearing flesh. The cyborg models have numbers and there are eight models, implying that eight humans aboard the surviving spaceships are in fact Cylon agents (plus five more it is revealed later on). The lady you see above is model number Six. Each model has several copies, so by the time you're a couple of seasons into the show, you have no idea what's going on and who's who, unless you watch every episode. I think that's the point, by the way.

Anyway, in the pilot episode, Caprica-Six, one of the Six model cyborgs (woman in red dress), travels to one of the human colonies and observes the population. She comes across a mother out on a stroll with her baby. As the mother looks away, Six reaches into the baby carriage and kills the baby by snapping its neck. Later on the entire planet is bombed to ****, so it doesn't really matter, but still... kind of a brutal scene, especially when Six walks away while the mother screams in the background.

Can't find the clip anywhere or I'd show you.

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Love the Matrix reference.

Yeah, I never watched Battlestar Galactica. Now I want to go find the entire series on Blu-Ray or DVD and not leave my house until I've seen every episode.

I told you ignorance was bliss. I got to keep looking at the picture of Six without having to know anything about it. But now, NOW, you have ripped the veil of innocence from my eyes.

I hope you're happy with yourself, spawn of Satan.

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#22 Sep 27 2012 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I never watched Battlestar Galactica. Now I want to go find the entire series on Blu-Ray or DVD and not leave my house until I've seen every episode.


My dad bought the series on DVD. As much as I enjoy watching Six, I just keep thinking about my dad...admiring her too. Smiley: dubious
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Also, we're talking about Battlestar Galactica. In the distant future (or past, I still haven't figured that one out), mankind created artificial intelligence and then waged war against it when it became too smart. The humans won, I think, and the robots (Cylons) were chased into deep space.

It's the past. At the very end of the series, you see the angel-Baltar and angel-Six on present-day Earth (the new Earth, not the one from the Thirteenth Tribe) debating about how it's happening again after they see a news story about how they found "mitochondrial Eve's remains," who is Hera, the first Cylon/human hybrid.

Anyway BDJ, it's a great series. It's on Netflix instant streaming in the US if you have that. Careful though, it will literally suck you in. I've watched it all the way through like three times now.

Also Maz, 40 years or so before the BSG series we're talking about was the first Cylon war; the humans didn't really win, they basically reached an armistice agreement with the Cylons and the Cylons went off on their own (the humans of the Twelve Colonies gave them a section of space, hence the armistice line that is in the episode with Bulldog, the guy that W. Adama shot down when he was found across the line).

Prior to that, there isn't much known about the real Earth (the first Earth found in the series, the one that was nuked). We know that the Final Five Cylons lived there, but not much else. Probably something similar to the armistice, since they were considered the "Thirteenth Tribe."


I'm sad that no one picked up on my Firefly reference. Smiley: frown

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It's been a while since I watched BSG and I don't think I ever finished the series. As much as I like sci-fi, it started to get a little weird with the hallucinations and religious stuff.
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The BG reboot fell victim to the same problem that Chris Carter had with the X-Files. You can go for a few seasons dishing out cool stuff every week and everyone loves it, and the media/blogosphere raves about the overarching themes, plot twists, and what is and isn't a red herring. But eventually the weird $%!} hits a critical mass and people start to realize that there never was a connection between anything and that you were just making it up as you went along. And by then it's too late to even retcon everything and the final season is completely incoherent.

Same with Buffy, to a lesser degree. Jury is still out on the new Doctor Who - but that show has a "Get out of Jail Free" card, since when you write yourself into a corner, you can just have another regeneration...
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It's been a while since I watched BSG and I don't think I ever finished the series. As much as I like sci-fi, it started to get a little weird with the hallucinations and religious stuff.

I thought that was one of the best parts of the series. The realism of the characters always fascinated me (and via that, religion).
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And by then it's too late to even retcon everything and the final season is completely incoherent.


While many people criticized the ending of BSG I didn't think it was so bad. Sure there were some loose-ish ends (for example Kara Thrace) but all in all it was a satisfying experience.

@Theo: Your Firefly remark made me smile but since I didn't have anything to say at that moment other than "LOL Jayne" it would have been rather pointless.

Since we're talking Sci-Fi, are there any good shows you people can point me to? Other than BSG and Firefly I have only watched Babylon 5 and that last one more for nostalgias sake than anything other. I absolutely don't like Star Trek or Stargate so I think there is not much left, sadly.
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Since we're talking Sci-Fi, are there any good shows you people can point me to? Other than BSG and Firefly I have only watched Babylon 5 and that last one more for nostalgias sake than anything other. I absolutely don't like Star Trek or Stargate so I think there is not much left, sadly.


Farscape. Loved that show. My sister had it on DVDs, and took it with her when she moved to Maryland. Smiley: glare
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And by then it's too late to even retcon everything and the final season is completely incoherent.


While many people criticized the ending of BSG I didn't think it was so bad. Sure there were some loose-ish ends (for example Kara Thrace) but all in all it was a satisfying experience.

@Theo: Your Firefly remark made me smile but since I didn't have anything to say at that moment other than "LOL Jayne" it would have been rather pointless.

Since we're talking Sci-Fi, are there any good shows you people can point me to? Other than BSG and Firefly I have only watched Babylon 5 and that last one more for nostalgias sake than anything other. I absolutely don't like Star Trek or Stargate so I think there is not much left, sadly.

I thought the end of BSG was pretty good, frankly. A lot better than a lot of other shows I've seen.

Pretty much what I thought was that Starbuck was an angel (i.e. angel-Baltar and angel-Six) given physical form. She "died" when her viper blew up, but God created a new viper and body for her to come back in. When her job was done (helping the fleet find the new Earth), she knew her physical body would cease to exist (hence her saying to Anders "see you on the other side"). She said goodbye to Apollo and then vanished.

Thanks for recognizing my Firefly comment, btw. Too few people have seen that show.

Most of the sic-fi I watch is generally anime, since the Japanese don't have a cultural stigma against producing it and being a fan of it. Or if they do, it's not readily apparent.
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I thought the end of BSG was pretty good, frankly. A lot better than a lot of other shows I've seen.


Pretty much what I thought was that Starbuck was an angel (i.e. angel-Baltar and angel-Six) given physical form. She "died" when her viper blew up, but God created a new viper and body for her to come back in. When her job was done (helping the fleet find the new Earth), she knew her physical body would cease to exist (hence her saying to Anders "see you on the other side"). She said goodbye to Apollo and then vanished.

Thanks for recognizing my Firefly comment, btw. Too few people have seen that show.

Most of the sic-fi I watch is generally anime, since the Japanese don't have a cultural stigma against producing it and being a fan of it. Or if they do, it's not readily apparent.


That's what most of the people I know think about it too. It just reeks a bit of something they came up with in the last second because this whole Angel-theme did not seem very well connected to the rest of the story. For me that is.

I have to admit, I watched Firefly + Serenity just a few months ago because it took me a long long time to notice this jewel. The TV show is pretty amazing and the movie was even better. Really a shame what FOX pulled on that series.

I've watched Neon Genesis Evangelion and Code Geass. They are sort-of Sci-Fi but not for realz. If you could point out one or two good shows in that corner that would be very nice. Smiley: smile
[Note: While I did enjoy Code Geass, NGE was more of a nostalgia thing too, like Babylon 5. I didn't regret watching it, but it has some serious flaws.]

@Vorkosigan: Thanks!. The IMDB reviews sound pretty promising. Will definitely look into that.
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That's what most of the people I know think about it too. It just reeks a bit of something they came up with in the last second because this whole Angel-theme did not seem very well connected to the rest of the story. For me that is.

I have to admit, I watched Firefly + Serenity just a few months ago because it took me a long long time to notice this jewel. The TV show is pretty amazing and the movie was even better. Really a shame what FOX pulled on that series.

I don't know, I thought the angel theme was there from the beginning. Baltar was seeing his angel-Six if not in the first episode, then definitely in "33." Then the first we see of Caprica-Six, she's seeing angel-Baltar right after she's resurrected. And there were definite references throughout the series, like when Baltar was scared about the Olympic Carrier and Apollo shot it down.

Yeah, Firefly is one of my favorite shows for the same reason that Robert Downey Jr. is one of my favorite actors: sarcasm and quick wit.

If you haven't seen it, check out Archer (it riffs on James Bond and other spy movies). Not sic-fi at all, but it's literally one of the funniest shows I've seen.
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If you haven't seen it, check out Archer (it riffs on James Bond and other spy movies). Not sic-fi at all, but it's literally one of the funniest shows I've seen.

My nephew showed me the first episode and I was hooked from there. The entire cast is funny as **** and very adult rated humor. I mean come on, when one of the cast loves being NSFWchokedNSFW, how can you not like it?
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Thanks. :)
Might take me a bit till I start watching it, since I want to finish some other shows first, but I won't forget it.
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I was a little bummed when Blizz took the Firefly-related flavor text off the firefly pet from Zangarmarsh.
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