MoP and PVPFollow

I like a good hotpot with duck's blood, but it might not be to your taste. PVP is like that for me. Some like a PVP environment, but it doesn't interest me and so I've had mixed feelings about references to MoP trying to promote world PVP. For those of you who might not have seen this, there is finally a bit of news about what MoP will offer for PVP.

I have mixed feelings about some of the news. For example, it is nice that they are now able to start tweaking things to adjust for differences between PVP and PVE realms (adjusting the level and spawn rate of guards). On the other hand, I am less pleased about seeing world PVP given as an excuse for revisiting the worn out new expansion flight license.

Azeroth and the History of Flight:

Vanilla: "Why can these guys at the FP sell me a ride, but I can't learn to fly the darned thing myself?"

TBC: "Hey! I can fly! Why can't I fly back in Azeroth? Those guys at the FP aren't having any trouble."

WotLK: "Erm, OK, I get it. This is a horrible, cold place. I can fly now? Great! Why can't I figure out how to fly in the rest of Azeroth?"

Cata: "Doh! You mean I forgot to get a flight license? Have some gold! We're good now? Almost? What do you mean this thing isn't valid in Darkmoon Faire or Firelands?"

MoP: "What do you mean about 'cultural sensitivity'? You're afraid my gryphon is going to do what when flying over a temple? Look, Adal didn't have any problems with that! This is a shakedown, isn't it?"

<Rhode puts his coffee down and tries to stop frothing.>

Back to world PVP and MoP!

Perhaps the most interesting comments for me were those about how changes in technology have let them begin to make distinctions between PVP and PVE realms and how they're looking at making leveling zones cross realm. If they're starting to implement distinctions between PVP and PVE realms and to do more cross realm grouping, maybe one day they'll take the step of further differentiating PVP and PVE play. I'm not holding my breath, but it is nice to think that this could reduce some of the friction caused by trying to balance classes across different playing styles.

Really, try the duck's blood, you might like it! On the other hand, I'll continue to leave PVP to those who like it.

Don't forget the elite mobs and more blasted elevators. I hate elevators and I'd rather see rare mobs than elite quest mobs that have lousy drops.



They probably won't even have to do that much with Archaeology. I know that my alts that are dinging 85 now still have a good number of Cata quests to finish (those will remain green for at least several levels into MoP), plus there will be dailies and DMF profession quests.

On the other hand, leveling that way will not open the various MoP dailies and apparently there are a ton of them. Some are long grinds like that for one of the mounts. The good news is that they're dropping some of the older mechanics, like having to do rep grinds for head enchants. [If I recall, one of the things Inscription will get to compensate for the glyph changes is that they will be able to do shoulder enchants. I'm not sure, however, if that is confirmed.]

The whole "getting people back into the world" thing still seems a bit risky. Kind of like that whole "instituting triage healing" or "making dungeons harder" things they tried last expansion. It could easily backfire on them if not done carefully. People really do go for engaging content, and if there are lots of intriguing reasons to explore the world I imagine you'll see people doing it. If it ends up feeling like you're just flying around to get to different quest hubs; I'm not sure that's going pass as compelling game play, and it'll feel like a terrible chore on alts.

Also,



That sounds like fun.

Only if it's those rocket launchers from that one quest in the Twilight Highlands.

Thinking about it, I'm not so sure I like the dismount thingy. Most of my PVP encounters outside of battlegrounds have been along the lines of "Get flagged(usually by accident), get jumped by someone when I'm weak or outnumbered, manage to escape, fly away". Gonna be a lot harder to escape with that.

...Hence why I said "Glad I play on a PvE realm". I don't have to deal with it unless I flag myself (very rare).

As to the range, well..

Nothing stopping a mage or a priest from flying up to you, dismounting, tagging you with it, then using their slow-falling spell to avoid damage. Paladins could also do so with their bubble.

The only way they'd get around this, is to make it non-instant, but how well would that really work, trying to catch someone with 280-310% flying speed with a casted "spell"?

RE:Parachutes: Yes, perhaps they could give us parachutes. I wish they'd give us parachutes on all forms of mid-air dismounting. Can't count the number of times I dismounted in midair for various stupid reasons, like terrain bugs (Refuge Pointe, Arathi Highlands...), or accidentally hitting "Y" instead of "U" (I have "Y" bound to GoGo Mount, and U to check reputation), or accidentally brushing a number key and it dismounts me when it attempts to cast the "spell".

In all of these cases, a parachute would be nice for all situations in which you're dismounted from a flying mount. Engineers might complain, but hey -- their parachutes would still be your only saving grace if you *fall* without being on a flying mount (unless the said engineer was a mage, priest, or paladin that is),

But anyways, if they don't give us parachutes, then I see lots of room for abuse. But, since I play on a PvE realm... I don't have to worry about it very much.

Not just a cheap death in PvP, I've died because of terrain bugs (don't you just love it when you die because of stupid bugs? its annoying, seriously) and other things mentioned above.

Heck there was this one time I almost died for no reason; I had just used the Vial of the Sands, and I let a party member ride, I took off and then all of the sudden a few seconds later... "WHOOSH!" next thing I know I'm falling and I hit the ground with 20% left... for no reason. I didn't touch anything except movement keys.

Druid flight form could be treated differently than normal flying mounts; the flight form isn't even considered a mount (you can take it while moving/falling whereas you cannot a mount) by some in-game rules anyways.

*shrugs*

Why would they enable players to dismount each other? I mean, why?

Being able to choose whether or not to participate in a fight is crucial to having fun. They removed dazing's dismount effect for a reason. Because riding through a pack of gnolls and getting dismounted from a daze is @#%^ing annoying. Getting dismounted by some tryhard ganker is going to suck ***.

Especially if the tryhard is a Panda.

It's only going to lead to more of this.

Edited, Jun 8th 2012 7:12pm by Mazra

Eh...

#1: They did not remove dazing = dismounting (at least, not in Live. Maybe they did in MoP Beta and I missed the memo?). If you're a Tank, you cannot get dazed because your chance to get dazed is equal to the chance to receive a critical hit. Since Tanks cannot receive critical hits normally, a tank cannot be dazed, thus a tank cannot be dismounted by mobs. Awhile back, they DID reduce the chance you can be dazed by low-level mobs, though.

#2: They DID, however, remove dismounting from knockback spells because druids just loved morphing into boomkin and throwing that wave at people to dismount them.

Now, given #2 how they thought people dismounting other people by the use of knockback spells was too cheap (and I agree!), I fail to see why they'd allow a dismounting item/spell Now.

And again, I think it is too cheap even for PvP realms. I mean, come on... "bam, watch the guy fall to his death"? What kind of "PvP" is that? Here I thought PvP is where two (or more!) players fight it out using their spells/abilities/etc against each other. Watching someone die to terrain (and suffer durability loss!!) doesn't sound like PvP to me.

Edited, Jun 8th 2012 9:13pm by Lyrailis

Edited, Jun 8th 2012 9:17pm by Lyrailis

I'd have to say that we're agreed on that.

Sure, sure, people being able to click a button and fly away from you in 3 seconds is annoying, but to be honest, they'd have to remove durability damage from dying if you fall to your death on PvP realms or something, because this could easily be used as a form of griefing, especially once the later tier armors come out.

I'd think after the 2nd or 3rd death I got because I fell to my death because of someone with a dismounto-gun, I'd either transfer off the server or just quit altogether, because that crap would get plenty expensive after awhile. Heck, a full set of honor gear costs what per death again? 25+ gold? In Cataclysm? What will it be in MoP? 35?

I really do hope they link pvp servers so that the questing zones aren't so empty.

I LOVE world PvP, but it's almost dead on my server.

I recently leveled a rogue from 1-85 and saw a toon from the other faction exactly twice the whole time (I killed one and the other one flew away before I got close enough to attack them).

The game is way moe fun if you actually get to do some fighting sometimes.

Finally, jesus. Took them what, 4 years?

Now all we need is to be able to PvP around actual game objectives, such as neutral quest hubs, rather than artificial, open-air battlegrounds that no-one cares about. You know, actual world PvP.



So when you were picking servers, why did you pick PvP, where you are perma-flagged and thus unable to do just this thing, rather than PvE, which has a flagging system designed solely to allow you to choose when to fight?

My favorite is the you-just-finished-a-battleground-so-now-you're-flagged-for-the-next-5-minutes thingy. Not so bad at 85, but the whole level 30-something zoning back in got me smooshed a few times when I was questing. Especially around holidays, or back when archeology was the new fun thing. Won't complain about a 5-min max timer on corpse camping, but it was one of those things I kind of wondered why they never did a work-around on.