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#1 Aug 24 2012 at 4:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Please forgive if this has been asked before, but I'm just wondering...

In your opinion, how many is too many alts? As the expansion is about to release I have all ten slots (6 of them 85, 1 70+, 1 40+). What do you suppose is a reasonable number of alts to manage and actually focus on?

I will admit playing has fallen off and will continue to as school begins for the last time, but I'm starting to think that 6 might be a little too many (even if I focus just on 85s).

So I ask for your input and appreciate any advice you offer.
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#2 Aug 24 2012 at 6:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm an altoholic and have all 10 slots on my main server filled right now (8 85s, an 83 and a 71). I also have an 85 and a 40-something on another server. I do not raid or do dailies on all my toons though, because that's just too much. They all have maxed professions with some overlap (4 alchemists, 2 engineers, 2 enchanters) because I hate having to hunt someone down to craft me something. This might prove to be too much in MoP since some of the patterns I want most requires rep with certain factions (belt buckle, JC mounts, etc) but to answer your question, I think it varies person to person as to what is a reasonable number of alts. If you want to raid and cap your valor on every toon each week, 10 toons might be too many. If you just want them for their professions, then 10 might not be too overwhelming.
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Very true, and I am well aware that answers are not a one size fits all. I'm just trying to get a sense of where folks are.

I would love to get more into raids and such but present (guild/realm/etc) really don't lend themselves to that.

I have most (LW and BS are the exceptions) maxed.

So really, it is more for sanity's sake. I feel like I abandon toons when I don't play them for a month, but that's the way it works sometimes.

So, yeah.. just looking to start a talk amongst the folks who frequent the boards and see where they are at.
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#4 Aug 24 2012 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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More than one of each class would, in my opinion, be pointless, considering how easy it is to cycle between talent specializations these days.

I used to have a lot of alts (two or three of each class). I'd level one up to 20-ish and then delete it to make room for a new character, then change my mind and ask a GM to restore the old one. Eventually, they told me that if I ever created a ticket with the words "character" and "restore" in it again, I'd get permanently suspended. Obviously, they were just joking, but it made me realize that I should probably settle down.

Returned to my Druid (first class I ever played) and never looked back. I've played other classes, of course, but whenever one bores me, I just return to my Druid and all is well again.
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#5 Aug 24 2012 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Vanilla, TBC & most of WotLK I only had one max level toon. Cataclysm I had a 85 paladin, & then a priest, resto sham & a hunter at 85. With a Warlock & a DK at 70+. Boredom is a bad thing in an MMO Smiley: frown.

I had a fairly bad experience with a guy I raided with back in TBC, in the guild we downed T5 in and got our Hyjal/BT attunes before they got removed. He had full char slots with max level toons and didn't know how to play any of them properly. He thought it gave him some knowledge of other classes and and the authority to talk. Also my brother was fairly bad for getting alt-itis and having a number of mediocre toons & then wanting to get in at a higher level of raiding and then performing poorly and wanting to raid with another toon. When if he stuck to one toon and put the time to gear it and learn its rotation he would probably have melted face.

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Practice makes perfect. If you don't have the time to practice playing all classes, you become a jack of all trades, master of none type. It doesn't matter much if you're just a casual player, but if you're in a "world first" guild, I imagine it can be a problem.

The problem I encountered on my Druid was that I reached a ceiling where I started doing more threat than the tank. I had to hold back to avoid pulling aggro between the main tank's taunts. At the same time, ranged classes were beating me in damage done due to threat modifiers. When you're 2nd in threat and 4th in damage done, something's wrong with your class.

Having played a lot of classes since the beginning of the game has only been beneficial to me. While I might not be world first guild material (without a bit of practice), I can play any class with any talent spec and outperform most people in both PvE and PvP. "Most people" being the people you run into in PUGs, be it for dungeons, raids or Battlegrounds.

Only thing I can't do is Arenas. I lack the situational awareness and planning skills to do well in there. It reminds me too much of chess. Smiley: um
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#7 Aug 24 2012 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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I used to have a lot of alts (two or three of each class). I'd level one up to 20-ish and then delete it to make room for a new character, then change my mind and ask a GM to restore the old one. Eventually, they told me that if I ever created a ticket with the words "character" and "restore" in it again, I'd get permanently suspended. Obviously, they were just joking, but it made me realize that I should probably settle down.


Maz, that is freaking hilarious. Smiley: lol
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#8 Aug 25 2012 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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zestra wrote:
So really, it is more for sanity's sake. I feel like I abandon toons when I don't play them for a month, but that's the way it works sometimes.


I definitely abandon mine from time to time too. The level 83 I mentioned above is my warlock. I leveled her to 80 a week before Cataclysm came out and other than leveling her alchemy in Cata (transmute master, used her for truegold and stuff), I didn't touch her until two weeks ago when I played with a template warlock on the MoP beta and loved it. So I decided I would get her to 85, because she might actually get played in this expansion. I have a bad habit of hitting max level on an alt, doing heroics/LFR with them for a week or two and then never touching them again. But I like variety and options, so I'm glad I have all those toons (except 2 druids - one of them will be deleted in MoP, just have to find out if I will lose the mount that one has after they go accountwide, before I decide which one to get rid of).
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IMO unless you have/devote huge amounts of time to the game, if you are at least semi-serious about progress, you can only have one, perhaps two "real" toons. I'm talking about normal, progression, raids, not 12 months after the release of the last raid and at the end of an expansion. Perhaps LFR, even with its many, ok just one - people, shortcomings could make room for a further toon,

This is coming from my own experience and I'm sure more hardcore players will disagree, but on a five-day a week raiding schedule you're already putting at least 18 hours a week into the raid. Add your HC runs, LFR and of course the dailies and you are looking at about 35 or so hours at least (more at the beginning of an expansion). Every week. Now I imagine you won't be doing dailies on your alts (I mostly do, just fewer of them, on my "active" alts) and with the VP and JP changes to alts coming up in MoP you could shorten that to 25 hours a week per extra alt at level cap with all relevant professions maxxed (to me, cooking and fishing are relevant on your main as you need them to contribute/deliver fishing feasts). From there, it's up to the player, I guess.

Of course, top guilds will mostly skip HCs I suspect as they will be getting epic gear way faster and thus have no need to blast into HC territory, though they will still want to experience/see the instances and with the introduction of Challenge modes they might even be doing said HCs more come MoP.

Me? I had 8 80s at the end of Wotlk, but only raided on three, and only really raided on one. I've mostly skipped Cata and now I'm simply leveling said alts to 85, and two more toons I've rolled, at a leisurely pace. Come MoP I'll focus on my main and take it from there I guess.

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 10:18am by LGarth
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I am not in a "top" guild or even a "hardcore" one, but we are serious about progression and we don't have a five day raiding schedule. We raid 3 nights a week, for 3.5 hours each night, which leaves plenty of time to work on alts, considering heroics (I've never understood shortening heroic to HC btw) are worthless pretty quick, once raiding is able to being you to the weekly VP cap, or at least close.

Anyway, again it's something that varies widely from person to person, but I doubt most people on these forums are in hardcore, 5 nights a week raiding guilds, so most of your advice is pointless.
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50 slots full.
10 85's on my main Ally server.
1 85 Horde on another.
Most of the other 39 are somewhere between 10 & 70.

I really enjoyed exploring all the various classes and most specs within those all the way through to endgame; 9 of those 11 are 372+ and have done LFRs, though I've only done my real raiding on my Shammy for Cata. It was nice, but ultimately kind of pointless (even within the parameters of this being WoW) and quite expensive gold-wise. A lot of gems/enchants were purchased for toons who ultimately really had no need for them other than to just see how I could do.

I'm really considering with MoP trimming that all down and just focusing on maybe a couple toons if I can. Just not sure which ones til I see how all the changes play out.
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Doubt x most = negative assertion.

I guess I'm so sorry my opinion isn't as invaluable as yours. Smiley: oyvey The fact that you raid 3 nights a week obviously qualifies you better than me to both have an opinion and give advice (the later of course, nowhere present in my own post).
#13 Aug 28 2012 at 1:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Someone let me know when this argument breaks into uncomfortable, sloppy makeouts. Smiley: sly

On the main topic, I've always a main and a primary alt. In Vanilla and TBC, my main was Poldaran(the mage) and the primary alt was Alexandrine(twink 10-19 flag carrier turned 20-29 godly healadin turned emergency backup healer when people didn't show up to raids). It WotLK, it was Poldaran(still a mage) and Azmaria(DK who I sometimes tanked raids and often tanked instances with). During both of those, there were periods of time where I was raiding 7 nights a week while working a 40 hour a week job and still playing an additional 4 hours a day. If you're having trouble adding that up, you're probably factoring in too much time for sleep. In Cata, I haven't really raided, but Poldaran and Azmaria have kept their roles, though I added in leveling up a warrior(Eadric) to play with some friends. Through all of it, I've kept 3-4 alts I play relatively often.

In my opinion, the only time you truly have too many alts is when your characters aren't pulling their own weight in group activities(especially guild raids and regular group PvP) because you aren't spending enough time to keep them in good shape.
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Make-up sex? Anyone? No? Okay. Smiley: frown

LGarth wrote:
IMO unless you have/devote huge amounts of time to the game, if you are at least semi-serious about progress, you can only have one, perhaps two "real" toons.
LGarth wrote:
This is coming from my own experience and I'm sure more hardcore players will disagree, but on a five-day a week raiding schedule you're already putting at least 18 hours a week into the raid.


LGarth, if you're devoting 3.5 hours times five days (~18 hours) a week to raiding, I'd say you're more than semi-serious about progression.

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I don't raid any more Mazra XD, I used to raid but these days I'm struggling to find a way to raid one day a week and still push some content. When I did raid, yeah, I raided 5 days a week. We were nowhere close to world-class material, but we did put a lot of hours and it was a blast.

The idea, just to recap, is to IMO decide what it is you want to do with your toons and make a weekly-hour estimate. I personally have always treated alts as alts, no need for achievements, mounts or vanity pets, just to push into moderately current content (not HC modes, yes to normal raids) and experience the game from another perspective, mostly away from the bosses groin where tanks (my main) spend most of their time.

So it's just a matter of simple math. I imagine with "serious" alts you'll do (Raids + Dailies + Challenge modes) x No of toons in hours (admittedly with a bit of factoring)

Peronally, in MoP I want to do 5 hours of dailies/ challenge modes/ LFR / HCs + 4 hours of raiding a week once I hit 90, but I think I'll find it hard to actually be able to get this done and eventually I'll either up my playtime to 12 hours (two raiding days a week), just on my main, or quit again.
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LGarth wrote:
The idea, just to recap, is to IMO decide what it is you want to do with your toons and make a weekly-hour estimate.


There it is. The only answer to the OP's question that makes any @#%^ing sense in this thread.

How many alts you need depends entirely on what you want to do in the game. End of story. Thread closed. Where's my beer?
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zestra wrote:

In your opinion, how many is too many alts? As the expansion is about to release I have all ten slots (6 of them 85, 1 70+, 1 40+). What do you suppose is a reasonable number of alts to manage and actually focus on?


He already did state his goals. The part "focus on" is the one that varies from player to player I guess.
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That's what I said. Smiley: glare

Stop splitting hairs, I'm not drunk enough yet.
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That's what I said. Smiley: glare

Stop splitting hairs, I'm not drunk enough yet.


You've only got yourself to blame for that. Bars have been open for hours. And I'm sure you have a fridge for a reason.
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Well, I'm working on it, goddammit, but I'm also trying to play Ghost Recon 2 and it's getting mighty difficult the more I keep drinking! I turned off motion blur, but it's still blurry as all hell.
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Mazra wrote:
Obviously, they were just joking, but it made me realize that I should probably settle down.




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In order for me to make a new character on my main account I have to delete one.
I have 4 accounts. At the moment only one active.
I have approx. 10-20 characters that I would consider an "alt" on my main account, and about 10 or so amongst the other 3 accounts when they are active.
Most of my main account's alts are between L.70 and 85, with most of them being 80+.
I have 10 characters on Area 52 Horde-side... 2-3 of them are 85, one is like 70 (my priest, I believe), and the rest are 80+.
I believe my Area 52 alts have all of the professions maxed, and some professions I have on multiple alts (mining, herbalism, etc).

When I played regularly I didn't have to to raid, because I was always leveling someone. I am in a raiding guild, I guess you could say.. but it isn't a strictly raiding guild. The members can level up alts in it and there are some, like me, who do not raid at all.... the guild leaders just like me. =P

I don't play that much since last November, because of life stuffeses... but I am ready to stick my toes into the water again, but this time with a little more self control in regards to the amount of time spent on the game.

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PentUpAnger wrote:
In order for me to make a new character on my main account I have to delete one.


I saw in another post that you've been away from the game for a bit, so I don't know how much you've been following news and all that. But as of today with patch 5.0.4 they finally gave us an extra character slot, so now you can have 11 per server.
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In order for me to make a new character on my main account I have to delete one.


I saw in another post that you've been away from the game for a bit, so I don't know how much you've been following news and all that. But as of today with patch 5.0.4 they finally gave us an extra character slot, so now you can have 11 per server.


Yep. I already have a L.80 rogue sitting on a different account to move onto my Area 52 realm, but I am going to wait to make sure I have the money I need for the MoP CE I have preordered before reactivating the other account and paying for an account transfer.

Does the 11th slot mean that Blizzard upped the 50 characters per account limit? Or is it still just 50 characters? If it is still 50 characters per account then I will still need to delete one to make one.
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PentUpAnger wrote:

Does the 11th slot mean that Blizzard upped the 50 characters per account limit? Or is it still just 50 characters? If it is still 50 characters per account then I will still need to delete one to make one.


50 characters total per account, still. You can have (in MoP) up to 11 per realm.
.... Or do we get 11 now, after the patch? Didn't think to check.
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The 11th slot is already added. :) I had to log in to check the other day before I mentioned it. lol
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