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#1 Dec 21 2011 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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So **** off if you don't like it write your own :)


I decided to take the above advice and write my own guide to getting that 10k dps...




~ 1. Gem/enchant/reforge your gear (if you can't afford the higher end gems, get lower end gems temporarily to get something in there - EJ, many other forum threads, and guildmates can help you here).

~ 2. Learn the most recommended spec and rotation for your class and spec (EJ, many other forum threads, and guildmates can help you here. Additionally - Noxxic is also another site that can help)

~ 3. Don't be stupid. Stop standing in that crap on the ground causing you to die. You may be standing in stuff you can't see clearly, but are obviously taking damage. The addon GTFO is your friend.

~ 4. Go pick up easy solo-obtainable upgrades that are just waiting for you to walk up to the NPCs and take them (Thrall's Cape, nice pieces of gear the first day of the Molton Front dailies, etc).

~ 5. DPS while important is secondary to group survival. If you lose dps to do some CC or other utility role that is perfectly right and proper.

~ 6. Don't expect to get healed. If you do it's a bonus, but the healer is there to keep the tank up and as many others as possible. If you take significant damage then you're probably doing something wrong.

~ 7. L2Play

~ 8. ???

~ 9. Profit!



Feel free to correct or add more! =D

ETA - All additions =)

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 3:18pm by xNocturnalSunx
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#2 Dec 21 2011 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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xNocturnalSunx wrote:
5. ???


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#3 Dec 21 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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7). Go pick up easy solo-obtainable upgrades that are just waiting for you to walk up to the NPCs and take them. Thrall's Cape. A 365 Ring from First day of MF, etc.

Not expecting everyone to grind out for 3 months doing MF, but the very first day gives everyone a Ring, and Strength Plate-Wearers get Boots, Necklace and a Ring. Even Plate DPS; a reforged I-365 tank item is way better than that 318-333 junk you were wearing.

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 11:03am by Lyrailis
#4 Dec 21 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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3. Don't be stupid. Stop standing in that crap on the ground causing you to die. Obviously, you're taking damage.


Suggested revision: You may be standing in stuff you can't see clearly. The addon GTFO is your friend.
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#5 Dec 21 2011 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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I found Noxxic very simple for advice on rotations, stat priorities etc. I've never seen it mentioned here which either means I made a decent find or its all horribly wrong.

Anyways it helped me Smiley: smile

I would add to the new guide :-

8. DPS while important is secondary to group survival. If you lose dps to do some CC or other utility role that is perfectly right and proper.
9. Don't expect to get healed. If you do its a bonus. But the healer is there to keep the tank up and as many others as possible. If you take significant damage then you're probably doing something wrong.
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#6 Dec 21 2011 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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This thread is AWESOME.
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#7 Dec 21 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Don't see any difference to the other thread.







I keed, I keed. Well done.


Contains the right amount of information to not overwhelm but help a long way in improving the readers play.
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#8 Dec 21 2011 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Don't see any difference to the other thread.







I keed, I keed. Well done.


Contains the right amount of information to not overwhelm but help a long way in improving the readers play.


I think the only real difference is that I don't overexaggerate with capitalized words and random cussing. =P
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#9 Dec 21 2011 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Useful info, thanks. Question, though, from a guy who is trying to play without constantly looking up spoiler threads/sites (I know - RTFM - but that's what I told other folks.

What is "MF" ?
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#10 Dec 21 2011 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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You can always ask your guild for help. Just be polite and listen to suggestions. I've found that guilds tend to know their members and usually want you to improve without sacrificing the fun factor. They usually wont make you go from Spec A to Spec B because it's the best, they'll just suggest how you improve Spec A and what to look into.

Be respectful.
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#11 Dec 21 2011 at 1:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ollamnh wrote:
What is "MF" ?


Molten Front.

It's a solo questline that you can start once you get to the level cap. I won't spoil it or anything, but there's some decent rewards at various stages. The gear is weaker than what you can acquire in dungeons/raids/etc, but still it's a nice place to start. As was mentioned you can unlock the first of the rewards the first day with a bit over an hour of work.
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What is "MF" ?

In this context it's "Molten Front". It's a daily quest hub in Mount Hyjal. At 85 there should be a quest at the quest board in a major city leading you there.
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#13 Dec 21 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not expecting everyone to grind out for 3 months doing MF, but the very first day gives everyone a Ring, and Strength Plate-Wearers get Boots, Necklace and a Ring. Even Plate DPS; a reforged I-365 tank item is way better than that 318-333 junk you were wearing.


You got that backwards dude, it gives everyone a necklace. I don't know anything about a ring.

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 1:10pm by PigtailsOfDoom
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:

Not expecting everyone to grind out for 3 months doing MF, but the very first day gives everyone a Ring, and Strength Plate-Wearers get Boots, Necklace and a Ring. Even Plate DPS; a reforged I-365 tank item is way better than that 318-333 junk you were wearing.


You got that backwards dude, it gives everyone a necklace. I don't know anything about a ring.

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 1:10pm by PigtailsOfDoom


Nope no rings.... lol

365-Finger-Melee-Meteorite Ring

365-Finger-Physical DPS-Band of Glittering Lights

365-Finger-Melee-Moon Blessed Band

365-Finger-Spell DPS-Spirit Fragment Band

365-Finger-Tank-Nemesis Shell Band

365-Finger-Tank-Lylagar Horn Ring
#15 Dec 21 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Read the post again little one, we're talking about the rewards you get on the first day.
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#16 Dec 21 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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My shaman grabbed a ring really quick for the enhance spec. IIRC, this.

(Really I only remembered because I was wishing they gave a caster ring instead. My resto spec already had better neck, but was using a ilvl300 green ring). Smiley: frown

From this dude I think.

Edit: link fail, woot! Smiley: grin

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 12:55pm by someproteinguy
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#17 Dec 21 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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First day unlocks

STR Necklace
AGI Ring
Caster Necklace
Plate Tank Boots


All the other vendors require 125 Marks to unlock. Obviously not something you have access to on the first day.



Edited, Dec 21st 2011 4:15pm by xinaskin
#18 Dec 21 2011 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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First day unlocks

STR Ring
AGI Ring
Caster Necklace
Plate Tank Boots


All the other vendors require 125 Marks to unlock. Obviously not something you have access to on the first day.

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 3:52pm by xinaskin



I'm pretty sure what you have down as the Strength ring is a neckpiece =P
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#19 Dec 21 2011 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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Except your "STR Ring" is a necklace Smiley: smile

and unless I have it seriously wrong you have to get both the druids and the wardens onside before you get new vendors. That is more than 125 marks

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 3:59pm by Cobra101
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On second thought I think your'e right about the amount of marks it takes to unlock the vendors.

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 4:24pm by xinaskin
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The abbreviated version:

Equip armor and weapons, hit stuff and don't stand in fire.

Follow those simple rules and I guarantee that you'll almost always not suck 100% of the time.

I think. Smiley: um

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 12:24am by Mazra
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Cobra101 wrote:
Except your "STR Ring" is a necklace Smiley: smile


Now THAT is what they mean by "pencil neck"!
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#23 Dec 22 2011 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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If you cannot do over 10k dps I guarantee it has 10x more to do with your rotation than your gear.

I have played almost every class at 85 so far and for most of them 10k dps was feasible before they ever hit a heroic.

I don't understand why people get so upset when characters show up for random dungeons in pvp gear. The only role that cannot function in pvp gear in heroics is the tank and ferals can pull that off. I have grouped with healers who kept the group alive every fight in full pvp and dps that do over 20k in full pvp. Even with the loss of a secondary stat to resil the new crafted pvp gear is still going to outperform older drops from heroics and you can get hit capped for heroics by just adding in a hit trinket.

I have had some failures who were in a full set of pvp gear but I don't blame the fail on their pvp gear.

Now raiding is another issue. I don't like to see characters in PvP gear in my raids. While there are times in heroics where that dps doing 1% more dps or a healer getting off 1 more heal would have prevented a wipe it's not a big a deal to me as wiping a 5-10 minute raid fight when the boss has under 1% left.
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xinaskin wrote:
If you cannot do over 10k dps I guarantee it has 10x more to do with your rotation than your gear.



My Spriest is wearing quest gear + Blue PVP stuff. It's the gear.

IMO - everyone else is being a massive "Richard" by showing up to my tank run in PVP gear and/or wearing practically worthless off-spec gear... So why shouldn't I do it too.


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#25 Dec 22 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll admit I have not played a priest, shaman, or warlock at 85. I have played everything else and with a few exceptions all of the chars I played were doing between 8-12k dps when they first hit a normal heroic.

The original thread was about doing less than 10k dps in HoT heroics. If you have the gear to do a HoT heroic and you can't do 10k dps it's not your gear. Any dps spec with 350+ilvl gear is capable of doing 10k dps.


And I still don't understand why people get butthurt about chars in pvp gear. My DK for example is 390+ in his pvp gear. I can show up wearing it and a hit trinket and do 25k dps for the group or I could put on all of his ilvl 365 pve gear and do 20k. Which would you prefer. Am I really being a "richard" by showing up in gear that allows me to do my role better than what I could have if I showed up in the approved gear. Wearing my pvp gear allows me to do my job better while collecting upgrades for his pve set.

I know it's kinda frustrating that as a tank you can't fake your ilvl and get away with it like heals and dps. But you get insta queues, and free mounts, pets, and potions.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 11:31am by xinaskin
#26 Dec 22 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
Yup, when Cata first came out and I was getting my druid through heroics as boomkin, I struggled to hit 8k dps. As I got geared up, and was in full 346 with the odd 359 rep epic, I was able to do about 12k I think. Gear definitely has a big impact, but rotation has something to do with it as well.
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