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#1 May 14 2012 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi guys, I was a wow player for a long time in the distant past. Recently i've been playing through Warcraft 3 and i'm now going through the Frozen Throne missions. As i had never played any of the RTS games before i started WoW i had no reference point of the story that was taking place in the world, now after playing W3 i've become interested in the story and would like to follow it through from the end of TFT.

Basically what i'm looking for is whether it is still (ever was) possible to follow the story arc from W3, i know after so much time an many expansions this may not not be possible.

Thanks in advance for your help.
#2 May 14 2012 at 4:16 AM Rating: Good
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Short answer: yes.

Long answer: a decent number of quests will reference events from WC3, though since the Cataclysm expansion included a revamp of low-level zones there's some odd time travel. As a result...

levels 1-60: dealing with the Cataclysm and the return of Deathwing, who is from WC2 so you may not have heard of him. The naga show up in a few places, particularly a little Darkshore. There are also references to the Old Gods, who you see briefly in the Frozen Throne undead campaign. Nothing major from a WC3 perspective, though.

Levels 60-70: You go back through the dark portal to the Orc homeworld. Quests here deal heavily with Illidan and Kael'thas, as well as the Burning Legion in general. There's also some stuff with the Orcs and Thrall's attempts to contact the ones who stayed behind uncorrupted.

Levels 70-80: Arthas is a big threat now. You storm Northrend to take care of him. Quests deal with him and the undead both under him and Sylvanis. Also some more Old God issues.

Levels 80-85: back to the Cataclysm. Hyjal is open and being healed by the druids, and Vash'ir deals with Naga history and plans (but sadly cut short of a full resolution due to development priorities). Other stuff is interesting, but not directly related to WC3.
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#3 May 14 2012 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Great, thanks for the info :)
I played mostly at the lvl 1-60 range first time round and quit not long after BC and i had a couple of 70's so i've seen a lot of the old content, but would be nice to have it in context. i then lvled to 80 with a DK and have been back through the 1-60 zones post cata but again as i knew nothing of the back story i guess i missed lots. especially since i always used to just skip the quest text.

I feel an urge to once again (5th time?) come out of retirement and do that which i swore never to do again.... resub!
#4 May 14 2012 at 5:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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In some places, continuity has been wrecked. In others, it's fine. It hit Horde harder than Alliance, imo. Actually, if you care, I wouldn't even play Horde until I had cleared through NR, because you want to understand who Garrosh is, imo.

For instance, I do NOT recommend leveling a Forsaken character until you have cleared Northrend. Just don't do it. Their lore was grounded in their feud with the Scourge. So leveling up warring with Humans and Worgen is just going to be confusing, particularly when the plot elements require an understanding of Northrend lore. Plus, you'd spend so much time as a Hordie in Northrend dealing with the Forsaken campaign, it just doesn't make sense to spoil all of that.

But Night Elves? Continuity is even better now, barring slight time travel issues. In Vanilla, Malfurion had just mysteriously disappeared and you were living on this new tree and dealing with the loss of your immortality. That was really the extent of the story. Now, all you need to know, is that in the time between TFT and now, Malfurion had been lost in the Emerald Nightmare (which happened in the books anyway) because of an old enemy (from the War of the Ancients), but was being kept in the dream by the betrayal of then-Archdruid whatshisname.

Now Malfurion is out and the NEs are very actively countering Deathwing, Naga, Corruption, and Orcs. So, really, just where we left off + dragons. Biggest difference is that losing Thrall as Warchief vastly sped up deforestation under Garrosh--half of their most verdant woods are now gone.

So, really, their continuity is fine, since their plot was only loosely based on the earlier games (they didn't have loose plot threads to play with, beyond Illidan/Maiev).

Let's see... Human campaigns were similar--no real cliff hangers. Jaina is no longer the head of the Alliance. Well, she might be, but Varian Wrynn's political clout is so much higher than it really drowns her out. She also calls him "her King" at some point, which makes absolutely no sense at all (Jaina was born in Lordaeron, not Stormwind, and then became and Archmage of Dalaran, a completely sovereign city, and then founded her own nation state). Humans are back to warring with the Orcs, because the peace from the final bonus campaign of TFT died before Vanilla. All you really need to know is that the war has really escalated with Varian and Garrosh as the faction heads. Though, while I don't like Varian at all, he's significantly less blameworthy here than Garrosh is.

I'm missing a faction. Ummm... Oh. Duh. Orcs.

Yeah, no, Orcs have changed a ridiculous amount. Which is why I'd recommend leveling Alliance through Northrend before you go Horde. Thrall is out--he resigned as Warchief and a new (as of BC) character is in. The Orcs have, since that change in command, become vastly more militaristic. Though it's not all since that--the increasingly large-scale war efforts due to Illidan and then the Scourge had an influence, too. And Cairne Bloodhoof is dead, for reasons best left undiscovered until after Northrend. And Grom's story... well... Outland picks that back up and then carries in through NR and then into the new areas.

You'll really want, imo, to see the state of Orcs in both Outland and Northrend before you go to the modern day Orcs. You obviously don't have to, but I think you'd enjoy it a lot more if you are playing to see the story. You can really just start playing the Alliance stuff without batting an eye, but the Horde campaign will be like reading a book from the middle before later going back to the start.
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#5 May 14 2012 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
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I clearly missed making lore posts. Good thing this one didn't give me the desire to come back. Smiley: lol
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#6 May 14 2012 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Awesome info, thanks!
I was alliance first time round and never quite felt at home with horde when i returned to join new friends playing, so i think subbing for a month and playing an ally through northrend will be the way forward before making an undead chara to see whats going on with their story.

I'm just at the start of the alliance campaign in TFT now so i still have some more W3 story to uncover then i'll decide whether i go human or NE, my first chara was NE druid so i might take a trip down memory lane and go NE again.

Cheers :)
#7 May 14 2012 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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Small point of contention:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
(Jaina was born in Lordaeron, not Stormwind, and then became and Archmage of Dalaran, a completely sovereign city, and then founded her own nation state).
Wasn't she born in Kul Tiras? Would make sense since her dad was Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.
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Small point of contention:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
(Jaina was born in Lordaeron, not Stormwind, and then became and Archmage of Dalaran, a completely sovereign city, and then founded her own nation state).
Wasn't she born in Kul Tiras? Would make sense since her dad was Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras.


That's true. I think she just spent a fair bit of time in Lordaeron. She was relatively young when she went to Dalaran, iirc.
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