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MoP should offer a great deal more than just monks and the PandaREN.

Personally I'm not much into the farming stuff but pet battles, challenges and scenarios all sound nice and I really like some of the other additions, like the Black Market Auction House.

I really don't get the hate for the pet battles. WoW already has a lot of minigames, especially since the Darkmoon Faire overhaul. Nobody complains about them. Sure some people don't like them and thus don't do them. But why this irrational BLAAAARGH POKEMON?

It just adds to the diversity of the game for the people who are into it. Everbody else loses nothing. So why complain?

I'm not playing any MMO right now either. I play D3 a little bit, but not very much. I don't have a lot of hope that I'll be back for MoP, just because I have so many other things going on in my life right now, but you never know.

So out of the 5 or 6 of you that post on Allakhazam.com WoW forums regularly, the majority of you don't actually play the game anymore? That's quite interesting!

I play quite regularly, as it has been for a majority of my life, video games are my choice for entertainment. I picked the MMO genre 12 years ago, and WoW has been the one I've played for the past 8 years for a majority of the time. I still play other games, Civilization, The Sims, Minecraft, Elder Scrolls. I don't haver the play schedule like I use to. Now 36 years old, with a wife, baby and career, I do what I can when I can. But as I said, it's just enterttainment, something to do in my downtime.

Currently enjoying the beta, and exploring the new features before they get finely tuned and improved on for the final product. Monk is a hoot. My new favorite class.

Edited, Jul 1st 2012 3:30pm by Magilicotti

I don't think it's irrational. You summon undersized, seemingly harmless pets to fight battles for you. I think the comparison is pretty rational, especially considering Blizzard's flirt with pop culture and Pokémon being pop culture.



I don't know why people would complain about more content. Judging by the ratedowns, I take it more than one person thought I was complaining. They might want to brush up on their lurking as they'd know I'm not an opponent of more content. Sure, the rolling eyes smiley indicates a certain amount of animosity towards it, but I chose that smiley because it's the closest thing we've got to playful sarcasm without entering creepyland -->

I find it interesting that people would so easily jump to conclusions and utilize the karma system. Blatant ratedowns tell me that some of the proponents of this feature feel powerless in this debate. A wrong signal to send, don't you think? My post wasn't uninformative or unhelpful. It contained what could be construed as my personal opinion on a matter, but hardly something worthy of red arrows.

I've said it before and I'll say it again (since I'm already knee-deep in "don't talk about karma"), the karma system is meant to filter out unwanted posts, not show your disapproval of a post. If you disapprove, tell the person so that a debate can begin and both parties can benefit from the learning experience.

"Be tolerant of everything except intolerance."
- Some Danish professor you don't know

Being able to accept someone's opinion and in return offer your own opinion is what we here call being cultivated and educated. The quote is a paradox, though. Be tolerant of everything, but not intolerance. You'd have to be intolerant of your own intolerance, which is divide by zero and ****.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2012 12:25am by Mazra

Ah, the karma rating system. I wasn't going to bring it up, but, thanks to Maz for doing so. Lawd knows I've ranted once or twice in my day here on Allakhazam forums, simply because my opinion became an unpopular one. I have always viewed the karma system as a way to help regulate spam, or otherwise harmful posts. As others would explain, a way to police the forum ourselves.

But is it really used this way? Now take the newly departed posts of RAWDEAL. He had a way of pissing in the cheerios of many a threads here and ruffled a few feathers in the process. The ones where he would go off on posters, berating them as +1'er trolls is why I thought the karma system was here. But most of the time, it's just an unpopular opinion expressed, as Mazra has just demonstrated, that get's a barrage of red arrows and the result is exactly how Maz reacted. "It's my opinion, like or lump it, and it deserves to be expressed, debated and discussed."

And does the karma bombing a post to sub default truly work? Do any of you have the filter on to actually hide sub defaulted posts? Could the karma system here on these forums, which is something you don't generally see in forums today, be a part of the reason you see a very few number in subscribed members of this forum?

I don't know. There are some people here that are red (me included) that have way less knowledge of the game than some of the blue and green folks. What you stated afterwards about personality may have the biggest impact on that but Theo or DrownedFish (just for example) always struck me as very competent. And while they both liked to flame or spam sometimes they always answered genuine questions with some helpful advice. If the question was stupid or born of lazyness on the other hand... ;)

While this helps keeping the atmosphere nice most of the time I think knowledge and expertise should have a greater impact than how it is now. I would be not red then most likely but oh well.

Edit: grammar

Edited, Jul 2nd 2012 4:19am by TherealLogros

I dunno, I've never been able to take a system in which Pold is not a guru seriously. Pold is, like, the McGyver of mages. Pold could build a mage with nothing but a spammer, a cup of pudding, and a paper clip.

Mmm hmm, mm hmmm, something like that. Knowledgeable people come in all colors, and color shouldn't be construed to infer anything about the quality of the opinion, or something. I think. It all makes sense in the head.

Where's coffee?

I suspect that there's a segment of the population that sees pet battles as a symptom of the game becoming ever less hardcore. Since including something which distracts from "doing 5-mans to get everyone the key to 15-mans where you get the gear for 20-mans to farm resistance gear for 40-mans where if anyone makes a single mistake it's a wipe and everyone has to corpse run all the way back from the one graveyard in the entire zone so we can spend the next fifteen minutes individually applying buffs to all 40 people and hurry up because we only have another hour before the flasks we spent an entire day collecting rare herb spawns for will run out" is just catering to casuals.

Same people who complain about the inclusion of a comic relief character in Diablo 3 not because he's a bad character (and he is kind of irritating) but because they want their doom and gloom to be completely unmitigated.

Be interesting to see how many of them never get the title for the top-level challenge dungeon achievement.

I did my best to not phrase my response in a way that might make it look like I was accusing you, or anyone else. Nothing good comes out of jumping to conclusions.



I think people use the comparison because Pokémon in general is seen as something childish, or at the least immature, which seems to be the opinion of the MoP expansion from the hater camp. I won't be the judge of whether or not Pokémon is for children, I merely brought it up because someone mentioned that monks and pandas were the prominent features in the new expansion, which is what the opponents are using as ammunition in the various WoW forums I've visited, not to mention YouTube.

Take this golden nugget from the official MoP trailer, for instance:





I think the smiley fits better here.

I'm just getting over deQuervain's Tendonits. Not sure if it was Skyrim or Mass Effect that caused it, but I started taking 5-6 Ibuprofen every 4 to 6 hours based upon my self diagnosis and self prescribing. By the way, that much Ibuprofen is not recommended unless you have the body size to dilute it, or the lack of brains to know better. Both of which I have.

I'm back playing WoW after a year away, and boy is it ever frustrating. I did some dailies on my Pally in Prot spec and then my friend asked me to do a random heroic. I lost the group on the first trash fight and could not figure out why my heals were so pathetic. Whoops, still in Prot spec. I also suffered the indignity, for the first time actually, of having my group break up because the healer "must be asleep." That definitely hurt. I blame it on a year away and iLevel of 351 equipped.

I don't fall in the category of regular poster not playing, but I've been lurking around in the dark corners for a while. And now I'm playing again.