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From a blue post announcing the change:



I have to agree with them, I never did like the "you have to grind rep with X because you need Y enchant" system. A common complaint about Cata was that it seemed to cut down on players' choices and the developers seem to be trying to change that. I haven't been following the various faction changes closely, but it seems like it could be interesting.

Now, about this whole wand as a main hand slot ... Spoilerwhen can we get dual wield?

I didn't dismiss anything. I actually said that I think the issues that were raised are valid. I just don't like the solution Blizzard presents to us.



Is it my job to solve this problem now? I don't know exactly how to solve this and never stated otherwise. Rename the items for this slot so they make more sense for each class. Something with an on-use ability maybe (like some Trinkets)? I read in several articles on WoWInsider that people want more of these. As stated I have no perfect formula for this.
Blizzard developers have proven time and again that they can be pretty crafty when it comes to elegant game design. Why shouldn't I expect better than this removal? Also, when they announced headenchants would be removed MANY people suggested valid alternative solutions but Blizzard didn't listen to any of them. And yes, that's lazy design in my opinion.
In case of the Relicslot I think they could do better but chose not to. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they spent alot of time trying other things and none worked. But I don't really think so.

And no, I didn't insinuate that anyone who disagrees with me is lazy and lame. That's you putting words in my mouth (again).

And please stop with this whole entitlement-argument. Everyone who wants anything changed or not changed in this game wants this because it would improve his/her playing experience. When the Relic/Wand/etc slot goes, yes, I will be sad to see it gone but I can live with it. I won't throw a tantrum. But saying that I would have liked another solution is entitlement? By trying to devaluate my opinion with this stuff you are not setting the bar for discussion high.



I agreed with many things Lyr and Criminy said. I disagreed with other things that were said. I didn't misinterpret anything, at least not intentionally. Plus I don't think that in any of my posts I have been near as condescending as you managed to be in each post you adressed to me in this topic.

I have no intention of answering to anything on this subject in the future. If you insist on misinterpreting my posts this way, fine, that's your prerogative. After a bit it gets tiresome to repeat that I don't value myself/my opinion higher than others in this matter.

For completeness sake lets add in using the mongoose enchant and farming lvl 70 marks for the relic.

They could have kept the caster shield there, but added a shield for tanks as well. I hate using off-hand items on my Paladin and Shaman. It's just an aesthetic thing since a shield won't matter much in PvE, but I just don't like looking at my Shaman without a shield on.

The problem with loot tables and RNG is that the latter is a cruel mistress. If the chance of looting an item isn't 100% then there's always the risk that it won't drop for you. It can have a 99.9% drop chance and some poor sod still won't see it drop. And when it does finally drop, it'll be on another character.

That poor sod is me.

Hunters are still the only class that has no self-heals (save a very small one that Marksmen get, and Beast Mastery's weak HoT.. what is that, 2% every 5 seconds?), little to no mitigation whatsoever (play dead doesn't work very well from what I've seen) and their pets have no way of keeping you off of them. [Edit: Note, this is based upon Pre-MoP knowledge of the class; I've not studied their MoP talent trees yet.]

Meanwhile, the minimum range was a pretty crippling handicap, that made hunters fairly weak in PvP unless they had plenty of friends to keep people distracted. Anytime I got up in a hunter's face, he was blowing everything he had to deal with me and his DPS went into the dirt, boom, just like that.

This is something hunters have been needing now, for a long time.

Also, there are solo PvE quests that plain got annoying because you're on a small ledge, in a small cave/tunnel/whatever and there's no room for you to get your pet to tank the thing AND get far enough away from it to shoot. There were some quests I remember having to melee mobs because I didn't have enough room to properly fight them with ranged.

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 1:52pm by Lyrailis

Hunters do best when they've got friends to keep everyone else distracted. Afterall when you've got paladins and death knights and healers running around nearby, you're not likely to notice that one guy standing 30+ feet away turning you into swiss cheese, are you?

In Arena, though, there's a lot less people and hunters are a lot more noticeable.

Now, with Cooldowns they can do OK, but what happens when those cooldowns are done? They go down fast.



Indeed, one of the reasons I'm not all too broken up over it.

And besides, it is necessary -- if we remove Raptor Strike and melee weapons from hunters, then they can't melee unless they punch with their bare hands.