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#1 Dec 08 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Just a little heads up to those just joining WoW, or people wanting to do what I did:

One of the reasons why I wasn't too distraught over not being able to cancel my pre-ordered hard copies from Gamestop was because I wanted a full, fresh re-install of the game to get rid of all of those old, extra files and save some HDD space and to clean out the pref folders (I keep getting pref bugs like Buffs consolidating when I tell them not to, Auto-Loot turning itself off randomly, etc).

A figured that a good clean-out and re-install would fix some of these issues, or at the very least, 'blow the cobwebs out' so to speak.

After popping the DVD in the computer, and sitting through ~45 minutes of installing, it finally gets done.

I boot the game up and it has to download the launcher. Meh, that's to be expected, I thought.

Then it....

Wants to download SEVEN GIGS of stuff.

Seriously, Blizz? You couldn't have given us two DVDs so that we got a full install with no downloading? That's not exactly the best way to entice new players to join the game; have them install half of the game and download the other half (all 7 GB of it) before they can even log in?

That's a heck of a lot of bandwidth being used up and nowadays more ISPs are putting limits and caps on bandwidth usage. Anyone who has a limit isn't going to want to spend 7GB of that on downloading something that should have already come pre-packaged with the game.

Granted, if you have a 1MB+ connection you might be able to start playing the game early, but eh. Not everyone lives in a city. Broadband is getting more common, but if you live away from urban areas, you probably only have, say 300k/sec or so and trying to download while playing creates all sorts of lag that makes the experience plain undesirable. And then there are people with multiple computers in the household, etc, etc.

So anyone planning on doing what I did, or planning on joining WoW, might want to ask a friend to hook a flashdrive up to their computer or something and just copy the whole stinkin' folder. That only takes 20 minutes or so to copy, instead of 45min install + 7GB download.

Edit: Luckily for me, I was smart enough to merely rename the old World of Warcraft folder to create a backup and was easily able to restore that backup and install just Cata. I preserved the "new" copy by renaming it, I might work on that 7GB here and there on my own time.

Edited, Dec 8th 2010 9:52am by Lyrailis
#2 Dec 08 2010 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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Repairing the game, or just plain old deleting the WTF and Cache directories (or whatever they're called these days) would have had the effect you were looking for.

I agree with you though - if I bought the newest version of the game on DVD, I would be shocked at having to download 7GB. You're right - a lot of people have limited bandwidth, and limited transfer allowance. 7GB can take a very long time on some connections, or use up your whole month's transfer allowance.

Hell - I have 50GB/mo and 16 mbit over fibre optic and I would still hate having to do that if I bought the discs...

On another note - how big is the whole WoW directory if you just want to straight copy it these days? I should really back mine up to my backup drive.
#3 Dec 08 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Jordster wrote:

Repairing the game, or just plain old deleting the WTF and Cache directories (or whatever they're called these days) would have had the effect you were looking for.


The prefs are inside of WTF, then?

I wanted to nuke all preferences, old patch files, cache, and re-do the addons folder.

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I agree with you though - if I bought the newest version of the game on DVD, I would be shocked at having to download 7GB. You're right - a lot of people have limited bandwidth, and limited transfer allowance. 7GB can take a very long time on some connections, or use up your whole month's transfer allowance.

Hell - I have 50GB/mo and 16 mbit over fibre optic and I would still hate having to do that if I bought the discs...

On another note - how big is the whole WoW directory if you just want to straight copy it these days? I should really back mine up to my backup drive.


Mine is 20GB but I have lots old patches. I installed ~8GB worth of data and the game wants to DL ~7.

The full install told me it'd take up ~14GB IIRC, so.... I'd say 15GB to account for addons and give a little extra space. Also, the Win7 version seems to need 500MB more for some odd reason. Maybe because it was Win7 64-bit vs WinXP 32-bit?
#4 Dec 08 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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What's odd is that my install is sitting at 25.7 gigs. Not that I mind it taking up that much space, it just concerns me that it does.
#5 Dec 08 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Lyrailis wrote:
Jordster wrote:

Repairing the game, or just plain old deleting the WTF and Cache directories (or whatever they're called these days) would have had the effect you were looking for.



Back in the day, the two folders with user data and cache were WTF and WTB. I think WTB became Cache, and WTF still exists. I am on my laptop at work so I can't check. Of course there is also the AddOns folder.

Best way to do it is to just rename the folders (I.e. change WTF into WTF_OLD) and load WoW. WoW will automatically create new folders and create the necessary files.
#6 Dec 08 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have a quick question. I am hoping I am not the only one. Whenever I read something about the "WTF folder" I can't help but call it the "what the F@&%" folder in my head. Is there anyone out there that has the same problem?
#7 Dec 08 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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I have a quick question. I am hoping I am not the only one. Whenever I read something about the "WTF folder" I can't help but call it the "what the F@&%" folder in my head. Is there anyone out there that has the same problem?

Don't know that I call it a problem, but yeah I do that too.
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#8 Dec 08 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I live with a USB cell modem at home (rural location; no DSL or cable availability) and can't run the WoW downloader at work due to our firewall. I had to spend days camped out at my local SBUX to get the Cata content downloaded, spread over a few weeks. I almost quit playing over that. I can certainly understand how upset one would be after buying the boxed DVD, only to face about the same download as somebody who bought the download edition.

I seem to be getting better ping times lately than I recall getting in the past. While it seems more likely to be due to something at my end (i.e., maybe they've put in a new cell tower that's giving me a better signal), I wonder if Bliz has dome something to the protocol that is helpful to us low-bandwidth users?
#9 Dec 08 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
Would this problem occur if you installed vanilla and the previous expansions first? I can't see why there is a need to download 7gb of patches. If it was that big why not just put it on 2 dvds and increase the price by $5-10?
#10 Dec 08 2010 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
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Would this problem occur if you installed vanilla and the previous expansions first? I can't see why there is a need to download 7gb of patches. If it was that big why not just put it on 2 dvds and increase the price by $5-10?


I doubt it; Patch 4.0 re-did the entire file structure and how data is stored in the game. Remember that huge 5GB download that didn't really change all that much except 'behind the curtains'?

Installing anything 3.x or prior would not likely help you, I'd think.
#11 Dec 09 2010 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Anytime I install wow I do it with all the install discs, which is alot for me. I have 5 for vanilla, 4 for BC, 1 for LK, and now 1 for cata. My Vanilla and BC are cd's not DVD's so that is part of it. Still beats downloading all day. If you install with all the discs there is little downloading, at least as of this post.
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#12 Dec 09 2010 at 11:47 PM Rating: Default
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Are the people that are downloading large amounts people who didn't play for a while before launch?
#13 Dec 10 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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jaysgsl wrote:
Are the people that are downloading large amounts people who didn't play for a while before launch?


Some of us are re-installing the game on new comps after launch.. or some people just bought the game Freshly.

Imagine that .....
#14 Dec 10 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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fronglo wrote:
Anytime I install wow I do it with all the install discs, which is alot for me. I have 5 for vanilla, 4 for BC, 1 for LK, and now 1 for cata. My Vanilla and BC are cd's not DVD's so that is part of it. Still beats downloading all day. If you install with all the discs there is little downloading, at least as of this post.


You can skip the CDs altogether though as the WotLK DvD has all of the files for Vanilla and BC on it.
#15 Dec 10 2010 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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It had been a year since I last played WoW and had uninstalled it somewheres along the line, so I needed to do a fresh install to start up with Cataclysm. It of course resulted in the laughable situation described above by the OP. I guess that's why Cata only costs $40 instead of $50 like past expansions - the game data provided in the retail copy is incomplete it seems. Or a lot of it is out of date, either way the Cata retail product is a joke. Normally I would expect some minor patching with any new MMO release, but 18 hours downloading 6.8gb? Lol ... I just have to laugh, because if I didn't, I would cry.
#16 Dec 10 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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This is why I bought the digital download.

For most games I would want the disk to make re-installation a breeze, if necessary. But in the case of an MMO, you're just going to have to download a gigantic patch anyway. May as well do it all at once.
#17 Dec 10 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Default
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Lyrailis wrote:
jaysgsl wrote:
Are the people that are downloading large amounts people who didn't play for a while before launch?


Some of us are re-installing the game on new comps after launch.. or some people just bought the game Freshly.

Imagine that .....

Then there you have your answer. The discs were pressed months ago, the data on them is very out of date.
It's not unusual at all for a modern game to have patches on launch day because of how old the discs are when they get to you.
#18 Dec 10 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Then there you have your answer. The discs were pressed months ago, the data on them is very out of date.
It's not unusual at all for a modern game to have patches on launch day because of how old the discs are when they get to you.


Errr, nope.

Blizzard didn't suddenly add 7GB worth of stuff over the course of a couple months.

200MB? Sure. 300MB? Eh, I could believe it.

7GB!? Hell. no.

The reason you have to download 7GB is because the game's total data is about 15GB and they didn't want to have to package 2 DVDs.
#19 Dec 10 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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They did redo the entire original world.
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#20 Dec 10 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
They did redo the entire original world.


I understand that, but they had 99% of all of this stuff completed and done months ago, when they started Beta.

I was just replying to Jaysgsl saying that the 7GB is updated stuff you're downloading since they pressed the DVDs.

I'm saying that they did not change 7GB worth of stuff since they made the Cataclysm DVDs.
#21 Dec 10 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just a curiosity: did anyone actually compare the data from the CD versus that added after the download? Or is this all just bickering over anecdotal speculative stuffs?
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someproteinguy wrote:
...is this all just bickering over anecdotal speculative stuffs?


We're still on the internet, so yes ;)
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someproteinguy wrote:

...is this all just bickering over anecdotal speculative stuffs?



We're still on the internet, so yes ;)


Well in that case...

Smiley: popcorn

Edited, Dec 10th 2010 2:55pm by someproteinguy
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#25 Dec 11 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
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Lyrailis wrote:
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Then there you have your answer. The discs were pressed months ago, the data on them is very out of date.
It's not unusual at all for a modern game to have patches on launch day because of how old the discs are when they get to you.


Errr, nope.

Blizzard didn't suddenly add 7GB worth of stuff over the course of a couple months.

200MB? Sure. 300MB? Eh, I could believe it.

7GB!? Hell. no.

The reason you have to download 7GB is because the game's total data is about 15GB and they didn't want to have to package 2 DVDs.

Dude, you think you know but you don't.
There were at LEAST 2 5+GB patches nearer to the end of beta, which was the last few months.
Tons of data do indeed get patched in.
Or are you assuming that you're downloading something that doesn't exist or some crap like that?
#26 Dec 11 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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I love leeching the internet at school for 4mb+/sec, makes downloading easy.
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